Rocket fist Power

chimerafreek

If you know me, you know why I very dearly want this as a usable power (outside of the Destroid become) because it's a ranged-fist based knockback.

Even if the animation is Just that of the Annihilator bots fist, I desire the power itself (I wouldn't think it'd be hard it would be to have the power just read what's on the Glove/Bracer Costume slot for the animation, but then I'm not a programmer.)

I actually went ahead an made a concept template for a rocket fist attack (this is entirely opinion made;

[U]Rocket Fist[/U]

Basic Info
 Requirements; Tier 2
 Framework; Power Armor
 Damage Type; Crushing
 Power Type; Ranged Attack
 Power Family; Technology
 Method; Tap , Charge
 # of Ranks; 3
 # of Advantages; 2 
--
Cost 	19-46
 Damage; 146-574
 Activation Time; .5 sec
 Charge Time; 1.5 sec
 Range; 100 feet
 Lockdown; Yes
 Knock Type; Knockback
 Knock Strength; 4.4-17 feet
 Knock Scaling; Rank (both), Strength (knockback)
 Stat Scaling; Melee Strength scaling
 Applies Enraged; 50%
 Max Enraged stacks; 8
 Effects; Enraged on 50% charge only 

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Rocket Fist (Rank 2) - 2 Advantage Points
      + 175-689 Crushing Damage
      + 5.2-21 foot knockback

Rocket Fist (Rank 3) - 2 Advantage Points
      + 211-826 Crushing Damage
      + 6.3-25 foot knockback

Crippling Challenge (3 Advantage Points)
+ Increases the threat caused by this attack, making enemies more likely to attack you.
+ Places a 20% damage debuff on the target that persists for 15 seconds. If the affected enemy attacks the taunter, it will quickly reduce this debuff's strength. Conversely, damage the taunter inflicts on the taunted enemy restores the debuff's strength.
+ This advantage Taunts an AI controlled enemy, forcing them to attack you for 4 seconds. All taunts share a 10 second cooldown, and an enemy that has been taunted by any source cannot be taunted again for 10 seconds.
+ Crippling Challenge breaks through blocking and disables it for 10 seconds.

Grappling Fist (2 Advantage Points)
Rocket Fist becomes a knock towards instead of a knockback.


*Rocket Fist 
      + 146-574 Crushing Damage
      + 4.5-27 foot knockto

*Rocket Fist (Rank 2) - 2 Advantage Points
      + 175-689 Crushing Damage
      + 5.2-34 foot knockto

(* With Advantage)

If you skimmed through that, you may have noticed that I have the attack scaling with Strength, as opposed to Ego. This (while still just my opinion) creates an opening for a power-armored themed Strength based Range set. (in Contrast to Ego blades, which uses Ego for melee attacks) While I have other ideas bouncing around that could fit into that theme, Nothing as concrete as the Rocket fist.

If you have other ideas you could throw onto such a powerset, or any criticisms on the Rocket fist then by all means I'd love to hear it.

roughbearmattach

There are tons of powers that only enemies have. Some are signature effects that maybe only enemies should have (like the bubble gum trap from Foxbat), but many would be wonderful for heroes to have available.

These powers would need to be balanced and fleshed out with tiers and advantages for heroes, though.

wrathsoul1

roughbearmattach wrote: »

There are tons of powers that only enemies have. Some are signature effects that maybe only enemies should have (like the bubble gum trap from Foxbat), but many would be wonderful for heroes to have available.

These powers would need to be balanced and fleshed out with tiers and advantages for heroes, though.

Like the knife and armcannon powers.

battybattybats

/Signed

wrathsoul1 wrote: »

Like the knife and armcannon powers.

/Signed

chimerafreek

wrathsoul1 wrote: »

Like the knife and armcannon powers.

In general, just having powers that we could use with Mechassasin/Warlords gun would be nice. *for silvers that can't make things fire out of their fists, that is*

epicgefiltefish

Looks good.

