Kaisern I truly respect your ability to make endgame builds. But when offering options on how telepathy can work.. PLEASE actually use the builds. Telepathy is not a set that works on a hypothetical level.. it must be actioned to see how bad it is. For instance using Telepathy Pets should be great pet-master damage hypothetically.. then you see how immobile or slow they are in combat. Using Holds on paper is an awesome ability but it's overwrought with bugs and based on a single player system. Using Telepathy heals is great on paper until you are on a team and realize single player heals are suck in comparison to their counterparts. Telepath builds are not something that can be understood in theory but rather in practice.
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To your specific build if I may offer some advice:
If you're using manipulator then you want INT as your primary stat to get the specialization tree for INT and thus use the greater hold strength. If you do not plan on having a substantial amount of INT or PRE then taking manipulator is a bad idea (in comparison to its alternative toggle forms).
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I am saying this from experience with the set... ALOT of it. I have run a version of this build (the best telepathy build available in my opinion) and it is still a major bust in comparison. If your rationale to me is to make telepathy a ranged damage set then I will always point to how using TK is simply a better choice. And if I wanted Ranged TK I would play Ranged TK. The FIRST major tip I have to anyone trying to maximize the ability of current telepathy is to choose Seraphim; it is the only passive buffing your damage abilities available in support role. IF you are statting PRE then a sorcery aura is also a good option.
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Ultimately, Here's the dilemma.. if you've only played a telepath build you get it to the point where it's acceptable (never amazeballz) to play. But if you then play ANY other type of build and you realize how much you have sucked.. then the choice comes:
The build you posted is great. I think it's rude to criticize people's builds but I will say this:
Doing a Ranged Ego damage build is comparable to doing other Ranged Damage builds (Ice, Fire, Etc). But if you are doing ranged a ranged ego damage build you are (in my opinion) essentially making a ranged TK build not telepathy. 6 of 14 (13 if you skip EB) powers are out of set and of the telepathy powers taken you areare gimping yourself by taking telepathy choices versus a larger damage or utility counterpart.
Holds are weaker
Heals are weaker
Mobility is less
Damage is less (TK assault vs Ego Blast)
Cyrone, you know I love you. But IF players wanted telepathy to be a reskinned ranged-damage set they would have asked for that and been satisfied with Ranged TK. Count me as one of the many who after April 21, 2011 was majorly disappointed.
I am complaining about rotten apples and you are telling me how delicious oranges can be.
P.S. - Your manipulator must suck pretty major without building for PRE nor INT. You are likely much better served using Concentration (EGO) or Compassion (REC)
P.P.S. - Correct me if I'm wrong but Telepathic Reverb only works when a hold is successful making Mind Opener another self gimp to all boss fights so your base damage goes down substantially
It's supposed to be Pre, not Dex. I forgot to change that when I redesigned the build. Able to get a 5 sec stun going on Maelstrom, so it's not in the range of "suck".
Keep in mind that I'm a themed builder. Kr'anri is from a primitive psionic species (captured by Qularr and ended up on Earth during that invasion) so her abilities are not going to be as refined as TK, so I chose Telepathy attacks.
I get that my level of control effects and healing effects won't be as high as say a hybrid or support role character but I just can't see this character outside Range DPS role. That and she's fun to play and just walk into groups of mobs, stunning, holding, sleeping stragglers and just mowing everything down.
I'll edit that build post to the correct stats to prevent further confusion.
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
^This, if by function well you define it as some powers not being up to scratch/flat out not working on high end bosses then sure, because Dragon's Claw doesnt work on higher than Enforcer does it?:rolleyes:
As Cyrone has demonstrated a telepathy build can be done but the aspect of control or telepathy as a predominantly control set has sort of been ruined. You can try and run a crowd control build, but it will not compare well to other builds necessarily in terms of usefulness in high end game combat and instances.
Powers which are tagged Confuse, Placate or maintained holds...are to be used with caution and also be aware of the incapacitates system and what that means for maintained holds, also remember that confuses and placates dont work on higher level than Enforcer level. So basically Alert Mobs are your highest threshold really.
The nay saying isnt so much to dissuade people from using telepathy, but it is rather bringing awareness to how the set has been "modified" to suit certain needs/wants and how it compares to other powersets. Over modification has lead to its current state.
There WAS a chance for it to be in the runnings to be a useful set, but those plans were pulled off the PTS 5 months ago. Granted the powers were damage heavy (too damage heavy) but what telepathy wanted the most, i.e. a passive and AoE Paralyze were included in the things removed. Which is a source of anger for myself...which has lead to me not being able to play my main in the desired way which I planned, for 5 months.
So, to cut a long QQ post short: Yes, you can try to run a pure telepath build. It's not optimal at all since most of the powers have been rendered largely irrelevant by Cryptic & Friends (whoever they may be). Others will tell you that running telepathy builds with out of set passives works, yes this is true, but for me and a few others telepathy is a support set which should remain that way. With it's healing outshined by Celestial Powerset and CC capabilities severely diminished..it leaves much left to be desired. If you want to run a successful support role telepath, Seraphim passive is advised.
People who think telepathy isn't bad either
A) Have ONLY used telepathy and have no baseline for comparison. Have NEVER used telepathy and have no baseline for comparison.
C) Are liars.
Sure you CAN get by most of the game with the powers given to you. But why even bother when you have things like epidemic or 2GM that CLEARLY out class your best powers. Nothing about this set stands out. Ego sprites is probably your best damage option, and that is just pathetic. Ego storm is decent if you don't mind the recharge. Even the heals leave a lot to be desired, being single target only. Half of the mechanics in the set don't work with a lot of the content in the game, and the ones that do are just bad.
