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Right Ive posted this here because this is more a discussion than a suggestion.
Last night me , Brou and Smack had a chat about putting not evil , not a full blown faction into the game but the options of being a bit naughty. Most of the best ideas came from Brou and Smack.
Basically because there has been an increase in population due to what has happened in CoX I said to keep the third of the new players that were villains in the other game why not give them the option to backhand those annoying NPC's that come up and randomly annoy you. Even go as far as to be able to rob banks instead of stopping it getting robbed.
The others came up far better idea. Being an utter VANDAL! One player could set small fires or vandalize stuff and other players could come along and fix things.
All this could be linked to a small karma bar like in Fallout. Depending how naught or nice you are it could lead to certain costume unlocks.
I aint saying the game needs another faction, just give players the option to have Catwoman or Donkey Kong level of naughtiness.
With this naughty / nice bar everybody would still be heroes some would just be a little bit mean and others could be even more heroic than they already are.
Last night me , Brou and Smack had a chat about putting not evil , not a full blown faction into the game but the options of being a bit naughty. Most of the best ideas came from Brou and Smack.
Basically because there has been an increase in population due to what has happened in CoX I said to keep the third of the new players that were villains in the other game why not give them the option to backhand those annoying NPC's that come up and randomly annoy you. Even go as far as to be able to rob banks instead of stopping it getting robbed.
The others came up far better idea. Being an utter VANDAL! One player could set small fires or vandalize stuff and other players could come along and fix things.
All this could be linked to a small karma bar like in Fallout. Depending how naught or nice you are it could lead to certain costume unlocks.
I aint saying the game needs another faction, just give players the option to have Catwoman or Donkey Kong level of naughtiness.
With this naughty / nice bar everybody would still be heroes some would just be a little bit mean and others could be even more heroic than they already are.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
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'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
would love to see this^^
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Good reputation = Bonus Defense + angel like aura + title: Hero
Neutral reputation = bonus healing + glitter aura + title: < suggestion here >
Evil reputation = damage boost + red'ish evil aura + title: Villain
hows that?
Also:
Neutral players can party with anyone
** peopel can still do alerts heroes woudl fight villains as we do now... neutrals would have no problem doing the same..and villaisn woudl fight villains in alerts because.. hell a villain would be the only one XD
** it woudl not conflict with nemesis system since villains would fight other villains to earn the might for themself instead of sharing...
** yes and sometimes villains can team up with other villains so they reach a target together .. its not a contract anyway ^^
heroes only with heroes and villains only with villains...
also:
There are missions available all day long that are repeatable...those mission are there to grind your way up to hero or villain status...
by default everyone is neutral
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OR in alerts everyone can party together because its only temporary...like in some comic boos were some villains help teh heroes temporary and after that they continue fighting each other XD
Yeah /signed for the auras
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ
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'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
lol i almost died
Its not the introduction of evil but the introduction of naughty.
We'd all still be heroes ^__^
But the additions of auras that show who's a meanie and who's nice would be epic.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I've always considered the five star system to be a remnant of when this
game was going to be an extension of that franchise.
Not that I'm against the idea.
There should be some kind of relevant heroism/anti-heroism stat.
Hero/anti-hero MOTHER OF ZOD thats what what we need O__O"
Its so PnP it hurts
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Here I suppose it would be more along the lines of picking up Nice Guy points by scrubbing the graffiti left by someone earning their Naughty points by spray-painting it, and then getting a few minor Naughty points by being rude to the NPCs running up to tell me how wonderful I was in the Qularr Invasion...
- David Brin, "Those Eyes"
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just saying.
glitter?
and do we have to be angels? how about non religious titles for us heros and such?
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That purple bit is the reason why 1/3rd of players played the villains in CoX .
>_> damn this extra downtime has brought out the ideas in people at least. I normally hate you all but all these ideas being bounced around are forming into something actually viable . Hope at least some of the devs are reading this ...the others I hope you be fixing the game -.-
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I'd rather not, honestly. Specifically, I'd rather not tie morality to look. This was a big problem I've had with similar suggestions in the past. This, in particular, seems to suggest that red is evil and good doesn't focus on damage, and it really doesn't correspond to my own personal choice of aesthetic. Generally speaking, I'm not a fan of the colour-coded for your convenience trope, insomuch as I like to experiment with colour and push preconceived notions. Personally, I tend to see white as more the colour of evil, for it being sterile, but that's just my own thing.
