Let's get the sensationalism out of our systems first before we attempt civil discussion.
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Yes, I have joined the CoX channel. I've given the channel it's own tab and text color so I know when someone is talking. I've not participated in the channel in some time for various reasons.
I only played CoX briefly, and didn't enjoy it. Besides, Chat has plenty of people willing to expound at length on how wonderful CoX was, and how much better they did everything there. Why would I want to join a channel full of these people?
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About how much of the chat would you estimate is bashing or bemoaning Champions, please?
I am not asking to be snarky. I am serious. From experiences I have had, it would be a pretty high percentage.
I went from hopeful about CoX players to jaded a long time ago.
(Almost) this.
I'm not jaded on (most of) the players, but I had heard that the channel was pretty toxic when it came to the subject of CO, and the ones I currently frequent are negative enough. So I'd kind like to know whether I'm signing onto yet another bitchy channel before I commit.
As someone who's actually been on the CoX channel for some time now, I can't say I've seen any CO-bashing. In fact it's been mostly used as a gameplay support channel and general Internet geeking discussions in my experience. If there is any toxicity on there, then it's at a certain hour that I'm not signed on at the moment.
Joined it? I helped it get started as a means of helping new CoH refugees learn the ropes in this game, mostly by answering builds and powers questions but also helping newbies level up or have a powerful ally on a team.
The better question is what's with all the flamebait topics? Seriously, first the State of the Game 2013 thread, now this? Hey nextnametaken, U MAD ABOUT SUMTHING BRO?
Yes, please, call him out.. I did in the other thread. Can't let this stand any longer.
I both called him out AND brought up a solution to the population problem he seems to be complaining about (that is unless he's just complaining for complaining's sake).
Refer-A-Friend system. We need it. And then it's a matter of keeping people wanting to stay in the game, which starts with bug fixed, fixing rewards, and other polish related stuff.
About how much of the chat would you estimate is bashing or bemoaning Champions, please?
I am not asking to be snarky. I am serious. From experiences I have had, it would be a pretty high percentage.
I went from hopeful about CoX players to jaded a long time ago.
Well when it started it was really really bad, all the refugees were whining and crying and I gave them guff about it in the forums and the authorties had to suggest I not be so rough on them.
So I put all those whiners on ignore. There's still a few of them, but there's still ignore.
At some point I remove everyone from ignore, and a few of the original crying eyes are
still seen in the channel_info, but they never talk. I don't know what they are up to.
its been a while since i signed into co, but co almost never gets brought up. one thing, its cross game, and sto seems to be the game most people are talking about. beyond that its more of a all purpose chatting channel for former coh players, similar to some of the ones we had in different servers. Ncsoft doesn't exactly get much love here, but even thats a slow fire to start these days. but from my limited time on, i haven't seen co get talked about at all.
We are helping eachother out and making the best of it. One person says "I miss CoH/<insertsomethingfromit>"
The entire channel gets dragged through a mini mourning, which somehow transitions to the bashing of CO.
When the MWM KS came up, there were a lot of people vowing to leave CO and already spitting at it.
Eviltaco said something in another channel about the attitude, and it really pisses me off sometimes. You're in, you're out. That's how the business works. Nobody's telling you what to play. But don't be surprised if people have words for you if you make it out as though you are "enduring some horrible trial" by being in CO, or keep saying "this is noting like my X,Y,Z in CoH! It's horrible!"
It's not the same! That was never the goal. It's time to take it or leave it. Don't try to make us feel bad for loving it.
I joined the channel to help new CoX players. I left the channel because of all the Champs bashing that was done. Take that for whatever it's worth.
given the amount i have seen of you trashing coh, im sure you were an innocent party.
so this seems to be turning into another tribalism thread. those darn coh players always insulting co. funny thing, if you saw the threads that came up around last november, there was goodwill for around a week or so, then it quickly became that view that coh player should be grateful to co for being there, because their game failed. establishing early on the continuing thread among posters and at least one mod that former coh players are second class citizens who are unable to criticize the elements of this game that they dont like because clearly this game is better. Given the expansive population this game has enjoyed, i can understand why they wanted to run the coh players off, and they have enjoyed measures of success in that regard, because the last thing this game needs is more people playing it, but it really seems that who was and is inhospitable is a matter of perspective, and the tribal lines are going to be fiercely guarded.
