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Can tk blade users PvP?
breakneck17
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So as the title reads, basically I'm wondering if tk blades is a viable set in PvP? I mean I don't expect it to be the most uber set out there, but can it contend with the other builds used in PvP or should I just stick to PvE?
For my build I have:
Primary Stat: Dexterity
Secondary Stats: Constitution and Recovery
Attacks:
Ego Blade
Ego Weaponry (Siphoning Strikes)
Ego Blade Frenzy (Rank 2)
Ego Blade Breach (Rank 3)
Ego Blade Dash
Ego Blade Annihilation (Rank 2, Mental Acuity)
Passive:
Invulnerability (Rank 3)
Form:
Mental Discipline (Rank 2, ID Blades)
Actives:
Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
Masterful Dodge
Other Powers:
Evasive Maneuvers (Sleight of Mind)
Energy Shield (Rank 2, Laser Knight)
Bionic Shielding (Rank 2, Overloaded Circuits)
Ego Reverberation
For my build I have:
Primary Stat: Dexterity
Secondary Stats: Constitution and Recovery
Attacks:
Ego Blade
Ego Weaponry (Siphoning Strikes)
Ego Blade Frenzy (Rank 2)
Ego Blade Breach (Rank 3)
Ego Blade Dash
Ego Blade Annihilation (Rank 2, Mental Acuity)
Passive:
Invulnerability (Rank 3)
Form:
Mental Discipline (Rank 2, ID Blades)
Actives:
Ego Surge (Rank 2, Nimble Mind)
Masterful Dodge
Other Powers:
Evasive Maneuvers (Sleight of Mind)
Energy Shield (Rank 2, Laser Knight)
Bionic Shielding (Rank 2, Overloaded Circuits)
Ego Reverberation
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Most of TK bladers turned into single bladers, as the only noticeable difference is... 6k additionnal damage with Reaper's Embrace compared to Ego Blade Annihilation.
Then there's the matter of 'contending with other builds', the "other builds" don't look pretty at all, and I'm afraid you'll most likely regret it.
I had a single blade build for the character as it also played into the theme, it was set to land crits, apply a lot of bleeds and then exploit them with Devouring Essence, but that probably isn't PvP caliber either?
Edit:
Here's the build I was using when I had single blade
http://powerhouse.nullware.com/powerhouse.html?v=6&n=&d=1273a237GKPQ1s0P004C100C3049B03Q305A600P205DF00CE05DK03AG03AI01CI037G002W9Y1KVl42iK
Yes. It's that other mentality that you don't understand at all. The people who don't want to just settle into a nice cozy standard pvp build. I dunno, maybe some day you'll understand those people, but until then you'll just have to keep being bewildered that anyone would do that. If it helps you can just think of us as newbs
Some around here might try to convince you otherwise, but the general reality here is "theme = farmed". Basically, you can play the character you want so long as you don't mind getting killed a lot and not being able to kill anyone who adheres to the meta. It also helps if you kiss the butts of those that adhere to the meta, because then they might intentionally not target you.
Yeah, you have to make a lot of concessions if you're a theme builder, but in the end it's totally worth it.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
Lariats being crucial for bleeds since it's nearly impossible to stack them in melee range in PvP, you also get them to stack fast enough this way.
Based on INT and MSA instead of recovery, with all the cooldown on lariats, lunges and all, energy won't be a problem.
Conviction and BCR when retreating to heal yourself, INT playing a role in there since you don't get to waste your energy.
STR based for natural knock resistance, cost discount on melee powers, additionnal health points, crit severity, damage resistance. Crit chance might be lacking so you should mod your gear for as much crit chance as you can get, but you can eventually slot some DEX in there too.
Aspect of the Bestial will give you Enrage stacks whenever you cause bleeds, it also has no internal cooldown which means you can get to 8 stacks really fast.
Masterful Dodge and Ressurgence for all your survival needs and I left you Reaper's Caress with its AOE advantage since it's severly lacking in the build for the PvE side.
