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People say theres too many villains in CO...
nepht
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....well heres why. All the best costume unlocks are dark grim glowey things you give a 12 year old a dark grim demon head he WILL make a radiant called DEATH HEAL ( based on true events ). And yes before the grim darks start going blah blah blah your a hero snob , sorry to disappoint Nepht is a villain 
What this game needs is more uber cool golden age heroic costume bits.
If everybody has evil toons I wont have anyone to fight :I
What this game needs is more uber cool golden age heroic costume bits.
If everybody has evil toons I wont have anyone to fight :I
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I'd rather have more silver age stuff. But yeah, in a game supposedly about superheroes, there's a pretty large amount of evil monster stuff. Disproportionate to what I'm used to seeing in comics... Not sure how evil-monster-saturated comics are these days.
And on the notion that "People say theres too many villains in CO...", they've completely wrong, because there is no Villain side in CO, which should be in there in every single supers MMO in existence.
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Demon Knight? Dark Demon Armor? Beast Heads (including them vampires)? Dark Fantasy Armor? Cursed Everything Stuff? Harajuku Girl?
In both cases, I used a few "villain" costume pieces to bring out the backstory in a visual way.
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Its not the name of the costume piece, its how you use it :biggrin:
(also, beast heads are not evil, and Harajuku girls are not evil unless you dress your toon all in Harajuku pieces with the pigtails hair, then start flashing the Harajuku emotes in MC Ren Center)
If there were only one set of "evil" costume parts, you would see just as many of these grimdark characters.
People like making them.
Also, Harajuku girls are just plain evil.
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Yes, but it's disproportionate to what I see in comics, when I compare to Champions players. If the amount of redeemed demon (redeemoned?) and similar "evil" stuff were proportionate to the comics, I think we'd see a lot less of them.
I would say Beast Heads are indeed evil. Monster vampires, Qliphothic Demon heads... Come on, you're not gonna sit there and tell me that a beast head of a demon that comes from the Champions equivalent of Hell (at least I think it is) is not evil.
I tend to prefer the "powerful" look for my male characters, though I will admit that my female characters tend towards the "cute" side of things. That may have to do with me designing the male characters but my wife designing the females...
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Needs more Leifield.
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Yeah I get that (and trust me, we've had his debate before), but if you look at the C Store, the costume sets are all pretty much "neutral" or leaning toward evil. Tights aren't heroic in and of themselves. The "Shining Knight" set is hardly anything other than metal armor, nothing to signify good in any way.
If we had, say, some kind of Super Cop set, or some Angelic Costume set (I know we have stuff like this in non C Store stuff), that would be cool. But there's nothing really there that urges the making of "heroic" stuff.
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Wheres a dog to save this fishy from the big mean cat.
Oh wait you slapped them away...I see your plan.
I do like both the 'gritty' and the 'bright' costume sets...But take a glance to the number of parts you get. You get a ton of different pieces in, say, the Demon Armour set, but with the tech tights? Yeah, five pieces. Wee.
I'm totally up for more bright pieces though. I'm sure I could make use of them for something.
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Those and...white aura.
So we need less feet and more pouches?
A Leifielded Vixen stance would require non-euclidean geometry and that might break some video cards.
Ok, so my wolf demon samurai has a red and black color scheme but that's sorta the standard for that sort of armor but he is not a redeemed demon! He was never evil in the first place... and has always been rather heroic... sort of a Worf with a tail... alright, so I have one "dark"-ish by reputation only character, the rest are quite whimsical, like the one designed around the Harajuku minigun. Teddy bears and heavy weapons! What could be cuter!
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I said aura, not eye sore. =b
That is truly evil!!!
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You said "Beast Heads (including them vampires)" which implies that all beast heads (including them vampires) are evil. But beast heads includes animal heads as well as some "monster" heads that could potentially be used to make non-moster toons (maybe aliens or animal-hybrids that don't have the full head of an animal, but something in between humanoid and beast).
That's because stuff that's considered "evil" is just stereotypical "scary" looking stuff, while "good" can be anything "neutral" painted light colors (or just any color, but worn by good guys). And there is faaaaaar more "neutral" (potentially good) stuff at the store than there is "evil/creepy/scary" stuff.
An "angel" is just a humanoid with light colored bird wings and silver/gold colored armor or white tunic, which we already have.
Oh, I didn't mention beast heads as a general term. I was mentioning C Store packs. The Beast Heads one comes with the Qliphothic Demon guy and huge-jawed vampires. Demons and vampires, by and large, are evil.
That's like saying "We already have werewolf heads, so we don't need any more." Vampire heads, full-body fur, naturally-protruding spikes and horns (oh boy do we have spikes and horns!). If they stopped making costumes just because "we already have" out costume creator would be tiny.
They've put lots of effort into bringing us evil and neutral stuff, yet the "good" stuff is fairly tiny in comparison. Where's my Scales of Justice Heavy Weapon, huh?
Evil monsters not so much not so nice looking good guys oh there's loads for example of the 8 titles im reading currently every one has atleast one "monsterus" character in the line up amnd one book is all about the "monsterus" character.
With that said I would say by and large the monsterus bits we do get are pretty specific and dont lend them selves to creating one of looking characters for example the vampire face are all pretty boring tho the new werewolf face they did was pretty smart.
