Oh, don't you worry, I don't feel forced to throw "hot topics" in my comics just to appeal to the "edgy" crowd.
Edgy is a hipster word for 'people who care about something enough to not make a joke of it'. And none of the above is a 'hot topic', unless you live in an episode of Leave it to Beaver.
If good writing tailored to a modern crowd and I can identify with it is edgy, then I'm okay with being edgy.
Edgy is a hipster word for 'people who care about something enough to not make a joke of it'. And none of the above is a 'hot topic', unless you live in an episode of Leave it to Beaver.
If good writing tailored to a modern crowd and I can identify with it is edgy, then I'm okay with being edgy.
To me, edgy often looks like you're trying too hard to shoehorn hot topics into something just for the shock factor.
Anyway, none of that stuff really belongs in the comedy-heavy setting I'm writing for. (Except, one of the things you mentioned does make an appearance. Oooh I'm edgy!)
To me, edgy often looks like you're trying too hard to shoehorn hot topics into something just for the shock factor.
Anyway, none of that stuff really belongs in the comedy-heavy setting I'm writing for. (Except, one of the things you mentioned does make an appearance. Oooh I'm edgy!)
For all the decent Sonic and Biker Mice shows there were as many if not more Mortal Kombats and Street Fighter on the USA Network.
Hardly changes that CO is below both.
The game doesn't have "cool" factor. Don't need to be all serious and grimdark, but at least could be cool.
Though it can't be said that CO never tried to change its image. There are some parts in adventure packs. But it's a futile effort anyway, since everything like that will clash terribly with the rest of the game and then will be finished by graphics style, which is definitely dated and uncool (and not comic-booky at all) despite being made on a not-so-old graphic engine.
There is no way, however, to check how detrimental is CO stylisation to its failure as a popular game. There is no comparable game similar enough but with different look and feel to compare what is more popular.
For all the decent Sonic and Biker Mice shows there were as many if not more Mortal Kombats and Street Fighter on the USA Network.
*Throws a handful of Cap'n Crunch on the fire.*
Wait, there was a Mortal Kombat cartoon? That game was the reason the ESRB became a thing, there was a HUGE outcry among parents about kids playing this game. And Street Fighter... I've seen the box for the anime movie... it had a show, too?
Like, call me weird, but I had GI Joe, Transformers, Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man, WildCATs... and I don't remember Mortal Kombat (and considering how much I loved that game like every other 13 year old kid at the time, I'm surprised I didn't.)
I know Robocop had a cartoon, as did Rambo... and it's hilarious that two of the ultra-violent movies of the 80's were watered down for kids.
I liked COPS, too. Not the reality show, the cartoon. Fighting crime, in a future time...
And Street Fighter... I've seen the box for the anime movie... it had a show, too?
Street Fighter animes are actually better than live movie*.
No deeper thoughts, mature characters, kicking, bashing and smashing each other. As deep as you can expect from this franchise, but then, Rambo also isn't popular because it's a deep movie. :biggrin:
*) - Not that's an achievement, to be better than Street Fighter The Movie.
You know, of all the things that would do well with a reboot...
Sure, reboot it, give it to Sony, strip it of everything that made COPS COPS, replace all the characters with young dudes and dudettes, make their characters slightly - very slightly - resemble the original characters, strip the story out of it, replace with a formula that the 25 - 35 demographic will respond well to, release a toy line targeted at the demographic's children, and YES! COPS reboot is PERFECT!
Aired very shortly and soon cancelled. Terrible hogwash, I think it was as bad as The Highlander cartoon.
Street Fighter animes are actually better than live movie*.
No deeper thoughts, mature characters, kicking, bashing and smashing each other. As deep as you can expect from this franchise, but then, Rambo also isn't popular because it's a deep movie. :biggrin:
*) - Not that's an achievement, to be better than Street Fighter The Movie.
Shut up! The Streetfighter movie gave us Tuesday, Beholding Satan!, Change the channel! and Bison Dollars.
Greatest bad movie ever.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Sure, reboot it, give it to Sony, strip it of everything that made COPS COPS, replace all the characters with young dudes and dudettes, make their characters slightly - very slightly - resemble the original characters, strip the story out of it, replace with a formula that the 25 - 35 demographic will respond well to, release a toy line targeted at the demographic's children, and YES! COPS reboot is PERFECT!
Well, you say that like it's awful... but did you ever watch GI Joe: Resolute? It wasn't bad for an hour-long movie (which was really a microseries of 5-minute episodes).
