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ilztas
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This mod-fusing idea's neat n' all, but there's so much more a crafting system could do, and we could use the fusion tables for it since they're already in place.
Maybe we could take items we don't want and break 'em down at the tables into various materials, which we'd then use to craft various items based on whether our fusion skill is Arms, Science or Mysticism. Doing it like that would give the skills more purpose than just determining what nodes we can get mods n' cores from, too.
We could craft better equipment (or modify existing gear), or maybe simple charged devices like "Magician's Dust", "Bag of Confiscated Contraband", "Zombie Dust", those undead/demon-summoning devices... maybe some costume pieces could be done this way...
What do you guys think?
Maybe we could take items we don't want and break 'em down at the tables into various materials, which we'd then use to craft various items based on whether our fusion skill is Arms, Science or Mysticism. Doing it like that would give the skills more purpose than just determining what nodes we can get mods n' cores from, too.
We could craft better equipment (or modify existing gear), or maybe simple charged devices like "Magician's Dust", "Bag of Confiscated Contraband", "Zombie Dust", those undead/demon-summoning devices... maybe some costume pieces could be done this way...
What do you guys think?
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@Aleatha1011 in CO | Keeper of the Cheesecake since Nov. 2011| Bunni BOT is on PRIMUS! | Come check out my deviantart page!
You mean, something EXACTLY like crafting that was removed to make place for current mod system? :biggrin:
Seriously though, we do need that crafting system back.
I'm glad the system has been simplified. This game should be fun. It shouldn't feel like homework or some tedious chore.
That is my own personal opinion, ofcourse.
It was reasonably well made and usable.
What was botched were weak craftable items. Usually there was no point in crafting save for AFs, weapon model unlocks or grindy travel powers/costume unlocks.
But at least it was there and it was fun for part of playerbase.
Then it was destroyed and justified that it was disliked. Well, maybe for some. But now there is one reason less to even leave RenCen.
And new modding system is nothing more than money grab.
Crafting is one of parts of gameplay universally recognised as one more thing hooking players to the game. Not all players, but at least large part of them. Successful MMOs do have crafting.
But I guess that since CO is hardly wildly successful, there is no need for crafting. :rolleyes:
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To be fair sarcasm is hard to convey in text... BUT I do remember you Jeff, just took your suggestion seriously as I didn't remember when you had joined.
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Your new @handle (@ilztas) and your many "I'm overwhelmed by all the powers to pick from to do X" talks in zone chat make it seem like you were an actual new player.
I think I saw you suggest doing this in Zone for the lulz, is what I think.
Anyway, the old crafting system was poo and if they were to bring one back it should be similar to Neverwinters.
Wait? Whaaaa..?
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Wouldn't mind being able to craft devices, even if they're charged variants only. All we can do nowadays is hunt 100+ Red Banner mages for example and hope for the best at getting that Magician's Dust.
Not to mention the fact that, honestly, hitting 400 in a craft is now infinitely more difficult since Mods are the only way to level it.
Long story short, I want a far more linear and easy way to obtain these things (or in some cases actually possible). While I do think that Mods are great, they allow for people to hit far greater heights than they used to if you ask me, it wouldn't be very hard to keep that while re-incorporating the old system with some tweaks, would it?
While I agree in principle, I'd still rather have that back than shovel my way through the wagonloads of bovine dung that is the fusion system.
(Oh, and I'm still wayting for Cryptic to make amends for how they handles the change from one to the other, which was basically a big middle finger for those of us who were barely shy of finally crafting <insert L40 costume unlock you didn't quite get done here>.)
I entirely agree with how pants-on-head-stupid it now is to hit 400 with Fusion. I was lucky that I was able to get one character to 400 Mysticism before On Alert hit. Even then I wonder if it was WORTH it for the... 15-20% bonus to Fusion or so from R1? "highest crafting level possible: still has a fair chance of failing at creating a mid-level item" is just silly IMO.
If by that you mean "Man we get way to damned many mods as drops and I'm always throwing them away." then you are correct.
