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Kenina & Frosticus -- How much Damage Resistance?

monsterdaddymonsterdaddy Posts: 795 Arc User
edited May 2014 in Missions and Content
I've been meaning to ask folks this question. From my experience it seems that have pretty high defense. I haven't tried any elemental damage on them yet, I expect their defense for that to be extremely high. But other attacks such as Electricity seem to do way less damage on them vs say Gravitar.

Just wondering what other people think. The reason is I am contemplating a INT PSS build with Detect Vulnerability and looking at have more than the usual 25% penetration I usually settle for.

Thanks all!
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  • selpheaselphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    monsterdaddy wrote: »
    I've been meaning to ask folks this question. From my experience it seems that have pretty high defense. I haven't tried any elemental damage on them yet, I expect their defense for that to be extremely high. But other attacks such as Electricity seem to do way less damage on them vs say Gravitar.

    Just wondering what other people think. The reason is I am contemplating a INT PSS build with Detect Vulnerability and looking at have more than the usual 25% penetration I usually settle for.

    Thanks all!

    I estimate somewhere in the ballpark of 180-200%, likely closer to 200%. They don't have passives so they resist all types equally.

    My Hex of Suffering hits for 33% effect, and it doesn't account for Def Pen so that number should be accurate. Strangely, according to the parser my TK Assault hits for 40% effect, but there's no way that's possible with my 27% Def Pen so something else might be up. I'm guessing there just always happened to be a support character with debuff specs in my runs.
  • aiqaaiqa Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    selphea wrote: »
    Strangely, according to the parser my TK Assault hits for 40% effect, but there's no way that's possible with my 27% Def Pen so something else might be up. I'm guessing there just always happened to be a support character with debuff specs in my runs.

    Probably mental storm.
    100/(300-27-24)=0.4016
  • rtmartma Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    selphea wrote: »
    I estimate somewhere in the ballpark of 180-200%, likely closer to 200%. They don't have passives so they resist all types equally.

    Sooo, how does Gravitar Passive affect her Resistance? Physical?
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  • monaahirumonaahiru Posts: 3,088 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rtma wrote: »
    Sooo, how does Gravitar Passive affect her Resistance? Physical?
    Yes, Physical. So we can deal damage by some other maintain like Lightning Arc much more then Two Gun Mojo.
  • rtmartma Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    monaahiru wrote: »
    Yes, Physical. So we can deal damage by some other maintain like Lightning Arc much more then Two Gun Mojo.

    Makes sense, but by how much?
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  • quasimojo1quasimojo1 Posts: 642 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Here is Frosticus' actual average resistance to all damage types (based upon data from 49 encounters):

    Sonic 66%
    Dimensional 66%
    Magic 66%
    Piercing 66%
    Electrical 65%
    Particle 65%
    Fire 65%
    Ego 64%
    Slashing 64%
    Crushing 64%
    Toxic 64%
    Cold 63%
    Penetrating 40%

    Aside from the Penetrating damage, I think the minor variation is from people that use debuffs for those types. Note that this is average resistance for all damage of that type. It is possible for a particular player to get it down quite a bit (lowest I've seen vs. Frosticus is 16%).
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  • kaiserin#0958 kaiserin
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    edited March 2014
    Curious about that. The best I've been at with 220% res debuff going is Frosticus at 57%.
  • quasimojo1quasimojo1 Posts: 642 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    kaizerin wrote: »
    Curious about that. The best I've been at with 220% res debuff going is Frosticus at 57%.

    Diving deeper into the data it looks like the 16% was from Parry and Blade Beyond the Veil, so not very significant damage. Here are the 10 most penetrating attacks seen vs Frosticus:
    attack    MinResist%
--------    --------------
Parry	16
Blade Beyond the Veil	16
Anguish	42
Dragon's Wrath	43
Mind Link	45
Defile	50
Rimefire Burst	51
Sonic Device	52
Ice Grenades	53
Force Cascade	53
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  • monsterdaddymonsterdaddy Posts: 795 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Interesting. I guess there's no reason not to use fire attacks or limit DV penetration.
  • selpheaselphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rtma wrote: »
    Sooo, how does Gravitar Passive affect her Resistance? Physical?

    Ranged physical to be precise. Melee attacks go through the resist too.
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,859 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I dislike Gravi's KM. I know it hampers TGM specs from eating her alive, and that's okay w/ me, but the side effects kinda suck for other ranged physical builds. Its esp hard to hold her aggro on my Force-based tank :/
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  • selpheaselphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    flowcyto wrote: »
    I dislike Gravi's KM. I know it hampers TGM specs from eating her alive, and that's okay w/ me, but the side effects kinda suck for other ranged physical builds. Its esp hard to hold her aggro on my Force-based tank :/

    Yea instead she gets tanked and eaten alive by Lightning Arc and TK Assault-Mental Storm specs :tongue:
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,859 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    selphea wrote: »
    Yea instead she gets tanked and eaten alive by Lightning Arc and TK Assault-Mental Storm specs :tongue:

    I do admit, I like using my LA toon w/ Stormbringer against her.

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  • monsterdaddymonsterdaddy Posts: 795 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Anyone try Dragon's Wrath for the 50% resistance ignore? Wonder if other debuffs occur before or after the 50%
  • crypticbuxomcrypticbuxom Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    At least this kind of damage resist makes CC attacks really outperform basic damage stacking in terms of agro. Challenging Strikes is useful again!
  • monsterdaddymonsterdaddy Posts: 795 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Tested Dragon's Wrath -- works real nice!

    Crits
    Your Dragon's Claws deals 3275 (7951) Slashing Damage to Frosticus.
    Your Dragon's Wrath deals 4416 (7322) Slashing Damage to Frosticus.
    Your Dragon's Wrath deals 4245 (7038) Slashing Damage to Frosticus.

    Non-Crits
    Your Dragon's Claws deals 1553 (3858) Slashing Damage to Frosticus.
    Your Dragon's Wrath deals 2324 (3871) Slashing Damage to Frosticus.

    It appears your damage debuffs are used first and then what ever is left over is halved. In my PQ someone must have had some extra debuffs because my net Dragon's Wrath damage was at 60% of the () values. Pretty good given even Backup Kinetik had 40%!
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