Take the guys that were COPS before, bring them out of 'retirement'- and really, there's not much else you -need- to do. The setting for that was just fine, futuristic policemen? I'm not seeing how it needs an update.
- Not that's an achievement, to be better than Street Fighter The Movie.
I was referring to the short lived animated series that was partly based on the live action movie.(it aired around the same time as the Mortal Kombat series...and amazingly lasted a bit longer)
To me, edgy often looks like you're trying too hard to shoehorn hot topics into something just for the shock factor.
Anyway, none of that stuff really belongs in the comedy-heavy setting I'm writing for. (Except, one of the things you mentioned does make an appearance. Oooh I'm edgy!)
Edgy sells Biff. You can illustrate well, but the closest the superhero genre has even halfway gotten it right using camp was (imo) the Tick.
You coud offer me a free pass to the Foxbat movie (*tm soon), with popcorn, and a soda, and a signed autograph from the cast, and a cashier's check for 1k OR breakfast at Denny's for a week.
I'd put a serious dent in Denny's bacon supply, and not for one moment wonder what I was missing in the theatre.
Let a little bit of evil Biff out too play. You might even make some money.
You know, I really don't object to those who reminisce about their "good old days" at CoX. Couldn't take the low-level experience myself, but to each their own, ja?
No, what gets my goat is that group of former CoX players who seem to exist only to badmouth CO in every particular, as if it needs to be punished for daring to continue to exist while their own beloved CoX was lost. We get it. You miss the old game. So go buy a tabletop ruleset for superheroing (I hear there's a nice flexible one from this place called Hero Games, or if you prefer you can try GURPS Supers), and rebuild Paragon City for yourselves. But please, for the love of Statesman, quit logging into CO for the specific purpose of trying to drive away the existing playerbase. CO's continuation isn't a manifestation of evil, it's just better supported by its publisher than CoX was. Life's like that sometimes.
Sorry Dude but you see its not like CO doesnt warrant the bad mouthing. I was here on CO in beta, I loved it, loved it so much I was even over on CoH telling people how CO would be the better option from character creating to a setting with a long, deep, and well loved lore rich IP to help perhaps put an end to all the wierd otehr RPG RP that was a constant thorn in RP in CoH.
It actually ended up provoking my first and only open zone flame war that saw me with a temp ban on CoH.
And then the launch day of CO came, and the great game wide changes that nerfed so much that many character concepts in their fledgling state where brutally killed and the dreams of their makers left in shambles. Various online MMO review sights and polls hinted that potentially players in the thousands left the game and even perma cancelled their lifetime subs in an effort to vote with their wallets and show Cryptic their error.
Many believed when the short time later incident of it being told to us on the forums in a selfless sacrifice by a now long gone employee warning us that Viborea bay was going to cost us as much as another 30$ that it was because the initial expectations from lifetime sub sales had turned to ash with people canceling the credit card payment for it and getting the charges reversed. If the rumors of as many as 10,000 people doing it are true, one can imagine it could well have prompted the attempt to get cash from those who had stuck around in the form of charging for a expansion so shortly after launch and a failed first holiday event.
So in the end for those who played both games even just off and on since their launch one can easily see why they want to see CO end as it honestly does not even need to exist. I certainly dont give two fracks for the fanbois of the game, or the traitorous dregs who after the loss of paragon came here and stick their heads in the sand and pretend its somekind of actual game worth playing.
You see I know good games and bad games, even CoH at its best was still average in the bigger game world because MMO by their very nature will always fail to measure up in virtually any category with well made non MMO games. I got done playing through games like Tomb Raiders relaunch and Dishonored these last few months now that Ive broken the addiction to MMOs playing them regularly creates. One can only dream of the day MMOs are capable of being as well refined as such single player experiences in game play.
So frankly mediocre MMO like CO which in the wider game world makes it fall to sub standard and not worth the pixels its build out of dont deserve to be praised, they dont deserved to be given mercy and just ignored by gamers, it deserves to be driven from this earth, to be burned to ash and the land it was built upon salted and left to fade from the memories of those it was known to.
Wait, there was a Mortal Kombat cartoon? That game was the reason the ESRB became a thing, there was a HUGE outcry among parents about kids playing this game. And Street Fighter... I've seen the box for the anime movie... it had a show, too?
Yes, because I actually watched that series. I was on a big martial arts kick back then. I was deeply amused when the series got cancelled on a cliffhanger and made it look like the villain won.