/Signed.

uprightdog

/Signed

More PA and specifically more comic book style PA powers would be a welcome addition.

(Gauntlet chainsaw being an existing, 'comic book' tech power)

chimerafreek

Update; While I -think- it'd be as simple as having the projectile read what's in the Glove/Bracer slot for the fist, In the event that such a thing ISN'T doable, Having a static image of say a boxing glove would be JUST as adequate, Just having the power itself is worthwhile.

ALSO this would be a perfect reason to include a boxing glove Costume piece.

chaelk

damn, I thought you meant fire a rocket form your fist.

boxing glove... why do I remember a load of Tom and Jerry cartoons or was it Road runner

theravenforce

Hmm, I do like this idea, its already in game so I don't see why not!

/Signed!

xydaxyda

chimerafreek wrote: »

Update; While I -think- it'd be as simple as having the projectile read what's in the Glove/Bracer slot for the fist, In the event that such a thing ISN'T doable, Having a static image of say a boxing glove would be JUST as adequate, Just having the power itself is worthwhile.

ALSO this would be a perfect reason to include a boxing glove Costume piece.

/signed

and I want boxing gloves as a costume unlock!

chimerafreek

xydaxyda wrote: »

/signed

and I want boxing gloves as a costume unlock!

Seems kinda odd that such a simple costume piece wasn't included at launch.

That being said is there a way to change the topic title to "Rocket Fist Power/ Boxing Glove Costume" ?

sergeantmahoff1

It'd be awesome to see something like this in CO, considering all the robots running around lately.

xvii013

/signed

:biggrin:

chimerafreek

chaelk wrote: »

damn, I thought you meant fire a rocket form your fist.

boxing glove... why do I remember a load of Tom and Jerry cartoons or was it Road runner

There already is a power like that, though.

Though this also gave me another idea; extendo-fist. Same concept really, except your fist fires off via chain attachment/Spring load/Stretchy arm/Ect. Also even more of a reason to spec off of Melee/Strength while being a ranged attack.

bellatorrex

/signed and /signed

notyuu

We need this for great justice so we can move all the zigs.

chimerafreek

Thanks for the support guys

How would everyone feel if Trauma were added to a rocket fist power? Seeing as we're limited with Trauma as it is.

alexofspades

Since we already have the animation in game, wouldnt be so hard to implement this. I love the idea, specially the knock-to adv that could be useful to melees. Besides, the more power variety the better - players love having options.

/SIGNED

sqrox

chimerafreek wrote: »

If you know me, you know why I very dearly want this as a usable power (outside of the Destroid become) because it's a ranged-fist based knockback.

Even if the animation is Just that of the Annihilator bots fist, I desire the power itself (I wouldn't think it'd be hard it would be to have the power just read what's on the Glove/Bracer Costume slot for the animation, but then I'm not a programmer.)

I actually went ahead an made a concept template for a rocket fist attack (this is entirely opinion made;

[U]Rocket Fist[/U]

Basic Info
 Requirements; Tier 2
 Framework; Power Armor
 Damage Type; Crushing
 Power Type; Ranged Attack
 Power Family; Technology
 Method; Tap , Charge
 # of Ranks; 3
 # of Advantages; 2 
--
Cost 	19-46
 Damage; 146-574
 Activation Time; .5 sec
 Charge Time; 1.5 sec
 Range; 100 feet
 Lockdown; Yes
 Knock Type; Knockback
 Knock Strength; 4.4-17 feet
 Knock Scaling; Rank (both), Strength (knockback)
 Stat Scaling; Melee Strength scaling
 Applies Enraged; 50%
 Max Enraged stacks; 8
 Effects; Enraged on 50% charge only 

-------------

Rocket Fist (Rank 2) - 2 Advantage Points
      + 175-689 Crushing Damage
      + 5.2-21 foot knockback

Rocket Fist (Rank 3) - 2 Advantage Points
      + 211-826 Crushing Damage
      + 6.3-25 foot knockback