And who cares if it's on the schedule to get a review or if there even is a schedule? If something is as bad as this exists, it needs to get fixed. I don't care who, what, where and why it gets done, only that it does soon. I used to think Celestial was bad, but at least several of my powers are usable, even in PvP.
In a game with so little emphasis on control abilities, a set rife with them really and truly NEEDS this review. Not only are so many control abilities outright useless against the enemies you'd really need them for, but in a team environment, any benefit they'd provide would be irrelevant as the rest of the team would break such holds with their attacks.
I just hope that the review is completed soon, as there are many people itching to realize their various telepathic concepts...
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People who think telepathy isn't bad either
A) Have ONLY used telepathy and have no baseline for comparison. Have NEVER used telepathy and have no baseline for comparison.
C) Are liars.
Sure you CAN get by most of the game with the powers given to you. But why even bother when you have things like epidemic or 2GM that CLEARLY out class your best powers. Nothing about this set stands out. Ego sprites is probably your best damage option, and that is just pathetic. Ego storm is decent if you don't mind the recharge. Even the heals leave a lot to be desired, being single target only. Half of the mechanics in the set don't work with a lot of the content in the game, and the ones that do are just bad.
And who cares if it's on the schedule to get a review or if there even is a schedule? If something is as bad as this exists, it needs to get fixed. I don't care who, what, where and why it gets done, only that it does soon. I used to think Celestial was bad, but at least several of my powers are usable, even in PvP.
People who think telepathy isn't bad either
A) Have ONLY used telepathy and have no baseline for comparison. Have NEVER used telepathy and have no baseline for comparison.
C) Are liars.
Sure you CAN get by most of the game with the powers given to you. But why even bother when you have things like epidemic or 2GM that CLEARLY out class your best powers. Nothing about this set stands out. Ego sprites is probably your best damage option, and that is just pathetic. Ego storm is decent if you don't mind the recharge. Even the heals leave a lot to be desired, being single target only. Half of the mechanics in the set don't work with a lot of the content in the game, and the ones that do are just bad.
And who cares if it's on the schedule to get a review or if there even is a schedule? If something is as bad as this exists, it needs to get fixed. I don't care who, what, where and why it gets done, only that it does soon. I used to think Celestial was bad, but at least several of my powers are usable, even in PvP.
Believe what you will. I'll continue to rock the game with a high dps and moderate *reactive* control telepath.
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
The opening post in this thread is an excellent example of that point.
Riiight... Telepathy's "review" has totally happened and crowd control is totally viable.. and none of the dates/updates I provided are backed up with fact.
Because lies are often cited facts.:rolleyes:
I was wondering why I couldn't go to sleep.. I tried to count sheep, but all the ewe were missing.. when I went to check on them it seemed they all had some forced entry of the internets. It seems the Ewe have all been ******. I see now it was you.
Riiight... Telepathy's "review" has totally happened and crowd control is totally viable.. and none of the dates/updates I provided are backed up with fact.
Because lies are often cited facts.:rolleyes:
I was wondering why I couldn't go to sleep.. I tried to count sheep, but all the ewe were missing.. when I went to check on them it seemed they all had some forced entry of the internets. It seems the Ewe have all been ******. I see now it was you.
I stole your sheep! They're warm and fluffy. :biggrin:
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
I stole your sheep! They're warm and fluffy. :biggrin:
Taking abused sheep.. you are either a saint or a sadist. I think Ashen was one sadist too many for those poor poor innocent animals. Another would truly be a tragedy.
People who think telepathy isn't bad either
A) Have ONLY used telepathy and have no baseline for comparison. Have NEVER used telepathy and have no baseline for comparison.
C) Are liars.
Sure you CAN get by most of the game with the powers given to you. But why even bother when you have things like epidemic or 2GM that CLEARLY out class your best powers. Nothing about this set stands out. Ego sprites is probably your best damage option, and that is just pathetic. Ego storm is decent if you don't mind the recharge. Even the heals leave a lot to be desired, being single target only. Half of the mechanics in the set don't work with a lot of the content in the game, and the ones that do are just bad.
And who cares if it's on the schedule to get a review or if there even is a schedule? If something is as bad as this exists, it needs to get fixed. I don't care who, what, where and why it gets done, only that it does soon. I used to think Celestial was bad, but at least several of my powers are usable, even in PvP.
Hero 1: "You know..I wonder what ever happened to those telepathic heroes we used to know...you heard from any of them since the villains upped their antics and we had to all be On Alert more often?"
Hero 2: "You mean those telepaths who used to lockdown enemies on the battle field?"
Hero 1: "Yeah, those ones, Mentella, Kontrol and others...I havent heard from them in a while.."
Hero 2: "Well ever since Dr. Destroyer used the Neuro-Nuke, most of them died off, it severely dampened their abilities and it even killed some telepaths..I saw Mentella recently and Kontrol but neither of them are around much anymore..."
Hero 1: "So...there are hardly any more telepaths left in the whole world? Damn...I wonder when the effects of the Neuro-Nuke will wear off..."
Hero 2: "Probably when the Cryptic Overlord, empowers them again, but it seems that it ain't happening any time soon..."
Hero 1: "Damn I feel sorry for them, looks like they'll have to use less tailored attacks until they can be re powered..."
Hero 2: "Oh well, sucks to be them LOL!"
Hero 1: " YEAH LOOOOOOOOOOOL!"
*Hero 1 and Hero 2 fly off*
Telepath 1: *hiding in the bushes* Soooon....well..hopefully anyway...
