I'll personally vote for CO.. The more votes our game gets from us, the more attention it will get from Cryptic in the future.. It's a proven strategy, you show that you care for what they provide, and they provide more.. You ignore? They shut down.. And i don't want CO to shut down..
I have to agree with the majority here though, the game DESERVES some "love" and attention..
I'm a firm believer in "You should only vote for something if it earns it, not lie in hopes it will make the money-grubbing-but-barely-put-effort-to-earn-it corporations decide to start reviving it".
In my opinion, even if CO won all 5 votes, i believe they'll just think it means they don't need improvement and likely think "Oh look, we got top ratings with what we currently did, let's keep this pattern going, maybe occasionally be generous and add a collection officer on the opposite side of the map, at our own expense"
Well will say this STO is running away with some things so gratz to Cryptic on that.
CO on some of the lists ranks above the likes of DCUO by 5 or 6 places . Heck even Neverwinter has sneaked in somehow on some cats. Again well done.
Will have to say well done to PWE for some of the good showings that some of their own games have also done.
Overall not to shabby.
How on earth is NeverWinter even avilable to vote for best of any catagory yet? It's not even released, is it? Only possible cat i can imagine is anticipated. Not anything else and if this is the case then it just shows how worthless votes are anyway if a game could be eligible before it even exists
"Rotten service when it comes to bugs"? Are we playing the same game? Sure, some bugs take longer to fix than others - but you make it sound like they don't even try!
And what "third-party tool"? Do you mean you're logging in through Steam? 'Cause I've been hearing that running CO through Steam is a tin-plated nightmare...
If by trying you mean saying they fix something, only to learn when you log in, their fix wasn't even related to the bug. Problem A is causing issues, so they resolve non-existant Problem B which if you look at the timing of when the non-existant problem they claim they fix could only happen after problem A, showing they clearly never even look at what the fix.
Bullet Bound for Biselle is an example. IT will not even start at all, but there was an alleged fix to something that occurs only after it begins.
If by trying you mean saying they fix something, only to learn when you log in, their fix wasn't even related to the bug. Problem A is causing issues, so they resolve non-existant Problem B which if you look at the timing of when the non-existant problem they claim they fix could only happen after problem A, showing they clearly never even look at what the fix.
Bullet Bound for Biselle is an example. IT will not even start at all, but there was an alleged fix to something that occurs only after it begins.
Its actually worse than that, the fix they put in was to make sure the mayor got to the platform to begin his speach - he already did, it wasnt broken to begin with there!
What is broken (and has been for over a year) is the ending of the mission. It doesnt end right, the ospreys stay in the air and it will not work again. Thats why it can be done once after a patch then cant be done again. Its the ending that needs (and has always needed) fixing, the begining has always worked fine!
Its actually worse than that, the fix they put in was to make sure the mayor got to the platform to begin his speach - he already did, it wasnt broken to begin with there!
What is broken (and has been for over a year) is the ending of the mission. It doesnt end right, the ospreys stay in the air and it will not work again. Thats why it can be done once after a patch then cant be done again. Its the ending that needs (and has always needed) fixing, the begining has always worked fine!
Hence why i said alleged, while i also mentioned non-existant problems. It was just so long back i couldn't remember for certain what they did, i just know their "fix" was never the right thing, and that they never even looked at the issue.
I'm a firm believer in "You should only vote for something if it earns it, not lie in hopes it will make the money-grubbing-but-barely-put-effort-to-earn-it corporations decide to start reviving it".
In my opinion, even if CO won all 5 votes, i believe they'll just think it means they don't need improvement and likely think "Oh look, we got top ratings with what we currently did, let's keep this pattern going, maybe occasionally be generous and add a collection officer on the opposite side of the map, at our own expense"
I don't vote for something that doesn't deserves it, as CO has earned my vote over the years.. Nowadays? That's a different ball game.. I still have faith in this game though, and that's why i vote for it.. Hopefully my trust won't be betrayed.. :cool:
I'm a firm believer in "You should only vote for something if it earns it, not lie in hopes it will make the money-grubbing-but-barely-put-effort-to-earn-it corporations decide to start reviving it".