When the MWM KS came up, there were a lot of people vowing to leave CO and already spitting at it.
The ones I saw were the ones proclaiming that it would never fund, then never go live, and anyone backing them were fools wasting their money on vaporware, as well as complaining about things that are spelled out in big bold letters that say the exact opposite of what they are complaining about. Mine must be a different shift of complainers than yours.
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I joined it, but I'm pretty much a solo player and not much into chatting. I only use it when I have a question to ask or If I happen to be doing nothing at the moment and a good (subjective, and void in NJ) wisecrack opportunity comes along.
I spent about two weeks using Zone before abandoning it for good. Everyone's "open broadcast" channel sucks and is full of trolls. It's usually not worth wasting your time with.
As someone who's actually been on the CoX channel for some time now, I can't say I've seen any CO-bashing. In fact it's been mostly used as a gameplay support channel and general Internet geeking discussions in my experience. If there is any toxicity on there, then it's at a certain hour that I'm not signed on at the moment.
In my anecdotal experience, there's far more Star Trek talk than any mention of CO, good or bad.
About how much of the chat would you estimate is bashing or bemoaning Champions, please?
I am not asking to be snarky. I am serious. From experiences I have had, it would be a pretty high percentage.
I went from hopeful about CoX players to jaded a long time ago.
I'm about as big a CoH fanboy as it's possible to be. I only joined this game after CoH shut down. At the recommendation of a friend from CoH, I joined both the CoH and CoX channels.
I left both within a week.
At the time (early this year), the channel was flooded with people - mostly logged in to STO - talking about how bad CO is in between organizing Fleet activities. It seemed pointless to stay in a channel that alternated between discussion of a different game than the one I'm playing, and hatred of the one I'm playing.
I won't lie: I like CoH better. If it was an option, I'd still be there. But I like this game too (check out that title under my forum handle if you don't believe me). So, no, I'm not a member of the CoX channel, because I saw no good reason to stay there.
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I joined several CoX channels just before CoX shutdown (as well as shortly after) as I figured it would be a good way to help new people acclimate to the game and as many of you well know I'm all about helping people get into and enjoy this game.
However, without fail, each channel would continually devolve into nothing but continual complaints that CO sucks, the one reason people were here was because they had no other choice of superhero game, etc.
At that point I left all of channels of that type. For every five minutes I spent helping someone with powers or missions I spent another fifty five minutes watching a ****storm. No thanks.
If it's changed since that time, all the better but my experience left me jaded enough to not bother doing that again.
given the amount i have seen of you trashing coh, im sure you were an innocent party.
so this seems to be turning into another tribalism thread. those darn coh players always insulting co. funny thing, if you saw the threads that came up around last november, there was goodwill for around a week or so, then it quickly became that view that coh player should be grateful to co for being there, because their game failed. establishing early on the continuing thread among posters and at least one mod that former coh players are second class citizens who are unable to criticize the elements of this game that they dont like because clearly this game is better. Given the expansive population this game has enjoyed, i can understand why they wanted to run the coh players off, and they have enjoyed measures of success in that regard, because the last thing this game needs is more people playing it, but it really seems that who was and is inhospitable is a matter of perspective, and the tribal lines are going to be fiercely guarded.
Oh get over yourself. I'm just calling it as I see it. I'm not even the first one that brought it up.
And I never said City players are second class citizens, or anything of the sort.
There's a way to bring up things that you preferred that City did better that doesn't alienate you from the players of this game. And then there's the "City was just plain better" way of bringing things up, which does put you on the spot. Do you realize that when people say things like that, they're saying it mostly to people who, by their own will, chose this game, because they thought it was better?
I don't jump on every guy that says "Hey, you know, I thought City of Heroes had much deeper story and better story arcs." But when it comes down to putting another game up on a pedestal and bashing the game you're playing, that's something entirely different.