Don't do it. If you're thing is comedy, stick to it. If you ever make an alternate comic, do that, sure. But don't cheapen your own work for the sake of making it more appealing.
I'm of two minds when it comes to something- if you're running a business and trying to make money, then do what you have to do and make the consumer happy.
If you're making your own thing, don't cater to the popular notion. Do your own thing. Don't try to please everyone.
This is actually what happened to South Park- and it became 'preachy'. Not to mention, I wasn't particularly fond of how they decided to call 'Harley Riders' a certain name. Sorry, not all of us Harley Riders are like that, and the people who whine the most about 'loud bikes' are the ones who blast music from their car louder than my pipes or drive distracted and run over people like me. Plus, loud pipes may 'annoy' you- but at least you looked and saw me and didn't run me over. Been to too many bikers' memorials because 'they didn't see them'. Not to mention, the 'revving' of the engine actually blows out the carbon buildup in older/modified bikes, or bikes that have just recently been started and haven't completely warmed up need revving when they idle so they don't go dead at a stop.
Yes, because I actually watched that series. I was on a big martial arts kick back then. I was deeply amused when the series got cancelled on a cliffhanger and made it look like the villain won.
I only caught a few of the episodes, and my memory of the cartoon series is hazy at best. Mostly I recall it was set (more of less) around the story line of the 3rd arcade game and it was full of animation mistakes and terrible voice acting...
I'd like the movie better if they had decency to actually put Kylie in a leotard. Stay true to the source material, you know.
See the above link. Capcom wanted a PG-13 movie, and the director had problems keeping Jean-Claude van Damme on set. Putting Kylie Minogue in authentic Cammy butt floss would have ruined their chances at both.
Choose your enemies carefully, because they will define you / Make them interesting, because in some ways they will mind you
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
Don't do it. If you're thing is comedy, stick to it. If you ever make an alternate comic, do that, sure. But don't cheapen your own work for the sake of making it more appealing.
I'm of two minds when it comes to something- if you're running a business and trying to make money, then do what you have to do and make the consumer happy.
If you're making your own thing, don't cater to the popular notion. Do your own thing. Don't try to please everyone.
This is actually what happened to South Park- and it became 'preachy'. Not to mention, I wasn't particularly fond of how they decided to call 'Harley Riders' a certain name. Sorry, not all of us Harley Riders are like that, and the people who whine the most about 'loud bikes' are the ones who blast music from their car louder than my pipes or drive distracted and run over people like me. Plus, loud pipes may 'annoy' you- but at least you looked and saw me and didn't run me over. Been to too many bikers' memorials because 'they didn't see them'. Not to mention, the 'revving' of the engine actually blows out the carbon buildup in older/modified bikes, or bikes that have just recently been started and haven't completely warmed up need revving when they idle so they don't go dead at a stop.
Don't worry, I'm not even planning to sell this comic, let alone sell out. My brand of humor is stupid. The things that I come up with that make me laugh usually get looks of confusion from other people. I don't think it would sell well. :biggrin:
Speaking of bikes, I saw someone 'not see' a biker, like 20 feet away. We were on the freeway in good ol' 405 stand-still traffic. We were in the carpool lane, and a guy ahead of us decides to get out of the carpool. A dude on a bike goes screaming past us, deflects off the car that's changing lanes, right into the back of another car. His back wheel goes up, his head hits the trunk of the car, helmet flies off, then he falls to the ground. It was insane.
Well back to the original question and nice to see that the thread changed directions from being another tiresome and unnecessary CO vs CoX argument....
I don't forsee any kind of anniversary done to honor CoX in this game nor should there be, because this game has absolutely nothing to do with CoX. CO should be able to stand on its own two feet without having to look overshadowed by or ride on another game's coattails, especially when that game has long shut down. Anniversaries that are held with accordance to this game should be kept relevant to this game.
I have my own fond memories of CoX (hence my sig) during my year there and no doubt many others have as well, but it's time to move on.
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Edgy is a hipster word for 'people who care about something enough to not make a joke of it'. And none of the above is a 'hot topic', unless you live in an episode of Leave it to Beaver.
If good writing tailored to a modern crowd and I can identify with it is edgy, then I'm okay with being edgy.
To me, edgy often looks like you're trying too hard to shoehorn hot topics into something just for the shock factor.
Anyway, none of that stuff really belongs in the comedy-heavy setting I'm writing for. (Except, one of the things you mentioned does make an appearance. Oooh I'm edgy!)