In my opinion, even if CO won all 5 votes, i believe they'll just think it means they don't need improvement and likely think "Oh look, we got top ratings with what we currently did, let's keep this pattern going, maybe occasionally be generous and add a collection officer on the opposite side of the map, at our own expense"
This. This is what people fail to see.
Positive support is nice, but it is in no way effective when things need improving. If your girlfriend wears perfume that burns your eyes, you don't keep on telling her how lovely she smells.
If your girlfriend wears perfume that burns your eyes, you don't keep on telling her how lovely she smells.
That really depends on how you balance eye watering smell vs the $hitstorm you are likely to get when you tell her that her favorite perfume makes her smells like a four day dead skunk. :biggrin:
That really depends on how you balance eye watering smell vs the $hitstorm you are likely to get when you tell her that her favorite perfume makes her smells like a four day dead skunk. :biggrin:
In which case, find a better girlfriend, much like finding a better MMO because of the BS the current GF/MMO provides with expecting you to be happy with what you get, even if it's not what you want.
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
That really depends on how you balance eye watering smell vs the $hitstorm you are likely to get when you tell her that her favorite perfume makes her smells like a four day dead skunk. :biggrin:
If it does stink, then better I tell her and deal with that than someone else come along and tell her, then she looks at me and asks why I remained silent.
Anyway, point is- voting for CO because... you want the game to succeed is pointless and ignorant. I am not giving CO a vote in 'best' anything except character customization, which I don't even think is a category. Right now the game is lagging behind in way too many categories for me to honestly support it.
I can lie and say it's great or be honest and say it like it is. Last I checked, honesty went further.
I won't vote for CO simply because it represents satisfaction of the results we got this year. If PWE sees CO winning than we'll get another year of lockboxes, no content, no pvp incentives and several bugs. Sorry, Cryptic, but other than the On Alert patch, which boosted customization further, you really haven't given us a good run this year.
...than we'll get another year of lockboxes, no content, no pvp incentives and several bugs. Either way, from PWE/Cryptic's POV, what's the incentive?
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
...than we'll get another year of lockboxes, no content, no pvp incentives and several bugs. Either way, from PWE/Cryptic's POV, what's the incentive?
Not sure I understand the point of this particular statement. Are you suggesting that people lie (you seem to be responding to people who have made it clear that they do not believe that the game qualifies for the awards and so it would be a lie for them to vote for CO) for no reason ?
No, I'm stating that if you don't vote for CO specifically because you believe that a low ranking will cause PWE/Cryptic to suddenly devote massive resources to this game, you're headed for disappointment. Far more likely that the Overlords would decide that we don't like superhero MMOs either, and just cancel the whole shebang, as with our late lamented sister game over at NCSoft.
If you don't think the game's earned your vote, fine, that's your opinion. Just don't vote against CO with the expectation that this will cause anything to change for the better...
(It's reminiscent of when my roommate was contemplating going back to school after leaving the Army. He said that by the time he got his degree in three years, he'd be 34. I asked him how old he'd be in three years if he didn't go back to school.)
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
I won't vote for CO simply because it represents satisfaction of the results we got this year. If PWE sees CO winning than we'll get another year of lockboxes, no content, no pvp incentives and several bugs. Sorry, Cryptic, but other than the On Alert patch, which boosted customization further, you really haven't given us a good run this year.
...than we'll get another year of lockboxes, no content, no pvp incentives and several bugs. Either way, from PWE/Cryptic's POV, what's the incentive?
So you're saying we should be mindless sheep, and - All hail Hypnotoad!- sorry... don't know what came over me, I think hypnotoad tried telling me to vote for CO unconditionally.