Generally speaking, if at all possible, I prefer to leave appearance as separate from story and gear as I can. If I want to make an evil-looking hero or a good-looking villain for subveristy's sake, then I'd like to do that without having to be of the specific alignment stereotype to do it. It's kind of like the old Greek belief that evil people are ugly and good people are pretty.
So, yes on the idea of letting heroes be "naughty" if that helps, but no on the idea of being either locked out of auras or having auras forced on me for either choice. "Auras" as a costume element are already lacking enough.
Of all the things I've lost,
It think I miss my mind the most.
There was a time when "evil" costumes that came out with City of Villains were only usable by villains. I remember Jack Emmert being surprised that heroes would want to have monster heads and dress in chains and spikes, but people abusing the /cov 1 command that swapped your client to "think" you were playing a villain in huge numbers was pretty telling. Over the time, the differences in appearance and power waned, and I honestly can't say I saw much complaining over it. Those who wanted their villains to look "evil" and their heroes to look "heroic," for some personal definition of the terms, still could. I, on the other hand, could let loose and create all manner of unusual creatures.
Champions lacks villains so I won't be remaking mine. They just don't fit "anti-hero" work. But being able to make some of my heroes less... Foxbat-goofy would be appreciated.
Of all the things I've lost,
It think I miss my mind the most.
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'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
There was a way too do this...but they nerfed it...
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As much as I would like to give something that the people of CoX have lost I still would have to say no to the karma scale. If the rewards of said scale would be an extension onto the spec tree then I would have to go with no...There are already enough exploits and bugs with the spec tree alone...
Now change the rewards to those of the (many) 'hidden' costume unlocks from both sides and I'd go with yes...I mean, get on the light side enough and you can rip the belly sapphires from sapphire or witchcraft's top..buttons..cape...thingy......or go further into the dark side and gain armadillo's back accessory or...all of dimensional shadow destroyer...or even expired christmas cookies I'd be happy to gain an unlimited supply of those for lighting enough trees on fire and putting cats into them..
Anyway! A karma system with NO rewards would be the best choice...because it gives choice without making either side 'better' than the other...(then people complain about how pointless it is...)
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I'm not aware if Hero Games themselves has ever come out with a villain supplement for the PnP, but I know myself I've liked to indulge in playing a more nefarious super-guy.
Giving the civilians a wider range of reactions and actions towards characters would be really neat. If you play a more villainous character having the NPCs run away and maybe even cops shoot at you would be neat.
locking costumes isn't that good of an idea, imho, maybe instead offering certain costumes as goodies you can buy for questionite OR you could play nefarious or virtuous to unlock them.
Can't be done with the online version, of course - not until someone develops true AI, and makes it cheap enough that one could be dedicated to running an MMO...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ml4dA8TZTU
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'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
Well technically you can run anything with just the base rules
I'm meaning more of a genre book with tips and different package deals (now older Hero System lingo) for villains.
But on that same note I think that more content, perhaps even from the get go of character creation/tutorial, that is 'choice' driven . Rp is great but having actual stuff in game helps with the feeling. Not so much as locking your character as 'heroic' or villainous one way or the other ,though the effect would be giving the 'feeling' of being heroic or villainous or some thing in between, but just having little things that add to the depth and immersion.
That one mission where you have the chance to either have Blue Jay help you with the Elder Worms or Bring her in comes to mind...more stuff like that but add real consequences and perks for however you go.
Having something like a reputation bar for specific factions and missions and rewards from them would add to this, I think. Doing certain things for one faction causes you to go down with another.
NightHawk's Project Mongoose are a little bit more 'grey' than Defender's Champion's. VIPER and UNTIL have obvious differences as do PRIMUS and GRAB.
But stuff like, I dunno, MECHANON INVADING would warrant groups normally at odds working together.
This would probably mean new mission hubs, tweaking the alert system and more stuff, generally, but a guy can dream, right?
I have a character named Chains, I would love to make his partner Whips.
LOL
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
The good / evil points thing totally does not fit into a non open world pvp game, unless it is offline and not a mmo. A damage boost for being evil would be a bad thing, since not everybody likes being evil.
What if your heroes had a very naughty background? Like my telepath..
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
So would that be a Hero or Villein action?
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'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
Definite hero action.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!