Seeing how the specs scale, I recommend leaving STR untouched, maxing the hell out of CON, and having a fair bit of INT like 180 or 200.
I fully understand why people want "theme" builds for RP purposes. But this is CO, where PvP and all other content and play styles don't mix. Duh.
Sorry but I have to disagree with to an extent. I highly disagree with the fact you are calling folks that decide NOT to go give in to the most commonly used powers as "newbies". Just on your other thread where I posted a video, I showed that it is capable of getting 5 kills using theme. And on "theme" subject, you're as farmable as you make yourself be. If you make yourself squishy, well yea, but if your super sturdy? Hmm, I think I also posted a vid on that too...
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
That right there is at the root of why you don't understand the mentality. It's not always about RP; in fact, I would imagine that the majority of the time it has nothing to do with RP. Not all people who use theme builds are RPers.
You seem to have misunderstood; I'm not calling anyone a newbie, or a noob. That's just the easiest way for people who don't understand anything but the "chase the meta" mentality to view people who don't chase the meta.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
I concede I may not understand your point as you have yet to clearly state anything (as usual.)
The very notion of "theme" implies RP, essentially. Most "theme" builds come with an extensive bio about their character, hence the implication. Most of these bio's are riddled with Gods, Ancient Dragons, Demons, Angels, Aliens, whatever -- and most of these bio's imply that these "theme's" are almighty uber max exxxtreme power level infinity, but unfortunately for their storytelling they get curb stomped in HG's played by their counterparts.
Do I need to understand what you are "trying" (without any definition of try) to say? No. And I don't care.
For what it's worth, theme to me just means that the character's powers and/or look work together in some sense. For instance, I have a big poo monster. He doesn't have gatling guns or ice grenades because, why would he have that? What he does have is a giant poo stick because, well, he's a poo monster. It's just about creating a character within some thematic limits, not just creating the most powerful character I can imagine.
And it's basically the reason I don't PvP in this game.
I took Wolverbomber builds to strange new levels.
I used a dice to choose what powers I have with Trouble
Heres how I did it.
Each time I got a new power I took 6 random powers that I could pick at that level assigned them a number 1 to 6 and rolled a dice. The power that came up I took even if it didn't make sense.
The only part of Trouble I pre Planned was her stats and thats the only part I am allowing myself to retcon at times.
Now if I can walk away with some points during a BASH with such a build surely a build that has a thought out theme should perform better.
Eye beams and Ice walls FTW \o/ ( I tend to ignore those two powers during a fight though :I )
*someone explain to newer players what The Wolverbomber was
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
The reason you don't perceive what it is that I'm saying is because it isn't important to you. Also, you seem to have a rather negative perception of role-players... irrelevant of course since I'm not talking about role players.
See, while you guys are busy trying to get the numbers as big and small as they can possibly be, there's other people here who just want to be creative in making characters; it's why they play champions online instead of "RPG where you look like everyone else".
It's not even always about the way the character or the powers look; sometimes it's just about wanting to play with the mechanics in a way that's personalized. They want to play their way, not "the only way", and if they can't then they'd rather just not participate.
To you that seems bizarre, maybe even immature or selfish, because you're willing to completely concede any notion of "looking a certain way" or "playing a certain way". To you, the only important thing is "what works".
You seem to be confused as to why I'm saying this, so I'll remind you that it's in response to this post of yours: "So if you can't use TKBlades, you won't even try to PvP or make a build better suited for PvP?" Wherein you display obvious bewilderment at what's going on.
Don't worry, I know you can't understand this. You can't even find a reason to want to understand this, because you're a winner, and winners don't need to understand. :biggrin:
I'm sure there's one thing we can agree on, and that's that losing constantly is no fun.
EDIT- interesting thought. You and those "im a god" RPers actually aren't so different. They don't make interesting characters and just try to "build" the strongest possible character they can too, they just do it in the bio screen, while you do it in the powers screen :P
^ this stuff
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
Build for your relative goal.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I think "not getting steamrolled the moment anyone with a half decent build randomly targets you" is a universal goal... maybe. :biggrin:
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
This is...amazing. Probably the best thing I've ever read on these forums.