No, I'm stating that if you don't vote for CO specifically because you believe that a low ranking will cause PWE/Cryptic to suddenly devote massive resources to this game, you're headed for disappointment. Far more likely that the Overlords would decide that we don't like superhero MMOs either, and just cancel the whole shebang, as with our late lamented sister game over at NCSoft.
If you don't think the game's earned your vote, fine, that's your opinion. Just don't vote against CO with the expectation that this will cause anything to change for the better...
(It's reminiscent of when my roommate was contemplating going back to school after leaving the Army. He said that by the time he got his degree in three years, he'd be 34. I asked him how old he'd be in three years if he didn't go back to school.)
I really don't understand how you mix voting for CO because it earned the vote with choosing not to vote for CO to make them change how they run things.
Sure, technically both require a change to get the vote, one by earning it. one by "bribing" if a minority want a trivial cosmetic item reward for a vote, while some expect an actual update that improves the game.
Another game i play recently did similar, RS tried to bribe people to like their Facebook page for a free cosmetic "book on your face" type mask. it took over 1-2 weeks to entice 10k people to make multiple accounts for a meager cosmetic.
Also, i don't think the guy you're arguing this "point" to even suggested or implied refusing to vote specifically because they believe it'll make PWE devote everything to CO, maybe they just don't want to give away votes that aren't earned.
and your story in brackets, asking your roommate how old he'll be if he doesn't go to school didn't make sense to me.
Far more likely that the Overlords would decide that we don't like superhero MMOs either, and just cancel the whole shebang, as with our late lamented sister game over at NCSoft.
If they will do the same year in 2013 we had in 2012, i don't see how this won't be the same result, honestly.
If Overlords knows how read, they will know that we love superheros mmo and especially co, but they have to stop to take our devs to work elsewhere and begins to create new playable content FOR CO.
No, i won't lie, as so many others say it. The game is fun for some months when you begins to play with it, but after some time and when we see what you do for this game, almost nothing, it's not possible imho to vote for co in any of theses themes.
No vote for me.
I could vote for "the mmo with the less new content of 2012", or "the mmo with the best gambling stuff added in store" or "the mmo the less challenging of the market", but nothing else, sorry Cryptic.
Perhaps the next year, if you give back our old devs to co and begins to work on co as you work on your other projects, aka seriously. Then, we will see.
Until this moment, my money is spend elsewhere.
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I'm a firm believer in "You should only vote for something if it earns it, not lie in hopes it will make the money-grubbing-but-barely-put-effort-to-earn-it corporations decide to start reviving it".
In my opinion, even if CO won all 5 votes, i believe they'll just think it means they don't need improvement and likely think "Oh look, we got top ratings with what we currently did, let's keep this pattern going, maybe occasionally be generous and add a collection officer on the opposite side of the map, at our own expense"
How on earth is NeverWinter even avilable to vote for best of any catagory yet? It's not even released, is it? Only possible cat i can imagine is anticipated. Not anything else and if this is the case then it just shows how worthless votes are anyway if a game could be eligible before it even exists
If by trying you mean saying they fix something, only to learn when you log in, their fix wasn't even related to the bug. Problem A is causing issues, so they resolve non-existant Problem B which if you look at the timing of when the non-existant problem they claim they fix could only happen after problem A, showing they clearly never even look at what the fix.
Bullet Bound for Biselle is an example. IT will not even start at all, but there was an alleged fix to something that occurs only after it begins.
Its actually worse than that, the fix they put in was to make sure the mayor got to the platform to begin his speach - he already did, it wasnt broken to begin with there!
What is broken (and has been for over a year) is the ending of the mission. It doesnt end right, the ospreys stay in the air and it will not work again. Thats why it can be done once after a patch then cant be done again. Its the ending that needs (and has always needed) fixing, the begining has always worked fine!