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Just a little laugh I thought I'd add in :biggrin:
Hero 1: "You know..I wonder what ever happened to those telepathic heroes we used to know...you heard from any of them since the villains upped their antics and we had to all be On Alert more often?"
Hero 2: "You mean those telepaths who used to lockdown enemies on the battle field?"
Hero 1: "Yeah, those ones, Mentella, Kontrol and others...I havent heard from them in a while.."
Hero 2: "Well ever since Dr. Destroyer used the Neuro-Nuke, most of them died off, it severely dampened their abilities and it even killed some telepaths..I saw Mentella recently and Kontrol but neither of them are around much anymore..."
Hero 1: "So...there are hardly any more telepaths left in the whole world? Damn...I wonder when the effects of the Neuro-Nuke will wear off..."
Hero 2: "Probably when the Cryptic Overlord, empowers them again, but it seems that it ain't happening any time soon..."
Hero 1: "Damn I feel sorry for them, looks like they'll have to use less tailored attacks until they can be re powered..."
Hero 2: "Oh well, sucks to be them LOL!"
Hero 1: " YEAH LOOOOOOOOOOOL!"
*Hero 1 and Hero 2 fly off*
Telepath 1: *hiding in the bushes* Soooon....well..hopefully anyway...
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Just a little laugh I thought I'd add in :biggrin:
I take it the two heroes having this discussion aren't aware of the Prosythian telepath Kr'anri due to these two major reasons:
1) She's fairly new to Earth
2) She's unable to project thoughts in any known language
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
Yup! But when they DO see her in action, they will be like ZOMGNESS! And make a new movie about it...
The Last Telepath - Starring Kr'anri the Prosythian!
*pre-orders tickets before the script is ever written*
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
While not truely alternate effects on immune targets, it's possible to use the spec trees for other effects when using stun/paralyze/incapacitate powers. Things like reducing enemy resists, damage or my personal favorite... heal on hit (sentinel mastery). Sentinel Mastery + Ego Sleep + Ego Sprites is like free energy and healing for telepaths using Telepathic Reverberation even against legendary+ mobs.
While not truely alternate effects on immune targets, it's possible to use the spec trees for other effects when using stun/paralyze/incapacitate powers. Things like reducing enemy resists, damage or my personal favorite... heal on hit (sentinel mastery). Sentinel Mastery + Ego Sleep + Ego Sprites is like free energy and healing for telepaths using Telepathic Reverberation even against legendary+ mobs.
I take issue with this suggestion. Nothin against you Falchoin.
Debuffing is NOT buffing.
If I choose a debuffing toon I don't want to be forced into buffing.
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NOW there are MANY threads about the "viability" of telepathy and "crowd control".. this is not that thread.
THIS thread was made to empathize the "delay' of something so fundamental as 1 of 24 Power Frameworks being CONSISTENTLY "delayed" from fix.
While I understand that there two arguments are different I do not wish to re-start the argument of whether or not telepathy is a viable set. The devs have themselves acknowledged that is not. Should you want to argue this point there is another thread.
Conversely, IF you are in this thread to talk about the systemic "delay" of telepathy and its merits (right or wrong) I truly desire to hear from you
While not truely alternate effects on immune targets, it's possible to use the spec trees for other effects when using stun/paralyze/incapacitate powers. Things like reducing enemy resists, damage or my personal favorite... heal on hit (sentinel mastery). Sentinel Mastery + Ego Sleep + Ego Sprites is like free energy and healing for telepaths using Telepathic Reverberation even against legendary+ mobs.
Ok lets be honest, even the damage debuffs are bad. Someone with chest beam can do the same thing while also being able to kill entire mobs in one shot and do real damage to bosses. ONE POWER just out classed 2/3 of this power set, not to mention you can use other powers while its going.
And this is the usual situation when using the combo you mentioned:
A) They are immune to ego sleep. Someone with Hurricane comes and insta-kills everyone before you finish charging ego sleep.
Sure it can work but it is so weak, even if your not min/maxing. Not to mention how much specializations you have routed away from damage and everything else. I know the main goal of a controller isn't damage but that doesn't mean they shouldn't do any.
I do not wish to re-start the argument of whether or not telepathy is a viable set.
Of course you don't, because you've been screaming that it isn't forever now on the forums, in game and on facebook (despite it being demonstrably more than viable) as ammunition for pushing for a massive telepathy pass. I wouldn't want that argument either if I were in your shoes.
Ok lets be honest, even the damage debuffs are bad. Someone with chest beam can do the same thing while also being able to kill entire mobs in one shot and do real damage to bosses. ONE POWER just out classed 2/3 of this power set, not to mention you can use other powers while its going.
And this is the usual situation when using the combo you mentioned:
A) They are immune to ego sleep. Someone with Hurricane comes and insta-kills everyone before you finish charging ego sleep.
Sure it can work but it is so weak, even if your not min/maxing. Not to mention how much specializations you have routed away from damage and everything else. I know the main goal of a controller isn't damage but that doesn't mean they shouldn't do any.
I'm not going to get into a detailed dissection of this out of respect for Jaybezz's thread (despite me poking fun at him from time to time) but the above assertion is a little "off". I just watched a certain player go into trainspotting last night and lockdown damn near the entire map and kill everything. This player was almost doing the map solo and they were doing it with a telepath toon stacking controls and these "weak" debuffs. And I sat and watched this a few times among some other things last night that anyone with an issue with telepathy needs to consider.
That said. Clunky set is clunky. Could use some work (though not a major revision, it's simply not THAT bad and hasn't been THAT bad for a long damn time now).