Yes, I like Champions better. That's why I've been here for some four years, and not there this entire time. I do give praise to Champions, and when I do, it's not usually tagged along with "compared to City." I don't set out to constantly make comparisons of the two games.
And yes, I was an innocent party in those discussions. I never engaged in any of it. But I'm sure you're already made up your mind that I was a cruel instigator hell-bent on starting these "tribal" wars just to turn the channel into crap.
I've teamed too many players from CoH to hold all their hands through the game.
That's why I send them to the CoX channel. Questions and assistance are expected and welcome.
They have something in common there and can at least relate to some of the conversation.
Not playing in a playerless void is a good feeling, knowing you're not a total outsider is also an encouraging feeling.
When I get CoX refugees in team, they sometimes make a point to express their noobieness, their feeling of being an outsider and being uncertain if they can get into Champs because they don't know anything or anyone.
I give them a couple tips and get them to join CoX channel.
Even if these players never say a word to anyone, they are at least exposed to a game that has some conversation rolling while they solo dungeons or blip between alerts.
I've teamed too many players from CoH to hold all their hands through the game.
That's why I send them to the CoX channel. Questions and assistance are expected and welcome.
They have something in common there and can at least relate to some of the conversation.
Not playing in a playerless void is a good feeling, knowing you're not a total outsider is also an encouraging feeling.
When I get CoX refugees in team, they sometimes make a point to express their noobieness, their feeling of being an outsider and being uncertain if they can get into Champs because they don't know anything or anyone.
I give them a couple tips and get them to join CoX channel.
Even if these players never say a word to anyone, they are at least exposed to a game that has some conversation rolling while they solo dungeons or blip between alerts.
I think this thread has outlived its usefulness as a simple advertisement for the existence of the CoX channel. In fact... anyone tuning in at this point would probably wonder if all this drama is something they can expect in the CoX channel.
I think this thread has outlived its usefulness as a simple advertisement for the existence of the CoX channel. In fact... anyone tuning in at this point would probably wonder if all this drama is something they can expect in the CoX channel.
I would say less advertising and more setting up a target to troll down.
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It must be the different hours. When I'm on I haven't seen much of any CO bashing, but if you really want to start a flame war fast say anything positive about DND 4e. Heh.
Been a few heated discussions about the CoH spinoff projects.
I helped two guys in CoX get a team together for their first ever nemcon run (it was successful)
And nearly all the STO players have moved over to COX STO which is the chat channel setup so that Paragon Expeditionary Fleet and Arachnos Armada can talk to each other.
I have seen some of what Brou mentions where it's all good then someone says they miss somethig about City and then another person says something and it all spirals downhill. Usually a couple of us try to divert the discussion but it's not always successful.
But then again, I only log in rather late night, so during the prime time it could be a totally different place.
I gotta go with Gavin on this. Maybe it's the timing, but most of the negativity I would see in the CoX channel is pretty focused on something a player (usually in STO, but there was a rush of NWO for a bit) was having an issue with at that moment. I can't speak to the Kickstarter discussion, since I haven't been on CO (or any other game; RL took over) very much in the last couple of months, but there's way more toxicity here than I ever saw in the game, and that include Zone chat. I'm primarily a solo player, but I enjoy some of the discussions that pop up.
Also, threads like this are awesome, but I'm one of those people who enjoys watching things degenerate into chaos. It's really too bad a political discussion would never last more than a couple of pages, now that there's an "Off Topic" section, because those are the most fun to watch. :biggrin:
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I am part of this channel as well. I don't see any complaining sometimes i do but it's extreamly rare to see it. I joined that channel to offer help and rp to those that want to find it.
I am part of this channel as well. I don't see any complaining sometimes i do but it's extreamly rare to see it. I joined that channel to offer help and rp to those that want to find it.
MAybe it has been dieing down. If that is the case, I may look into joining the channel next time I am on.
I've had a good time with the CoX channel, and I've met some very helpful folks; the flip side, I've alos met rough people who wanted to complain about CO. No community is perfect, but the CoX guys have been awesome in the net balance.
I've noticed that this is a recurring topic on the forums lately, and I'm concerned by the perceived fissure between CoX folks and people who started with CO. I think we can all agree that we're fans of superhero MMOs and massive customization, and there ain't much more that matters.