If you mean, "The old crafting system was better than what we have now." I'm afraid to inform you that your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
Wait? Whaaaa..?
if by that you mean, "Man we get too many R1 vehicle mods," then I would say not that you were correct or incorrect but that I agree with you.
If by this,"I'm afraid to inform you that your opinion is bad and you should feel bad," you mean,"Opinions are subjective but having any crafting system vs. zero crafting system has to be better simply by virtue of 1 > 0 since even in NW they do not consider mod fusion to be crafting," then I would have to agree with you.
Overall, we do need something to fill this(one of many) void left by On Alert. That is my opinion on the subject. I also agree it will likely be a minion/tasks system similiar to STO/NW but closer to the NW system since that is the most recent version.
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If by that you mean "a system designed for characters that earned their 400 crafting skill in a now defunct system while throwing newbies under the bus can possibly be better than anything" I have to inform you your opinion wasn't worth the time you wasted formulating it, is worse that a 20 year old hound's breath and you really should feel like a moron for insinuating anyone could possibly see a need to feel bad about disagreeing with that hogwash.
No I'm serious, I actually thought it was a lot of fun farming those reinforced tissues.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
We don't have any existing crafting system at the moment, so every crafting system could only be better than that, no matter how bad it was.
Running around getting ingredients, the humour of a lot of those ingredients, making our own heals and power replace devices and special action figures all had some fun to them when done on the characters it felt appropriate to do (the scientists and gadgeteers and sorcerers etcetera) so i'd be ok with that returning so long as my characters can affordable with in-game currency get some room to put the ingredients!
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Sorry. The crafting was poo and mods are better in every way. I admit that I admire your dedication to poo. It takes a brave person to do so in the face of universal repulsion.
Regardless. Crafting = Poo. See, there's math so it's proven by science.
That'd be a great bonus. A Contacts system like STO's DOffs. Something to click and ignore.
But adding mods to gear so an Inferno goes from zero to hero? Works great, needs to be kept. Having to farm dozens of components across five maps for twenty levels just so you can get a second bag? That idea can take a flying leap into the abyss.
Wait? Whaaaa..?
Yes, having crafting in mmo's is indeed a pile of poo. It's good that CO corrected this mistake, not like pretty much any more successful mmo. :biggrin:
I admit that I admire your dedication to going on a thread just to cause trouble. Your logic is lacking sound reasoning, and if you can't give legitimate reasons that Crafting is poo according to you, please leave this thread alone.
Personally, while I like that mods allow for far more versatility in gear, there is one issue. The farm to the highest tier is entirely not worth your time. If they let up on the Diminishing Returns a bit, maybe it would be more worth it.
And I'm not saying get rid of mods entirely. Just... bring back a crafting option. If people want to craft to get Travel Powers, Devices, Costumes, and Action Figures, why not let them? It wouldn't be harming your "perfect" mod system in any way shape or form.
Hey, caught that lil bit there in red and just wanted to make a comment. If you truly want "Versatility in Gear" then how about we cut the numbers mods contribute to gear(something reasonable, not nerfing them into the pavement mind you) and then add 3 slots for another secondary off, def, and util? Then, with 6 gear slots, it would actually be possible to put a little of this or a little of that and balance out the occasional "weak spot" in a build. Say, for example, you just need a smidge of rec or end to iron out your energy useage to perfection...well...with 3 more gear slots this would be possible with less of a hit to SS Focus than in the current system. IMO, this would take the game forward leaps and bounds.*
*Yes, this is partially a joke based on how On Alert actually removed these gear slots in the name of versatility yet not a single dev has ever been able to explain to me how that worked out BUT I think reverting this portion back to a more pre-On Alert style system would actually grand the versatility they were looking for in the 1st place.
Join Date: Aug 2009 | Title: Devslayer
A very valid point. I don't think you need to worry, though, seeing as how Cryptic apparently prefers to cater to semi-sentient spammers like the one we've been seeing in this thread.
EDIT: Come to think of it, there's an argument for re-introducing crafting: Silvers would basically have to buy bag slots to account for getting materials into their inventory on top of everything else.
That is of course another viable option if you ask me. I think the only issue there is that it would require far more coding to work on I would imagine, but then again I don't know too much about coding in the first place.
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