I'm not going to get into a detailed dissection of this out of respect for Jaybezz's thread (despite me poking fun at him from time to time) but the above assertion is a little "off". I just watched a certain player go into trainspotting last night and lockdown damn near the entire map and kill everything. This player was almost doing the map solo and they were doing it with a telepath toon stacking controls and these "weak" debuffs. And I sat and watched this a few times among some other things last night that anyone with an issue with telepathy needs to consider.
That said. Clunky set is clunky. Could use some work (though not a major revision, it's simply not THAT bad and hasn't been THAT bad for a long damn time now).
\o/ Finally! Someone who has witnessed my character a little more than others. Granted my build is *not* 100% Telepathy, the majority (all but 1) of my damaging attacks are. I've redone the build slightly to return back to the original theme.
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
I'm not going to get into a detailed dissection of this out of respect for Jaybezz's thread (despite me poking fun at him from time to time) but the above assertion is a little "off". I just watched a certain player go into trainspotting last night and lockdown damn near the entire map and kill everything. This player was almost doing the map solo and they were doing it with a telepath toon stacking controls and these "weak" debuffs. And I sat and watched this a few times among some other things last night that anyone with an issue with telepathy needs to consider.
That said. Clunky set is clunky. Could use some work (though not a major revision, it's simply not THAT bad and hasn't been THAT bad for a long damn time now).
I believe you are referring to the wonderful Kr'anri of Prosythia () which belongs to Cyrone. Yes I agree it is a simply fantastic build...but for some players who want to play support role heavy CC PRE build like myself, the build wouldnt work too well in support role.
For an offensive telepath, the build is great. I love it to bits, honestly I do, I've been up against it and so has a friend of mine and it really is amazing.
Personally even though it is a telepath build it is in ranged role, which suffers from a less benefit to healing and CC, so whilst YES, the CC in the build is awesome, it could be more powerful in support, and that is my little hangup.
HOWEVER...that said, I am having to SERIOUSLY reconsider my telepath Mentella, I may actually be forced to use a ranged role build if I want to have any part in the upcomming event. (When I used the word forced, I dont direct it at anyone other than Cryptic for not allowing me to play the way I desire...but still got an LTS sub out of me.)
The annoying thing was is that some work had been done to the set and it did start to feel more whole in the sense that it had a passive and powers which were enhanced by the passive. Yes it needed tweaking so it didnt kill everyone but then again so does boss AI..if these new powers were to come to LIVE, a team of telepaths would be literally unstoppable. As much as I love the idea of a team of an EGO telepath, a PRE telepath and an INT Telepath running the CC show. It isnt going to happen. Even someone as optimistic as myself has come to that conclusion.
Even though a build like Cyrone's isnt my ideal way to play, in practice it is a hell load of fun to duel and an envy to watch fight content. Everytime I see him with that build, I want it more and more xD.
I think for those of us wanting telepathy and the telepathy update we saw will either have to keep on waiting. Or accept the fact that nothing is comming and force ourselves to find ways to make do with what we have. Even IF it means we cant run in the desired roles.
As for me, Mentella, will only be used once the Dark Champions reform and we go around killing off NPCs >:3
Apart from that, she'll be locked up sipping peppermint tea and reading copies of PSI Weekly. All thanks to whoever pulled the plug on that brief but glimmering bit of hope telepathy had on the Test Server.
And besides, I still maintained my build so if I'm ever pining for real support style telepathy I can always go over there..
My own peeve really is that telepathy could have been cool and been able to contribute well to instances like Therakiel, Gravitar, Vikorin etc... So that for once, even if Mentella failed as the Mind AT she could become a better character via these updates.
Oh well.......thats life for you :biggrin:
EDIT: I am in NO WAY dissing Cyrone's build. It truly is in my eyes an awesome build!! In fact I'm hoping soon to bring a character like that into the champs universe, perhaps a more offensive telepath/mentalist.
Even if mobs are immune to the hold from Ego Sleep it still applies disorient after the sleep is "broken". Yes, the sleep doesn't actually hold SV+ mobs but the sleep icon shows up and the after sleep effects still happen when the sleep is "broken". This is to say nothing of the fear if advantaged, reducing enemy resists by up to 20% if presence/sentinel spec, and can provide up to 10% max hp healing per second due to the debuff from sentinel mastery. I'd like to see Chest Beam do all that. So yes, Ego Sleep does have a purpose even against hold immune targets. Easy debuffing on tap and disorient application.
As far as a hurricane/epidemic/insert-AoE-of-choice-here user wiping everything out before charging Ego Sleep... why would you bother charging Ego Sleep in that situation? Either tag the hardest target with a tapped Ego Sleep or don't bother with it at all and just kill. In CO support largely isn't necessary, but there are times it's nice to have.
No insult taken Jaybezz. I was looking forward to playing with the new Telepathy stuff that was on PTS, and I can think of more than a couple others that were as well.
EDIT: I'm in a love/hate relationship with Psychic Vortex. On paper it is amazing, even if the advantage defeats the purpose of the power. It can be a lot of fun watching mobs kill themselves. In reality it is a terrible power against MV+ enemies due to resistance debuff caps... and it's completely laughable against cosmics who cap at about 25% (except Kigatilik who had no resist debuff cap last I fought him).
Of course you don't, because you've been screaming that it isn't forever now on the forums, in game and on facebook (despite it being demonstrably more than viable) as ammunition for pushing for a massive telepathy pass. I wouldn't want that argument either if I were in your shoes.
More than willing to make the argument.. but not in THIS thread.