Crippling Challenge (3 Advantage Points)
+ Increases the threat caused by this attack, making enemies more likely to attack you.
+ Places a 20% damage debuff on the target that persists for 15 seconds. If the affected enemy attacks the taunter, it will quickly reduce this debuff's strength. Conversely, damage the taunter inflicts on the taunted enemy restores the debuff's strength.
+ This advantage Taunts an AI controlled enemy, forcing them to attack you for 4 seconds. All taunts share a 10 second cooldown, and an enemy that has been taunted by any source cannot be taunted again for 10 seconds.
+ Crippling Challenge breaks through blocking and disables it for 10 seconds.

Grappling Fist (2 Advantage Points)
Rocket Fist becomes a knock towards instead of a knockback.


*Rocket Fist 
      + 146-574 Crushing Damage
      + 4.5-27 foot knockto

*Rocket Fist (Rank 2) - 2 Advantage Points
      + 175-689 Crushing Damage
      + 5.2-34 foot knockto

(* With Advantage)

If you skimmed through that, you may have noticed that I have the attack scaling with Strength, as opposed to Ego. This (while still just my opinion) creates an opening for a power-armored themed Strength based Range set. (in Contrast to Ego blades, which uses Ego for melee attacks) While I have other ideas bouncing around that could fit into that theme, Nothing as concrete as the Rocket fist.

If you have other ideas you could throw onto such a powerset, or any criticisms on the Rocket fist then by all means I'd love to hear it.

Yeah thats an awesome idea! /signed

spinnytop

Also the power where you throw a beer bottle.

avianos

/Signed

It's really taunting seeing only Enemies having access on those powers!

Rocket Fists would be really fun!

chimerafreek

spinnytop wrote: »

Also the power where you throw a beer bottle.

lol, That'd be great too. Or better yet that, but a molotov cocktail.

crypticbuxom

I think the bottles and other unique powers that have devices should be for another thread. (permanent versions of Bag of confiscated contraband, Foam finger, etc.) This is about that damn fist throwing power.

I'm for this.

chimerafreek

You know, I never did get input on what you all thought about the power having Trauma.

spinnytop

chimerafreek wrote: »

You know, I never did get input on what you all thought about the power having Trauma.

as a 2 pt, im fine with it

chimerafreek

So with that, we're looking at

Rank 2 (2pt)

Rank 3 (2pt)

Crippling Challenge (3pt)

Grappling fist (2pt)

and Trauma (2pt)

All that being said, giving it trauma might be overkill, but we could use more powers with Trauma. even if it's not this.

x22f4c3bot

That would be cool to have, and also either customize it or have it as ur own hand.

spinnytop

chimerafreek wrote: »

All that being said, giving it trauma might be overkill, but we could use more powers with Trauma. even if it's not this.

Yeah... if anything, a melee power should get Trauma (maybe one in Telekenisis?). Ranged already has it good enough.

purin1

spinnytop wrote: »

Yeah... if anything, a melee power should get Trauma (maybe one in Telekenisis?). Ranged already has it good enough.

Melee has Haymaker and Brute Strike, though getting more options is always nice.

spinnytop

purin1 wrote: »

Melee has Haymaker and Brute Strike, though getting more options is always nice.

Yes, and ranged has range. Far as I'm concerned, only melee should have Trauma.

sterga

+1 for rocket fist

I don't know about trauma on a 100ft power. Aren't people irritated by that other 100ft power with built in trauma?

chimerafreek

sterga wrote: »

+1 for rocket fist

I don't know about trauma on a 100ft power. Aren't people irritated by that other 100ft power with built in trauma?

It's about 50/50. The ones who use and abuse it love it. The ones abused BY it hate it.

purin1

spinnytop wrote: »

Yes, and ranged has range. Far as I'm concerned, only melee should have Trauma.