But at least this game here still shows respect for the good old tights! Have you seen how chars look over in DCUO? I'll tell you: Tights are for lowies there, while nearly all the strong, high-level veterans wear MASSIVE armor. :rolleyes:
I actually agree with you on that. Aside from the likes of Spawn, the Iron Age wasn't all that dark. The majority of Iron Age heroes wore simply colorful tights with lots and lots of accessories slapped on, not dark full body armor. In fact, really grimdark stories and armored costumes are more a thing of the Modern Age (which I like to call the "Steel Age" for that reason).
Yeah, the huge jawed vampire heads are hard to pull of any anything other than monsters. But the ones from the more recent vamp/werewolf pack could potentially be used for hybrids and such.
Spikes and horns aren't necessarily evil, and I didn't say we can't have more, I only said we have more "neutral/potentially good" than creepy/"evil". And what exactly constitudes a "good" costume anyways? All I could think of was embroidered robes, armor and tabards. But that could be argued to be potentially "neutral" too.
Technically spikes aren't "evil" but people with horns on their heads, usually thought of as devilish/demon-like. Spikes coming out of all sorts of places as well. That, or, untamed animals using them for self defense.
Good costumes? I wasn't kidding about the scales of justice! Okay, half kidding. MCPD-branded stuff would be nice. If PRIMUS and UNTIL had costumes that were unique for them, it would be nice to get their pieces, like how we get All the villain unlocks. Where's the good guy unlocks?
I guess that's probably a problem. None of the good organizations (that come to mind, at least) have distinctive looking costumes. VIPER does, as do PSI, and others, but PRIMUS and UNTIL are so generic looking.
Anyway the point is that you don't need costumes that you look at and say "Hey that looks like good and justice personified!" but rather costumes that emulate the look of the good guys in the game.
Seriously, who the heck wants to make a New Purple Gang character?
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It's a plastic bag! No, a bird! No.. it's.. a FLYING CHRISTMAS TREE!
Besides I don't mind some dark things as long as it's not blatantly represented such as that dark demon ninja werewolf assassin demi-god vampire half angel with Therakiel Wings, a hood and Dark Aura.
I'm looking at the bios. And struggle, trying to not send a duel request and roomsweep some faces when I'm seeing such blasphemies such as 'Has assassinated millions of people, don't get in his way unless you want to be part of them.'
I think spawn is a really bad example, as those chains and skulls are used to represent the pact he made with an evil being and his generally dark background and story; none of which is classically heroic.
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Yeah, I mostly just added that to tease Smackwell by posting a link to a 90s hero :biggrin:
Oh my god, Pouch Headband and Pouch Choker with Telepathy Now Pouch powers.
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This man does not speak for all of us. My blades should be lined with micro-pouches that are filled with even more blades. The body and face sliders should have an option to combine them all into one long line, the further to the right you go the more Liefeldian (that's a word now, shush) your character becomes. Breakaway Shot should have an advantage that places a satchel charge on the ground that explodes.
I may be stretching the joke a bit thin on that last one.
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Penitent was a mortal mage, many centuries ago. He had been enslaved by Takofanes the Undying, and labored under his master until he forgot who he had ever been. During the last Blood Moon, however, while Takofanes was distracted and his grip weakened, Penitent broke free. He now seeks to atone for all the sins he committed during his enslavement.
He is by no means "redeemed" - he's not even sure that's an option at this point - but if atonement is possible, he seeks that.
And he's not some ultimate bada**, who can drop people with a glance, or a Lord of Hell who was thrown out for scaring Satan, or anything stupid like that - in fact, he's still pretty weak, as he readjusts to the mortal realm.
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Well played.
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Some costume pieces are awesome but belong to villain groups and there arent enough of them...like PSI. Because of the way that mentalist are represented in CO which tends to be that they are evil, cause there arent any in game "good" signature telepaths (by signature I mean like Champs etc) only the few telepaths around in game are characters, hence using PSI pieces makes us look like PSI in some instances
I think there just needs to be more in the way of hero costumes. But I'm fine making heroes with the way things are...
Its just difficult to keep an extremely powerful telepath on the good side of things when Cryptic stop her from using the powers she wants...so she decided to help PSI and force heroes to do some mean things >:)
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We need (and I have asked for this before) a KIRBYesque costume set.
Or better yet, Character Creator TWO! With scalable/tileable/rotable emblems/symbols with some user uploadable (pending approval, because you know...)
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Or those:
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Pretty much the only similar things are nephilim/therakiel ones, and they are not exactly transparent, tech, or angelic. Neither are readily available.
I wouldn't mind more neutral costume sets with more tights patterns, especially making full use of all channel colors. I'm not very keen on spikes, blades and fantasy armors since even if my toons are villainous I'd like them still looking like a comic book characters.
We could use more tights patterns and neutral looking light armor parts for both villains and heroes.
The only villain on my roster isn't even magical one, since I thought that supernatural villains are overdone.
And the only demonic character on my roster is also modern age tights wearer, despite her horns and wings.
And even my mages are supposed to look more like an actual comic book characters than anything else, though first one is a bit gritty.
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