Can I task the forums with some homework over the next few weeks? The next time there's a CoX/CO argument on the forums, can everyone take a step back and try to keep it from escalating? I don't want to see even a part of this community splinter, and I don't want to start having to shut down threads. I'd rather the solution come from players yourselves.
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I wasn't the one looking for a Nemcon team.
You all make some dumb assumptions and make yourself look awful.
I was promoting this channel and you puked all over it.
About how much of the chat would you estimate is bashing or bemoaning Champions, please?
I am not asking to be snarky. I am serious. From experiences I have had, it would be a pretty high percentage.
I went from hopeful about CoX players to jaded a long time ago.
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(Almost) this.
I'm not jaded on (most of) the players, but I had heard that the channel was pretty toxic when it came to the subject of CO, and the ones I currently frequent are negative enough. So I'd kind like to know whether I'm signing onto yet another bitchy channel before I commit.
The better question is what's with all the flamebait topics? Seriously, first the State of the Game 2013 thread, now this? Hey nextnametaken, U MAD ABOUT SUMTHING BRO?
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Yes, please, call him out.. I did in the other thread. Can't let this stand any longer.
I both called him out AND brought up a solution to the population problem he seems to be complaining about (that is unless he's just complaining for complaining's sake).
Refer-A-Friend system. We need it. And then it's a matter of keeping people wanting to stay in the game, which starts with bug fixed, fixing rewards, and other polish related stuff.
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
Well when it started it was really really bad, all the refugees were whining and crying and I gave them guff about it in the forums and the authorties had to suggest I not be so rough on them.
So I put all those whiners on ignore. There's still a few of them, but there's still ignore.
At some point I remove everyone from ignore, and a few of the original crying eyes are
still seen in the channel_info, but they never talk. I don't know what they are up to.
It isn't flaimbait, you people are just very insecure and looking to scapegoat without even thinking.
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Here's what happens:
We are helping eachother out and making the best of it. One person says "I miss CoH/<insertsomethingfromit>"
The entire channel gets dragged through a mini mourning, which somehow transitions to the bashing of CO.
When the MWM KS came up, there were a lot of people vowing to leave CO and already spitting at it.
Eviltaco said something in another channel about the attitude, and it really pisses me off sometimes. You're in, you're out. That's how the business works. Nobody's telling you what to play. But don't be surprised if people have words for you if you make it out as though you are "enduring some horrible trial" by being in CO, or keep saying "this is noting like my X,Y,Z in CoH! It's horrible!"
It's not the same! That was never the goal. It's time to take it or leave it. Don't try to make us feel bad for loving it.
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given the amount i have seen of you trashing coh, im sure you were an innocent party.
so this seems to be turning into another tribalism thread. those darn coh players always insulting co. funny thing, if you saw the threads that came up around last november, there was goodwill for around a week or so, then it quickly became that view that coh player should be grateful to co for being there, because their game failed. establishing early on the continuing thread among posters and at least one mod that former coh players are second class citizens who are unable to criticize the elements of this game that they dont like because clearly this game is better. Given the expansive population this game has enjoyed, i can understand why they wanted to run the coh players off, and they have enjoyed measures of success in that regard, because the last thing this game needs is more people playing it, but it really seems that who was and is inhospitable is a matter of perspective, and the tribal lines are going to be fiercely guarded.
The ones I saw were the ones proclaiming that it would never fund, then never go live, and anyone backing them were fools wasting their money on vaporware, as well as complaining about things that are spelled out in big bold letters that say the exact opposite of what they are complaining about. Mine must be a different shift of complainers than yours.
I spent about two weeks using Zone before abandoning it for good. Everyone's "open broadcast" channel sucks and is full of trolls. It's usually not worth wasting your time with.
In my anecdotal experience, there's far more Star Trek talk than any mention of CO, good or bad.
I'm about as big a CoH fanboy as it's possible to be. I only joined this game after CoH shut down. At the recommendation of a friend from CoH, I joined both the CoH and CoX channels.
I left both within a week.