TELEPATHY:ON HOLD
Why do they keep delaying it?
Why has it been so singularly neglected from review?
Why do I have to keep asking?
Why are the NEEDED fixes (energy return on Manipulation does not scale with INT) delayed when they were completed *btw I literally saw GMC fix this in 2 seconds.. from "thanks for pointing that out" to "fixed"*
WHY... WHY... WHY
Why do they keep delaying it?
Why has it been so singularly neglected from review?
Why do I have to keep asking?
Why are the NEEDED fixes (energy return on Manipulation does not scale with INT) delayed when they were completed *btw I literally saw GMC fix this in 2 seconds.. from "thanks for pointing that out" to "fixed"*
Would I be wrong for answering Neverwinter to all of your questions?...well, except the second one because it hasn't been singularly neglected. A lot of the powers have been buffed and/or touched which is more than we can say for the actual claws powers...and that's not the only set.
Would I be wrong for answering Neverwinter to all of your questions?...well, except the second one because it hasn't been singularly neglected. A lot of the powers have been buffed and/or touched which is more than we can say for the actual claws powers...and that's not the only set.
While this may be true for claws, but not for martial arts shared powers. Telepathy has a intrinsic purpose as THE debuffing support set that is NOT shared with Telekinesis, while Claws has an intrinsic purpose that IS shared with Martial Arts.
Improvements to Martial Arts set DID help Claws builds' purpose. Improvements to Telekinesis did NOT help telepathy builds' purpose.
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Beyond that fact that Claws =/= Telepathy in terms of neglect.. Telepathy has been promised review multiple times only to go BACK on that promise.
The hold system (the greatest factor to telepathy's play experience) has only been "reviewed" once.. and that was to a FAR worse system than the original (had the original system actually worked for hold strength AND hold resistance). When said "review" happened they again only reviewed the PLAYER holds and completely neglected the NPC hold strength/resistance.
The fundamental failing of having crowd control has lead to a failing of Melee in PvP. I wager to say that finally reviewing telepathy (and the hold system) will greatly increase the numbers of players choosing melee AND players participating in PvP.
Ok sorry guys, I'm taking my innate frustration with the slow response times of the DEVs out in this thread lol. Chill pill has been taken
I just want to see support types be worth playing in this game. The one time I tried it I felt so irrelevant I had to switch. And I don't really even care if it doesn't happen like that. I would just hope they would give telepathy the ability to stand out like other power sets, or give it some bonkers one-hitter-quitter, Honestly I really don't care to much, kind of learned to be numb to this game. It's still enjoyable at times, but it's destined for so much more
The Earth Passive has been MIA for over a year now.
You might want to get a Snickers.
Munitions passive. Where is it?
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
It's really sad how much better this game could be but isn't. They're not really working on anything spectacular and clearly haven't been for months if not a year, so why they're not at least fixing and improving what's already there is beyond me.
I myself have a Telepath who's been calmly waiting to get her powers reworked but as such will probably never happen. Kind of like how control powers aren't going to be fixed, balances, or made viable in the game. I personally wouldn't mind a few more powers based on telepathy or telekinesis as well, since i'd rather not have a melee powers like TK blades for my hero
It's really sad how much better this game could be but isn't. They're not really working on anything spectacular and clearly haven't been for months if not a year, so why they're not at least fixing and improving what's already there is beyond me.
I myself have a Telepath who's been calmly waiting to get her powers reworked but as such will probably never happen. Kind of like how control powers aren't going to be fixed, balances, or made viable in the game. I personally wouldn't mind a few more powers based on telepathy or telekinesis as well, since i'd rather not have a melee powers like TK blades for my hero
it is hard for the devs to get any help in this game when PWE didn't want it in the first place, they wanted STO and got stuck with CO. So dont expect too much.
But yeah, no in set passive for munitions, like earth and telepathy.
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
I remember what happened the last time someone QQ'd about powers that were already good, like Two-gun mojo. Ascension and Aura of Primal Majesty got a nice "nerf" too.
I remember what happened the last time someone QQ'd about powers that were already good, like Two-gun mojo. Ascension and Aura of Primal Majesty got a nice "nerf" too.
Telepathy cannot be nerfed anymore than it already is, support/cc wise. Some of the powers IN SET dont proc an IN SET form. The form either doesnt scale or poorly scales with INT which is one of the two stats it is meant to scale with...
So, if they really managed to nerf telepathy any further...I think I'd have to applaud them for doing the impossible.
Ranged Role damage and building is one thing. Support and high CC is another.
I'm guessing if they nerfed anything named Telepathy any more...we'd actually do negative damage to our enemies...so yes...we'd be healing our enemies..and in a way we already buff them by giving them CC Resistance Stacks...
Two Gun Mojo, Ascension and AoPM are all included in FoTM...I havent been in CO for as long as most people but I'd say there has never been a telepathy FoTM...unless Cyrone's offensive ranged role telepath build goes viral xD
Two Gun Mojo, Ascension and AoPM are all included in FoTM...I havent been in CO for as long as most people but I'd say there has never been a telepathy FoTM...unless Cyrone's offensive ranged role telepath build goes viral xD
There was once.. using TK powers with telepathic debuffs (Psi Lash and Collective Will) was once a Xenomorph Drone build that killed so hard they had to nerf both powers.
In-Game Dev Communication January 10, 2013 TrailTurtle spoke in zone chat with news that Telepathy is "being pushed back". The precedent of "being pushed back" is enough to make me want a full refund.
Pushed WAAAAY back? In August 2012 Brad saw the powers enough to announce them.. in September we saw them on PTS..