I can see why you might find this twist on words delightful, especially if you are not a PvPer. But the difference between those two generalizations are quite vast. One "group" utilize fantasy to illustrate how "strong" they are while the other "group" utilize power combinations and skill to prove how "strong" they are.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Nope, your advice was actually very helpful and I'm still deciding on what I want to do, but I thank you for being the only person here who's actually answered my question :biggrin:
As for everything else going on in here. I'm not looking for the best build, and I'm not looking to god mode in RP. I'm an actual experienced RP'er who knows how to do such xD I only go with theme to fit the CHARACTER and yes, I might be seeking a potential PvP build for one of those characters, but that doesn't mean I plan to god mode. It's a matter of most people who RP in Champions god mode through RP so I chose the route that if they wunna fight, they can do it through dueling even if that is broken too, but at least it's more decidable compared to the "Oh I'm god and I can brush off any of your attacks, but I'm only level 6" role players.
I actually tried this once too, my character was challenged by someone in RP, we dueled and I lost so my character lost... Oh well, it happens... RP goes on.
Called it :biggrin:
And good for you. Fight them with a thoughtful selection of effective powers that fit your "theme", and kick their bio's in the face.
But wait... new mystery. Which "pvp" SG is the RPers that started this whole thing?
Edit: Another interesting thought. Who is stronger... the person who steps into BASH with an obvious pvp build, or the person who steps into BASH with a build they know isn't optimized but who competes anyway?
I mean, we know who's "stronger", but who's stronger?
Mystery after mystery...
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
People want to attach themselves to the character they play, it gives them a reason to log with them, play with them, show themselves and their powers in the middle of RC1 and sometimes you get to prime epic encounters, and even with what people know of me, all the characters I have do have a place in the Champs' universe, for my part I can't help it.
Back in the days I've always enjoyed fighting Macro with R.H.I.N.O., what was more epic than a huge law enforcement robot and an oversized wolf literally bashing eachother, often launching ourselves across the map with Roomsweepers and Haymakers, the spectacle value was incredible, something you'd want to watch rather than a bunch of people dressed like nonsense beast-like monsters (or bare chest boys, something I've noticed lately) snapping fingers and tossing stuff, eventually airstrikes.
Um... No it's not a crusade at all. Just want a PvP-ish build should a fight in RP ever happen. Perhaps you should actually read the words that were typed
This is a computer game. It too, is a fantasy. Most popular power combinations in PvP aren't the result of experience or skill, they're the same thing everyone else is doing. A small group of people innovate, everyone else replicates. Some people like to make their characters unbeatable simply by virtue of their imagination. Others strive to make their characters unbeatable via the game's rules. They are in fact, very similar. One is a good deal more pathetic to me, but that's because it involves writing a few things instead of actually playing. But, neither are how I want to play.
I should add though, that the two categories are not mutually exclusive. Many of the "god of everything" type RP characters are in fact not level 6s who never do anything, they are level 40 pvp oriented builds with power trays full of the usual suspects.
I read a thing where someone talked about how much joy they get out of beating up RPers... seemed pretty cut and dry to me.
I prefer Shaguars personally... they beat up pvpers who talk to much, and that's something I can respect. Beating up people for how they role-play... that's just... weird.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
For me Role play in Champions Online on is inviting a few buddies to my hideout and playing the PnP game via the medium of the game. Skype is used so we can see the dice rolls. It works very well. Much fun is had.
I dont know what I see in the Club these days but it aint The Champions Role Playing game.
It more like Dawson's Creek with furries.
Sorry for any offense given I am just a bit of a role playing purest ._.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Wow... You really just like to twist words don't you? I never once said I enjoy beating up on role players. I simply said should a fight in the RP happen that I now prefer it to be settled through dueling instead of role play due to god moders. Did you understand that time? :biggrin:
You should check out the thread you're posting in... and also check who I'm actually responding to when I post things. If you step in the way of a dodgeball, don't try to act bothered when it hits you in the face.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.