Oh, it's a comedy setting? Then I'd like it.
Hardly changes that CO is below both.
The game doesn't have "cool" factor. Don't need to be all serious and grimdark, but at least could be cool.
Though it can't be said that CO never tried to change its image. There are some parts in adventure packs. But it's a futile effort anyway, since everything like that will clash terribly with the rest of the game and then will be finished by graphics style, which is definitely dated and uncool (and not comic-booky at all) despite being made on a not-so-old graphic engine.
There is no way, however, to check how detrimental is CO stylisation to its failure as a popular game. There is no comparable game similar enough but with different look and feel to compare what is more popular.
Also, WTB Powerpuffs Beyond The Movie:
Wait, there was a Mortal Kombat cartoon? That game was the reason the ESRB became a thing, there was a HUGE outcry among parents about kids playing this game. And Street Fighter... I've seen the box for the anime movie... it had a show, too?
Like, call me weird, but I had GI Joe, Transformers, Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man, WildCATs... and I don't remember Mortal Kombat (and considering how much I loved that game like every other 13 year old kid at the time, I'm surprised I didn't.)
I know Robocop had a cartoon, as did Rambo... and it's hilarious that two of the ultra-violent movies of the 80's were watered down for kids.
I liked COPS, too. Not the reality show, the cartoon. Fighting crime, in a future time...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122355/
Aired very shortly and soon cancelled. Terrible hogwash, I think it was as bad as The Highlander cartoon.
Street Fighter animes are actually better than live movie*.
No deeper thoughts, mature characters, kicking, bashing and smashing each other. As deep as you can expect from this franchise, but then, Rambo also isn't popular because it's a deep movie. :biggrin:
*) - Not that's an achievement, to be better than Street Fighter The Movie.
You know, of all the things that would do well with a reboot...
Sure, reboot it, give it to Sony, strip it of everything that made COPS COPS, replace all the characters with young dudes and dudettes, make their characters slightly - very slightly - resemble the original characters, strip the story out of it, replace with a formula that the 25 - 35 demographic will respond well to, release a toy line targeted at the demographic's children, and YES! COPS reboot is PERFECT!
Shut up! The Streetfighter movie gave us Tuesday, Beholding Satan!, Change the channel! and Bison Dollars.
Greatest bad movie ever.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Well, you say that like it's awful... but did you ever watch GI Joe: Resolute? It wasn't bad for an hour-long movie (which was really a microseries of 5-minute episodes).
Take the guys that were COPS before, bring them out of 'retirement'- and really, there's not much else you -need- to do. The setting for that was just fine, futuristic policemen? I'm not seeing how it needs an update.
I was referring to the short lived animated series that was partly based on the live action movie.(it aired around the same time as the Mortal Kombat series...and amazingly lasted a bit longer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ2BxI_twLU
(quality=awful, in every conceivable way.)
Edgy sells Biff. You can illustrate well, but the closest the superhero genre has even halfway gotten it right using camp was (imo) the Tick.
You coud offer me a free pass to the Foxbat movie (*tm soon), with popcorn, and a soda, and a signed autograph from the cast, and a cashier's check for 1k OR breakfast at Denny's for a week.
I'd put a serious dent in Denny's bacon supply, and not for one moment wonder what I was missing in the theatre.
Let a little bit of evil Biff out too play. You might even make some money.
Sorry Dude but you see its not like CO doesnt warrant the bad mouthing. I was here on CO in beta, I loved it, loved it so much I was even over on CoH telling people how CO would be the better option from character creating to a setting with a long, deep, and well loved lore rich IP to help perhaps put an end to all the wierd otehr RPG RP that was a constant thorn in RP in CoH.
It actually ended up provoking my first and only open zone flame war that saw me with a temp ban on CoH.
And then the launch day of CO came, and the great game wide changes that nerfed so much that many character concepts in their fledgling state where brutally killed and the dreams of their makers left in shambles. Various online MMO review sights and polls hinted that potentially players in the thousands left the game and even perma cancelled their lifetime subs in an effort to vote with their wallets and show Cryptic their error.
Many believed when the short time later incident of it being told to us on the forums in a selfless sacrifice by a now long gone employee warning us that Viborea bay was going to cost us as much as another 30$ that it was because the initial expectations from lifetime sub sales had turned to ash with people canceling the credit card payment for it and getting the charges reversed. If the rumors of as many as 10,000 people doing it are true, one can imagine it could well have prompted the attempt to get cash from those who had stuck around in the form of charging for a expansion so shortly after launch and a failed first holiday event.