Aaaaaaand Nothing.
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Kaisern I truly respect your ability to make endgame builds. But when offering options on how telepathy can work.. PLEASE actually use the builds. Telepathy is not a set that works on a hypothetical level.. it must be actioned to see how bad it is. For instance using Telepathy Pets should be great pet-master damage hypothetically.. then you see how immobile or slow they are in combat. Using Holds on paper is an awesome ability but it's overwrought with bugs and based on a single player system. Using Telepathy heals is great on paper until you are on a team and realize single player heals are suck in comparison to their counterparts. Telepath builds are not something that can be understood in theory but rather in practice.
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To your specific build if I may offer some advice:
If you're using manipulator then you want INT as your primary stat to get the specialization tree for INT and thus use the greater hold strength. If you do not plan on having a substantial amount of INT or PRE then taking manipulator is a bad idea (in comparison to its alternative toggle forms).
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I am saying this from experience with the set... ALOT of it. I have run a version of this build (the best telepathy build available in my opinion) and it is still a major bust in comparison. If your rationale to me is to make telepathy a ranged damage set then I will always point to how using TK is simply a better choice. And if I wanted Ranged TK I would play Ranged TK. The FIRST major tip I have to anyone trying to maximize the ability of current telepathy is to choose Seraphim; it is the only passive buffing your damage abilities available in support role. IF you are statting PRE then a sorcery aura is also a good option.
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Ultimately, Here's the dilemma.. if you've only played a telepath build you get it to the point where it's acceptable (never amazeballz) to play. But if you then play ANY other type of build and you realize how much you have sucked.. then the choice comes:
Do i choose to keep sucking out of virtue
-OR-
Do I just use a better (not telepathy) build
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It's supposed to be Pre, not Dex. I forgot to change that when I redesigned the build. Able to get a 5 sec stun going on Maelstrom, so it's not in the range of "suck".
Keep in mind that I'm a themed builder. Kr'anri is from a primitive psionic species (captured by Qularr and ended up on Earth during that invasion) so her abilities are not going to be as refined as TK, so I chose Telepathy attacks.
I get that my level of control effects and healing effects won't be as high as say a hybrid or support role character but I just can't see this character outside Range DPS role. That and she's fun to play and just walk into groups of mobs, stunning, holding, sleeping stragglers and just mowing everything down.
I'll edit that build post to the correct stats to prevent further confusion.
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^This, if by function well you define it as some powers not being up to scratch/flat out not working on high end bosses then sure, because Dragon's Claw doesnt work on higher than Enforcer does it?:rolleyes:
As Cyrone has demonstrated a telepathy build can be done but the aspect of control or telepathy as a predominantly control set has sort of been ruined. You can try and run a crowd control build, but it will not compare well to other builds necessarily in terms of usefulness in high end game combat and instances.
Powers which are tagged Confuse, Placate or maintained holds...are to be used with caution and also be aware of the incapacitates system and what that means for maintained holds, also remember that confuses and placates dont work on higher level than Enforcer level. So basically Alert Mobs are your highest threshold really.
The nay saying isnt so much to dissuade people from using telepathy, but it is rather bringing awareness to how the set has been "modified" to suit certain needs/wants and how it compares to other powersets. Over modification has lead to its current state.
There WAS a chance for it to be in the runnings to be a useful set, but those plans were pulled off the PTS 5 months ago. Granted the powers were damage heavy (too damage heavy) but what telepathy wanted the most, i.e. a passive and AoE Paralyze were included in the things removed. Which is a source of anger for myself...which has lead to me not being able to play my main in the desired way which I planned, for 5 months.
So, to cut a long QQ post short: Yes, you can try to run a pure telepath build. It's not optimal at all since most of the powers have been rendered largely irrelevant by Cryptic & Friends (whoever they may be). Others will tell you that running telepathy builds with out of set passives works, yes this is true, but for me and a few others telepathy is a support set which should remain that way. With it's healing outshined by Celestial Powerset and CC capabilities severely diminished..it leaves much left to be desired. If you want to run a successful support role telepath, Seraphim passive is advised.
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A) Have ONLY used telepathy and have no baseline for comparison.
C) Are liars.
Sure you CAN get by most of the game with the powers given to you. But why even bother when you have things like epidemic or 2GM that CLEARLY out class your best powers. Nothing about this set stands out. Ego sprites is probably your best damage option, and that is just pathetic. Ego storm is decent if you don't mind the recharge. Even the heals leave a lot to be desired, being single target only. Half of the mechanics in the set don't work with a lot of the content in the game, and the ones that do are just bad.
And who cares if it's on the schedule to get a review or if there even is a schedule? If something is as bad as this exists, it needs to get fixed. I don't care who, what, where and why it gets done, only that it does soon. I used to think Celestial was bad, but at least several of my powers are usable, even in PvP.
I just hope that the review is completed soon, as there are many people itching to realize their various telepathic concepts...
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The opening post in this thread is an excellent example of that point.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
Believe what you will. I'll continue to rock the game with a high dps and moderate *reactive* control telepath.
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Riiight... Telepathy's "review" has totally happened and crowd control is totally viable.. and none of the dates/updates I provided are backed up with fact.
Because lies are often cited facts.:rolleyes:
I was wondering why I couldn't go to sleep.. I tried to count sheep, but all the ewe were missing.. when I went to check on them it seemed they all had some forced entry of the internets. It seems the Ewe have all been ******. I see now it was you.
I stole your sheep! They're warm and fluffy. :biggrin:
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Taking abused sheep.. you are either a saint or a sadist. I think Ashen was one sadist too many for those poor poor innocent animals. Another would truly be a tragedy.
but NOT as tragic as telepathy.
