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Dexterity tree's Brush it Off

selpheaselphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User
edited January 2015 in Power Discussion
What does it do exactly? It says
Increases your chance to Dodge AoE attacks by 10%

Well I had 92% Dodge from LR + EM + getting hit twice in a row. Blocked Gravitar's Force Det for 1.9k, with no dodge :confused:

Sounds more like 10 Dodge Rating to me or something :S
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  • falchoinfalchoin Posts: 383 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Hmm, it sounds like it's not a flat 10% -or- Gravi's bubbles aren't properly tagged as AoE. Sounds like more testing is needed to determine the cause. A controlled duel with someone spamming a known properly tagged AoE (should show in tooltip, and can verify by testing against pets w/ the I'm A Pet! AoE resist buff) should show whether it's a tagging issue or a case of tooltip mismatch.
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  • honestresearcherhonestresearcher Posts: 657 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Iv always known this specialisation to not be working...thus avoid.
  • shigashiga Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    My guess is either:

    1) AoE dodge is an invisible stat hidden from site, but tied into avoidance in some way.

    2) Does not work on certain NPCs

    The passive DOES work as intended, and it is quite noticeable. The problem is that it seems to only work on certain NPCs. Most named villains (Poe, Grav, etc) get around this passive, but trash mobs don't get around it.

    This is from personal experience.
  • smoochansmoochan Posts: 2,564 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    honestresearcher wrote: »
    Iv always known this specialisation to not be working...thus avoid.

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  • agentnx5agentnx5 Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    shiga wrote: »
    My guess is either:

    1) AoE dodge is an invisible stat hidden from site, but tied into avoidance in some way.

    2) Does not work on certain NPCs

    The passive DOES work as intended, and it is quite noticeable. The problem is that it seems to only work on certain NPCs. Most named villains (Poe, Grav, etc) get around this passive, but trash mobs don't get around it.

    This is from personal experience.

    It only works on Master Villains and under as I recall.

    Like Find the Mark, it's not working properly.

    There are many specializations which are incorrectly described, and a few such as Brush It Off and Find The Mark which are outright broken. Still others such as Wither and Vulnerability that work but don't really show that.

    And you wonder why I sound like a broken record on the forums going on about bug fixes...
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  • taintedmesstaintedmess Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    agentnx5 wrote: »
    It only works on Master Villains and under as I recall.

    Like Find the Mark, it's not working properly.

    There are many specializations which are incorrectly described, and a few such as Brush It Off and Find The Mark which are outright broken. Still others such as Wither and Vulnerability that work but don't really show that.

    And you wonder why I sound like a broken record on the forums going on about bug fixes...

    Dose a list exist some where of the spec trees that are broke or don't work as advertised its getting rather annoying discovering 1 or more specs I've invested points in is busted on a character and that I'm going to have to at some point remove all my specs just to fix it :(
  • gamehobogamehobo Posts: 1,970 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    taintedmess wrote: »
    Dose a list exist some where of the spec trees that are broke or don't work as advertised its getting rather annoying discovering 1 or more specs I've invested points in is busted on a character and that I'm going to have to at some point remove all my specs just to fix it :(
    Please make one.
  • selpheaselphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    If you take all your SSes and Talents first, you can redo all your specs for free when you click the Remove Free button.
  • jimhsuajimhsua Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    As of 1/11/2015, Brush it Off does not appear to be working.

    Test conditions:
    - DEX: 2/2 brush it off
    - Base dodge chance: 10%
    - Optionally: Elusive 2/2 (Warden) was taken to verify that certain attacks are tagged correctly as AOE.
    - Defense: 26% + Regen (health stayed at 100%, so assume 30%).
    - Test location: Westside prison. Why? Because of this:

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    Let's verify that these attacks are tagged properly as AOE (http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=268561&page=2 if you need an explanation of what's going on):

    Motolov Cocktail Throw (AOE):

    Undodged, with 2/2 Elusive:
    135/(1+0.26+0.3)/(1+0.2) = 72.1 (73)

    Dodged (20% avoidance), with 2/2 Elusive:
    108/(1+0.26+0.3)/(1+0.2)*0.8 = 46.2 (47)


    Burn Patch (AOE):

    Undodged, with 2/2 Elusive:
    13/(1+0.26+0.3)/(1+.2) = 6.9 (7)

    Dodged (20% avoidance), with 2/2 Elusive:
    12/(1+0.26+0.3)/(1+.2)*.8 = 5.1 (5)


    Glass Bottle Throw (ST control):

    Undodged, with 2/2 Elusive (doesn't work for ST):
    54/(1+0.26+0.3) = 34.6 (35)

    Dodged (20% avoidance), with 2/2 Elusive (doesn't work for ST):
    54/(1+0.26+0.3)*0.8 = 27.7 (28)


    Now for dodge:

    Type Duration Damage BaseDamage Hits Dodged Hits DodgePerc
    Burn Patch 1817 24483 48185 4987 548 10.99%
    Glass Bottle Throw 1817 155871 243937 4904 486 9.91%
    Molotov Cocktail Throw 1817 34633 65063 652 67 10.28%

    Burn Patch (AOE):
    Chi-square: 5.415
    P-value: 0.02

    Motolov Cocktail Throw (AOE):
    Chi-square: 0.3371
    P-value: 0.5424

    Thus so far, there is insufficient evidence to convince me that Brush it Off does anything at all. The Burn Patch result is somewhat interesting, but the amount of dodge provided is nowhere near 10%.

    TODO: Does the spec affect dodge rating instead?
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,858 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Hm, interesting. Since ya had a large enough sample size here, the only issue I see is that the dmg range on some of the abilities is so low on the npc attacks that there could be overlap between the dmg spread for the normal vs. dodged hits. Its just a technicality, though- the AoE results are still very close to the base 10% dodge rate to give strong credence to Brush It Off not working properly.

    Dex PSS's first tier has never been that great, but this just makes it even worse :p
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  • jimhsuajimhsua Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    flowcyto wrote: »
    Hm, interesting. Since ya had a large enough sample size here, the only issue I see is that the dmg range on some of the abilities is so low on the npc attacks that there could be overlap between the dmg spread for the normal vs. dodged hits. Its just a technicality, though- the AoE results are still very close to the base 10% dodge rate to give strong credence to Brush It Off not working properly.

    Dex PSS's first tier has never been that great, but this just makes it even worse :p

    Thankfully this is not a concern because damage reported in combat logs is flagged as dodge/block/critical, eliminating the need to do any pre-filtering.

    I will say though that these experiments over the past few weeks are making their way into a few respecs for my builds. Incremental improvement is the name of the game now.
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 12,858 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    jimhsua wrote: »
    I will say though that these experiments over the past few weeks are making their way into a few respecs for my builds. Incremental improvement is the name of the game now.

    Yeah pretty much- once I step away form other games I'll prob look into some of my (numerous) old builds too. Though the sad part is that this is all over things that are bugged.

    I dun mind making corrections to builds cause of a misjudgement- that's on the user. But when its cause something actually isn't working as advertised.. well, the blame goes back to Cryptic, but the user still takes the fall.

    frustrating
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