Hence why i said alleged, while i also mentioned non-existant problems. It was just so long back i couldn't remember for certain what they did, i just know their "fix" was never the right thing, and that they never even looked at the issue.
I see your point though..
This. This is what people fail to see.
Positive support is nice, but it is in no way effective when things need improving. If your girlfriend wears perfume that burns your eyes, you don't keep on telling her how lovely she smells.
That really depends on how you balance eye watering smell vs the $hitstorm you are likely to get when you tell her that her favorite perfume makes her smells like a four day dead skunk. :biggrin:
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
In which case, find a better girlfriend, much like finding a better MMO because of the BS the current GF/MMO provides with expecting you to be happy with what you get, even if it's not what you want.
We GOT that one, baby!
M-O-O-N, that spells @Rhyatt
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
If it does stink, then better I tell her and deal with that than someone else come along and tell her, then she looks at me and asks why I remained silent.
Anyway, point is- voting for CO because... you want the game to succeed is pointless and ignorant. I am not giving CO a vote in 'best' anything except character customization, which I don't even think is a category. Right now the game is lagging behind in way too many categories for me to honestly support it.
I can lie and say it's great or be honest and say it like it is. Last I checked, honesty went further.
We'd be kidding only ourselves if we gave it bias votes to win something it doesn't deserve.
Plus, i might just join one of the games that does win best in something just to try it out since i like to believe they earn their votes.
I don't even try to convince my friends to play Champions Online. Not any more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ&NR=1&feature=fvwp
...than we'll get another year of lockboxes, no content, no pvp incentives and several bugs. Either way, from PWE/Cryptic's POV, what's the incentive?
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Not sure I understand the point of this particular statement. Are you suggesting that people lie (you seem to be responding to people who have made it clear that they do not believe that the game qualifies for the awards and so it would be a lie for them to vote for CO) for no reason ?
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
If you don't think the game's earned your vote, fine, that's your opinion. Just don't vote against CO with the expectation that this will cause anything to change for the better...
(It's reminiscent of when my roommate was contemplating going back to school after leaving the Army. He said that by the time he got his degree in three years, he'd be 34. I asked him how old he'd be in three years if he didn't go back to school.)
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So you're saying we should be mindless sheep, and - All hail Hypnotoad!- sorry... don't know what came over me, I think hypnotoad tried telling me to vote for CO unconditionally.
I really don't understand how you mix voting for CO because it earned the vote with choosing not to vote for CO to make them change how they run things.
Sure, technically both require a change to get the vote, one by earning it. one by "bribing" if a minority want a trivial cosmetic item reward for a vote, while some expect an actual update that improves the game.
Another game i play recently did similar, RS tried to bribe people to like their Facebook page for a free cosmetic "book on your face" type mask. it took over 1-2 weeks to entice 10k people to make multiple accounts for a meager cosmetic.
Also, i don't think the guy you're arguing this "point" to even suggested or implied refusing to vote specifically because they believe it'll make PWE devote everything to CO, maybe they just don't want to give away votes that aren't earned.
and your story in brackets, asking your roommate how old he'll be if he doesn't go to school didn't make sense to me.
If they will do the same year in 2013 we had in 2012, i don't see how this won't be the same result, honestly.
If Overlords knows how read, they will know that we love superheros mmo and especially co, but they have to stop to take our devs to work elsewhere and begins to create new playable content FOR CO.
@Cryptic:
No, i won't lie, as so many others say it. The game is fun for some months when you begins to play with it, but after some time and when we see what you do for this game, almost nothing, it's not possible imho to vote for co in any of theses themes.
No vote for me.
I could vote for "the mmo with the less new content of 2012", or "the mmo with the best gambling stuff added in store" or "the mmo the less challenging of the market", but nothing else, sorry Cryptic.
Perhaps the next year, if you give back our old devs to co and begins to work on co as you work on your other projects, aka seriously. Then, we will see.
Until this moment, my money is spend elsewhere.