Ok that does it Kane, I love you
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Hero 2: "You mean those telepaths who used to lockdown enemies on the battle field?"
Hero 1: "Yeah, those ones, Mentella, Kontrol and others...I havent heard from them in a while.."
Hero 2: "Well ever since Dr. Destroyer used the Neuro-Nuke, most of them died off, it severely dampened their abilities and it even killed some telepaths..I saw Mentella recently and Kontrol but neither of them are around much anymore..."
Hero 1: "So...there are hardly any more telepaths left in the whole world? Damn...I wonder when the effects of the Neuro-Nuke will wear off..."
Hero 2: "Probably when the Cryptic Overlord, empowers them again, but it seems that it ain't happening any time soon..."
Hero 1: "Damn I feel sorry for them, looks like they'll have to use less tailored attacks until they can be re powered..."
Hero 2: "Oh well, sucks to be them LOL!"
Hero 1: " YEAH LOOOOOOOOOOOL!"
*Hero 1 and Hero 2 fly off*
Telepath 1: *hiding in the bushes* Soooon....well..hopefully anyway...
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I take it the two heroes having this discussion aren't aware of the Prosythian telepath Kr'anri due to these two major reasons:
1) She's fairly new to Earth
2) She's unable to project thoughts in any known language
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Yup! But when they DO see her in action, they will be like ZOMGNESS! And make a new movie about it...
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I take issue with this suggestion. Nothin against you Falchoin.
Debuffing is NOT buffing.
If I choose a debuffing toon I don't want to be forced into buffing.
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NOW there are MANY threads about the "viability" of telepathy and "crowd control".. this is not that thread.
THIS thread was made to empathize the "delay' of something so fundamental as 1 of 24 Power Frameworks being CONSISTENTLY "delayed" from fix.
While I understand that there two arguments are different I do not wish to re-start the argument of whether or not telepathy is a viable set. The devs have themselves acknowledged that is not. Should you want to argue this point there is another thread.
Conversely, IF you are in this thread to talk about the systemic "delay" of telepathy and its merits (right or wrong) I truly desire to hear from you
Ok lets be honest, even the damage debuffs are bad. Someone with chest beam can do the same thing while also being able to kill entire mobs in one shot and do real damage to bosses. ONE POWER just out classed 2/3 of this power set, not to mention you can use other powers while its going.
And this is the usual situation when using the combo you mentioned:
A) They are immune to ego sleep.
Sure it can work but it is so weak, even if your not min/maxing. Not to mention how much specializations you have routed away from damage and everything else. I know the main goal of a controller isn't damage but that doesn't mean they shouldn't do any.
Of course you don't, because you've been screaming that it isn't forever now on the forums, in game and on facebook (despite it being demonstrably more than viable) as ammunition for pushing for a massive telepathy pass. I wouldn't want that argument either if I were in your shoes.
I'm not going to get into a detailed dissection of this out of respect for Jaybezz's thread (despite me poking fun at him from time to time) but the above assertion is a little "off". I just watched a certain player go into trainspotting last night and lockdown damn near the entire map and kill everything. This player was almost doing the map solo and they were doing it with a telepath toon stacking controls and these "weak" debuffs. And I sat and watched this a few times among some other things last night that anyone with an issue with telepathy needs to consider.
That said. Clunky set is clunky. Could use some work (though not a major revision, it's simply not THAT bad and hasn't been THAT bad for a long damn time now).
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\o/ Finally! Someone who has witnessed my character a little more than others. Granted my build is *not* 100% Telepathy, the majority (all but 1) of my damaging attacks are. I've redone the build slightly to return back to the original theme.
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I believe you are referring to the wonderful Kr'anri of Prosythia (
For an offensive telepath, the build is great. I love it to bits, honestly I do, I've been up against it and so has a friend of mine and it really is amazing.
Personally even though it is a telepath build it is in ranged role, which suffers from a less benefit to healing and CC, so whilst YES, the CC in the build is awesome, it could be more powerful in support, and that is my little hangup.
HOWEVER...that said, I am having to SERIOUSLY reconsider my telepath Mentella, I may actually be forced to use a ranged role build if I want to have any part in the upcomming event. (When I used the word forced, I dont direct it at anyone other than Cryptic for not allowing me to play the way I desire...but still got an LTS sub out of me.)
The annoying thing was is that some work had been done to the set and it did start to feel more whole in the sense that it had a passive and powers which were enhanced by the passive. Yes it needed tweaking so it didnt kill everyone but then again so does boss AI..if these new powers were to come to LIVE, a team of telepaths would be literally unstoppable. As much as I love the idea of a team of an EGO telepath, a PRE telepath and an INT Telepath running the CC show. It isnt going to happen. Even someone as optimistic as myself has come to that conclusion.
Even though a build like Cyrone's isnt my ideal way to play, in practice it is a hell load of fun to duel and an envy to watch fight content. Everytime I see him with that build, I want it more and more xD.
I think for those of us wanting telepathy and the telepathy update we saw will either have to keep on waiting. Or accept the fact that nothing is comming and force ourselves to find ways to make do with what we have. Even IF it means we cant run in the desired roles.
As for me, Mentella, will only be used once the Dark Champions reform and we go around killing off NPCs >:3
Apart from that, she'll be locked up sipping peppermint tea and reading copies of PSI Weekly. All thanks to whoever pulled the plug on that brief but glimmering bit of hope telepathy had on the Test Server.
And besides, I still maintained my build so if I'm ever pining for real support style telepathy I can always go over there..