So in the end for those who played both games even just off and on since their launch one can easily see why they want to see CO end as it honestly does not even need to exist. I certainly dont give two fracks for the fanbois of the game, or the traitorous dregs who after the loss of paragon came here and stick their heads in the sand and pretend its somekind of actual game worth playing.
You see I know good games and bad games, even CoH at its best was still average in the bigger game world because MMO by their very nature will always fail to measure up in virtually any category with well made non MMO games. I got done playing through games like Tomb Raiders relaunch and Dishonored these last few months now that Ive broken the addiction to MMOs playing them regularly creates. One can only dream of the day MMOs are capable of being as well refined as such single player experiences in game play.
So frankly mediocre MMO like CO which in the wider game world makes it fall to sub standard and not worth the pixels its build out of dont deserve to be praised, they dont deserved to be given mercy and just ignored by gamers, it deserves to be driven from this earth, to be burned to ash and the land it was built upon salted and left to fade from the memories of those it was known to.
lol, thanks for the laugh. You're adorable.
You know...
Can't say I'm a head cheerleader here, but really...
If any game was making me that mad, I'd not even bother to check on its forums. Lol.
I'd like the movie better if they had decency to actually put Kylie in a leotard. Stay true to the source material, you know.
Yes, there was a Street Fighter cartoon. I used to watch it on occasion; it had two seasons: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0219458/
I never knew about the Mortal Kombat cartoon, though. That's funky.
Yeah, Street Fighter: The Movie is one of my guilty pleasures too. Raul Julia as M. Bison is enough reason to watch it. May he rest in peace.
I know, that's why people like South Park.
I'm not ready to sell out, yet.
Would you believe they also made a live action tv series?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0170982/
Yes, because I actually watched that series. I was on a big martial arts kick back then. I was deeply amused when the series got cancelled on a cliffhanger and made it look like the villain won.
Don't do it. If you're thing is comedy, stick to it. If you ever make an alternate comic, do that, sure. But don't cheapen your own work for the sake of making it more appealing.
I'm of two minds when it comes to something- if you're running a business and trying to make money, then do what you have to do and make the consumer happy.
If you're making your own thing, don't cater to the popular notion. Do your own thing. Don't try to please everyone.
This is actually what happened to South Park- and it became 'preachy'. Not to mention, I wasn't particularly fond of how they decided to call 'Harley Riders' a certain name. Sorry, not all of us Harley Riders are like that, and the people who whine the most about 'loud bikes' are the ones who blast music from their car louder than my pipes or drive distracted and run over people like me. Plus, loud pipes may 'annoy' you- but at least you looked and saw me and didn't run me over. Been to too many bikers' memorials because 'they didn't see them'. Not to mention, the 'revving' of the engine actually blows out the carbon buildup in older/modified bikes, or bikes that have just recently been started and haven't completely warmed up need revving when they idle so they don't go dead at a stop.
I only caught a few of the episodes, and my memory of the cartoon series is hazy at best. Mostly I recall it was set (more of less) around the story line of the 3rd arcade game and it was full of animation mistakes and terrible voice acting...
kinda like CO yeah? (*badumtish*)
See the above link. Capcom wanted a PG-13 movie, and the director had problems keeping Jean-Claude van Damme on set. Putting Kylie Minogue in authentic Cammy butt floss would have ruined their chances at both.
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
Don't worry, I'm not even planning to sell this comic, let alone sell out. My brand of humor is stupid. The things that I come up with that make me laugh usually get looks of confusion from other people. I don't think it would sell well. :biggrin:
Speaking of bikes, I saw someone 'not see' a biker, like 20 feet away. We were on the freeway in good ol' 405 stand-still traffic. We were in the carpool lane, and a guy ahead of us decides to get out of the carpool. A dude on a bike goes screaming past us, deflects off the car that's changing lanes, right into the back of another car. His back wheel goes up, his head hits the trunk of the car, helmet flies off, then he falls to the ground. It was insane.
I don't forsee any kind of anniversary done to honor CoX in this game nor should there be, because this game has absolutely nothing to do with CoX. CO should be able to stand on its own two feet without having to look overshadowed by or ride on another game's coattails, especially when that game has long shut down. Anniversaries that are held with accordance to this game should be kept relevant to this game.
I have my own fond memories of CoX (hence my sig) during my year there and no doubt many others have as well, but it's time to move on.