I think Pestilence and Ebon Ruin have their places in heal debuffing/trauma. In my opinion, the problem is people slapping on ER with extreme ease and no consequences. But I wouldn't see a problem with it if they had to seriously invest in it.

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spinnytop

purin1 wrote: »

I think Pestilence and Ebon Ruin have their places in heal debuffing/trauma. In my opinion, the problem is people slapping on ER with extreme ease and no consequences. But I wouldn't see a problem with it if they had to seriously invest in it.

Or they could just remove trauma from Ebon Ruin and instead buff its DoT damage.

Pestilence at least has limited range... of course that only benefits ranged players, since it has plenty of range if you're fighting against a melee.

chimerafreek

spinnytop wrote: »

Or they could just remove trauma from Ebon Ruin and instead buff its DoT damage.

Pestilence at least has limited range... of course that only benefits ranged players, since it has plenty of range if you're fighting against a melee.

While I wouldn't complain if they removed Trauma from ER, I at LEAST wish they made it require a full charge to apply it.

Yet any suggestion to that, or to make the two melee powers have it built in, are laughed off by people who treat ER as though it where the saving grace of pvp.


Anyway this has nothing to do with Rocket fists, lets get back to that one, shall we?

dynamech

/signed. Rocket Punches

chimerafreek

So here's a thought; Do ya'll think it should be a charge power as I suggested, or a Tap with high damage but with a CD? *Either having the grappling fist adv, of course*

tdits

How on Earth did I miss this thread? /signed

championshewolf

But how would you punch things after you fire your fist off?

chalupaoffury

championshewolf wrote: »

But how would you punch things after you fire your fist off?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stump-Punch

That's the phrase of the day.

chimerafreek

championshewolf wrote: »

But how would you punch things after you fire your fist off?

Probably magnets.

That said I am also open to the idea of an extendo fist of sorts, maybe a 0 point perk that lets you change it from your default arm/ flesh color to a robotic twine/chain of sorts.

thelostexile

championshewolf wrote: »

But how would you punch things after you fire your fist off?

(Just add rockets.)

vorshoth

For how this could look, the cyborg girl character in Tekken: Blood Vengeance (it's... Not as awesome as it sounds. That said, it has a incredibly powerful Chinese girl ride a Panda at the speed of sound down a heavy traffic street, and nobody blinks an eye at the Panda existing, it's just "yeah, there's a panda there, and yes, it's incredibly fast, what of it, fellow character in this movie?") has the ability to make her fists propel out of her hands, which she later dubs "Rocket... PUNCH!"

And it looks kind of awesome when she uses it.

So, to describe for people who don't want to check it out on the Tube of You, Basically...

Wrist Bolter animation stance.

Fists, or if we have to make it more... power armoury without being a cyborg, a cylinder or bullet the size of the fist enamates from the hand.
Meanwhile, a small firey aura enamates from the hand, obscuring it.
The bullet goes to the target, as per usual boomyness, and when the power is done, aura disappears, revealing the hands have grownback/rematerialised/etc.

With the Gun Arm costume piece, it should fit within its bulky size, allowing it to be a big blast from the gun.

spinnytop

championshewolf wrote: »

But how would you punch things after you fire your fist off?

A new fist comes out of the arm, which has an infinite supply of fists. Because that's how it works in the cartoons about the giant japanese robots.

thelostexile

spinnytop wrote: »

A new fist comes out of the arm, which has an infinite supply of fists. Because that's how it works in the cartoons about the giant japanese robots.

Ammunition = Fists.

chimerafreek

Though really, you'd get your fists back the same way gun/PA toons have unlimited ammo, Devastator/Hw's have weapons that are bigger than they are on their person when not in combat, and how slashing people up with Single/dual blades doesn't actually KILL anybody.

It's a video game :v

chalupaoffury

vorshoth wrote: »

Wrist Bolter animation stance.

Annnnnd you lost me.

roflcopterguy101

Great idea!
/Signed!

thelastsonofzod

I'm very much in favor of new powers, particularly of the robotic variety

/Signed