My own peeve really is that telepathy could have been cool and been able to contribute well to instances like Therakiel, Gravitar, Vikorin etc... So that for once, even if Mentella failed as the Mind AT she could become a better character via these updates.
Oh well.......thats life for you :biggrin:
EDIT: I am in NO WAY dissing Cyrone's build. It truly is in my eyes an awesome build!! In fact I'm hoping soon to bring a character like that into the champs universe, perhaps a more offensive telepath/mentalist.
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As far as a hurricane/epidemic/insert-AoE-of-choice-here user wiping everything out before charging Ego Sleep... why would you bother charging Ego Sleep in that situation? Either tag the hardest target with a tapped Ego Sleep or don't bother with it at all and just kill. In CO support largely isn't necessary, but there are times it's nice to have.
No insult taken Jaybezz. I was looking forward to playing with the new Telepathy stuff that was on PTS, and I can think of more than a couple others that were as well.
EDIT: I'm in a love/hate relationship with Psychic Vortex. On paper it is amazing, even if the advantage defeats the purpose of the power. It can be a lot of fun watching mobs kill themselves. In reality it is a terrible power against MV+ enemies due to resistance debuff caps... and it's completely laughable against cosmics who cap at about 25% (except Kigatilik who had no resist debuff cap last I fought him).
More than willing to make the argument.. but not in THIS thread.
TELEPATHY: ON HOLD
Why do they keep delaying it?
Why has it been so singularly neglected from review?
Why do I have to keep asking?
Why are the NEEDED fixes (energy return on Manipulation does not scale with INT) delayed when they were completed *btw I literally saw GMC fix this in 2 seconds.. from "thanks for pointing that out" to "fixed"*
WHY... WHY... WHY
Would I be wrong for answering Neverwinter to all of your questions?...well, except the second one because it hasn't been singularly neglected. A lot of the powers have been buffed and/or touched which is more than we can say for the actual claws powers...and that's not the only set.
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While this may be true for claws, but not for martial arts shared powers. Telepathy has a intrinsic purpose as THE debuffing support set that is NOT shared with Telekinesis, while Claws has an intrinsic purpose that IS shared with Martial Arts.
Improvements to Martial Arts set DID help Claws builds' purpose. Improvements to Telekinesis did NOT help telepathy builds' purpose.
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Beyond that fact that Claws =/= Telepathy in terms of neglect.. Telepathy has been promised review multiple times only to go BACK on that promise.
The hold system (the greatest factor to telepathy's play experience) has only been "reviewed" once.. and that was to a FAR worse system than the original (had the original system actually worked for hold strength AND hold resistance). When said "review" happened they again only reviewed the PLAYER holds and completely neglected the NPC hold strength/resistance.
The fundamental failing of having crowd control has lead to a failing of Melee in PvP. I wager to say that finally reviewing telepathy (and the hold system) will greatly increase the numbers of players choosing melee AND players participating in PvP.
THATS RIGHT, Delaying Telepathy killed PvP. FACT.
I just want to see support types be worth playing in this game. The one time I tried it I felt so irrelevant I had to switch. And I don't really even care if it doesn't happen like that. I would just hope they would give telepathy the ability to stand out like other power sets, or give it some bonkers one-hitter-quitter, Honestly I really don't care to much, kind of learned to be numb to this game. It's still enjoyable at times, but it's destined for so much more
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Months..
That has to be a record.
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Munitions passive. Where is it?
"There is only one way to support a PFF tank: Send Cyrone lots of money weekly... because he's the only one to successfully be a true PFF Tank." - chuckwolf
Can't argue.. I wanted this one too.. way back when. But they didn't delay the release of the entire framework for it.
I myself have a Telepath who's been calmly waiting to get her powers reworked but as such will probably never happen. Kind of like how control powers aren't going to be fixed, balances, or made viable in the game. I personally wouldn't mind a few more powers based on telepathy or telekinesis as well, since i'd rather not have a melee powers like TK blades for my hero
Quarry?
it is hard for the devs to get any help in this game when PWE didn't want it in the first place, they wanted STO and got stuck with CO. So dont expect too much.
Or Kinetic Manip. or Targeting Computer.
But yeah, no in set passive for munitions, like earth and telepathy.
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But unlike those passives.. Only Earth Form and Congress of Selves were released to PTS only to never be touched again.
Is this thread called Munitions: On Hold? Earth: On Hold? No.
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Telepathy cannot be nerfed anymore than it already is, support/cc wise. Some of the powers IN SET dont proc an IN SET form. The form either doesnt scale or poorly scales with INT which is one of the two stats it is meant to scale with...
So, if they really managed to nerf telepathy any further...I think I'd have to applaud them for doing the impossible.
Ranged Role damage and building is one thing. Support and high CC is another.
I'm guessing if they nerfed anything named Telepathy any more...we'd actually do negative damage to our enemies...so yes...we'd be healing our enemies..and in a way we already buff them by giving them CC Resistance Stacks...
Two Gun Mojo, Ascension and AoPM are all included in FoTM...I havent been in CO for as long as most people but I'd say there has never been a telepathy FoTM...unless Cyrone's offensive ranged role telepath build goes viral xD
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There was once.. using TK powers with telepathic debuffs (Psi Lash and Collective Will) was once a Xenomorph Drone build that killed so hard they had to nerf both powers.
Pushed WAAAAY back? In August 2012 Brad saw the powers enough to announce them.. in September we saw them on PTS..
Aaaaaaand Nothing.
If they're not coming just say so.. I'll leave the forums just as quickly as I left the game.. likely better for those still here
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