At the time (early this year), the channel was flooded with people - mostly logged in to STO - talking about how bad CO is in between organizing Fleet activities. It seemed pointless to stay in a channel that alternated between discussion of a different game than the one I'm playing, and hatred of the one I'm playing.
I won't lie: I like CoH better. If it was an option, I'd still be there. But I like this game too (check out that title under my forum handle if you don't believe me). So, no, I'm not a member of the CoX channel, because I saw no good reason to stay there.
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However, without fail, each channel would continually devolve into nothing but continual complaints that CO sucks, the one reason people were here was because they had no other choice of superhero game, etc.
At that point I left all of channels of that type. For every five minutes I spent helping someone with powers or missions I spent another fifty five minutes watching a ****storm. No thanks.
If it's changed since that time, all the better but my experience left me jaded enough to not bother doing that again.
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Oh get over yourself. I'm just calling it as I see it. I'm not even the first one that brought it up.
And I never said City players are second class citizens, or anything of the sort.
There's a way to bring up things that you preferred that City did better that doesn't alienate you from the players of this game. And then there's the "City was just plain better" way of bringing things up, which does put you on the spot. Do you realize that when people say things like that, they're saying it mostly to people who, by their own will, chose this game, because they thought it was better?
I don't jump on every guy that says "Hey, you know, I thought City of Heroes had much deeper story and better story arcs." But when it comes down to putting another game up on a pedestal and bashing the game you're playing, that's something entirely different.
Yes, I like Champions better. That's why I've been here for some four years, and not there this entire time. I do give praise to Champions, and when I do, it's not usually tagged along with "compared to City." I don't set out to constantly make comparisons of the two games.
And yes, I was an innocent party in those discussions. I never engaged in any of it. But I'm sure you're already made up your mind that I was a cruel instigator hell-bent on starting these "tribal" wars just to turn the channel into crap.
That's why I send them to the CoX channel. Questions and assistance are expected and welcome.
They have something in common there and can at least relate to some of the conversation.
Not playing in a playerless void is a good feeling, knowing you're not a total outsider is also an encouraging feeling.
When I get CoX refugees in team, they sometimes make a point to express their noobieness, their feeling of being an outsider and being uncertain if they can get into Champs because they don't know anything or anyone.
I give them a couple tips and get them to join CoX channel.
Even if these players never say a word to anyone, they are at least exposed to a game that has some conversation rolling while they solo dungeons or blip between alerts.
I think this thread has outlived its usefulness as a simple advertisement for the existence of the CoX channel. In fact... anyone tuning in at this point would probably wonder if all this drama is something they can expect in the CoX channel.
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I would say less advertising and more setting up a target to troll down.
Been a few heated discussions about the CoH spinoff projects.
I helped two guys in CoX get a team together for their first ever nemcon run (it was successful)
And nearly all the STO players have moved over to COX STO which is the chat channel setup so that Paragon Expeditionary Fleet and Arachnos Armada can talk to each other.
I have seen some of what Brou mentions where it's all good then someone says they miss somethig about City and then another person says something and it all spirals downhill. Usually a couple of us try to divert the discussion but it's not always successful.
But then again, I only log in rather late night, so during the prime time it could be a totally different place.
Also, threads like this are awesome, but I'm one of those people who enjoys watching things degenerate into chaos. It's really too bad a political discussion would never last more than a couple of pages, now that there's an "Off Topic" section, because those are the most fun to watch. :biggrin:
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Part of the problem since December, 2012.
MAybe it has been dieing down. If that is the case, I may look into joining the channel next time I am on.
Might as well give it a chance.
Same.
You can't judge a channel with a large population by one or two folks, even the most vocal ones.
I've noticed that this is a recurring topic on the forums lately, and I'm concerned by the perceived fissure between CoX folks and people who started with CO. I think we can all agree that we're fans of superhero MMOs and massive customization, and there ain't much more that matters.
Can I task the forums with some homework over the next few weeks? The next time there's a CoX/CO argument on the forums, can everyone take a step back and try to keep it from escalating? I don't want to see even a part of this community splinter, and I don't want to start having to shut down threads. I'd rather the solution come from players yourselves.