I think you need to look in the mirror and say that again.
Reasonable minded folk would have noticed how foolish you look in stating your opinions as fact, and see me for being an idiot in trying to convince said fool of the actual reality.
Just keep telling yourself it's true because you believe it, especially when people prove you wrong, because if you believe it, doesn't matter if you're wrong .
Aren't many reasonable minds anymore. Maybe you should look in the mirror and talk to him, as I'm no longer interested in what you have to say until you are more humble and mature. You haven't done anything to disprove anything, so until you do, I'll be confident in everything I've learned thus far. Foolish mortal!
Your idea of a "reasonable mind" is someone who uses induction to try to prove their point, people like yourself who insist I'm saying one thing when I explicitly state multiple times that's not what I'm trying to say. So, anyone you haven't met knows nothing. Yup, that's great reasoning there. Next time try treating me as a human being.
Aren't many reasonable minds anymore. Maybe you should look in the mirror and talk to him, as I'm no longer interested in what you have to say until you are more humble and mature. You haven't done anything to disprove anything, so until you do, I'll be confident in everything I've learned thus far. Foolish mortal!
Your idea of a "reasonable mind" is someone who uses induction to try to prove their point, people like yourself who insist I'm saying one thing when I explicitly state multiple times that's not what I'm trying to say. So, anyone you haven't met knows nothing. Yup, that's great reasoning there. Next time try treating me as a human being.
I've always treated you as a human being, I just treat you now as a human being that fails to see logic. The thread had several pages where people have pointed out the fallacies in your logic. Your only basis for stating that UR is cheating is its damage output, and I named over 5 powers that could match or surpass it's damage. Yet you still continue to make claims that I've never provided an ounce of proof to prove you wrong.
I'm pretty confident you're going to twist things in desperate attempts to make yourself out to be the victim, which I personally find pretty sad. I've been corrected by folks I don't hold in the highest regard, but when I clearly see I'm wrong, I'll accept and admit fault.
But in the end it's much ado about nothing anyway.
Oh dear, Brou was right. (Isn't he often?) PvP seems to exist merely to make other people very upset. Everyone seems to be determined to prove everyone else wrong on the Internet.
It isn't about the state of the game, currently. That I could understand. If there were numbers and data still as a part of this argument on either side, then it'd be interesting to read. But neither of you are looking good, now. And any points that needed to be made have already been made.
I don't care about convincing people, regardless of whether they're on the Internet or not. I do care about people; the Internet doesn't make them any less real to me.
I've always treated you as a human being, I just treat you now as a human being that fails to see logic. The thread had several pages where people have pointed out the fallacies in your logic. Your only basis for stating that UR is cheating is its damage output, and I named over 5 powers that could match or surpass it's damage. Yet you still continue to make claims that I've never provided an ounce of proof to prove you wrong.
I'm pretty confident you're going to twist things in desperate attempts to make yourself out to be the victim, which I personally find pretty sad. I've been corrected by folks I don't hold in the highest regard, but when I clearly see I'm wrong, I'll accept and admit fault.
But in the end it's much ado about nothing anyway.
I seriously doubt you're going to read much of this, but I figured I'd take a chance. :P
I do the same thing and I argue my case, but if you can't see that you're wrong because you're too blind and complacent, that's your problem, not mine. I never told you what my basis is for saying that UR is lame; I even pointed out to you that I hadn't given you any definition of that yet, but I expected you to make even more assumptions and you didn't fail to misunderstand.
LOL That's pretty funny, because it's quite obvious that there are several powers that are even worse, and they have nothing to do with that topic regardless. The existence of powers that are stronger than noob rage does not prove that it's legit. In fact, the reason people use it is because it does massive damage. Again, you assumed I was referring to the exploit. It is true that you've never disproven me. Funny how you say people "pointed out fallacy" when nothing those particular people said made enough sense anyway. I gave you step-by-step instructions how to prove me wrong with actual data, more than anyone should have to do, and you decided that you needed to type two paragraphs of emptiness in Microsoft Word. The burden of proof is yours.
The way you deal with people you think are making false claims shows your level of maturity and responsibility, whether they are false or not. You started off replying to me in that thread by assuming that Unleashed Rage kills me and that's probably why I'm complaining, and you didn't understand what I was getting at concerning LR, IDF, or any of the powers I've talked about; this is proof that you know absolutely nothing about me. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I'm a newbie. I have my opinion and you have yours; doesn't make me any less competent.
You claim to be disproving me and you see yourself as more experienced and more knowledgeable, but I've just shown here that your argument about UR isn't even sensible. You're always so smug and superior when in reality you don't even have the reasoning ability to realize that none of what you say about this subject is logical at all. I could point out multiple examples where some argument you made against my "claims" made little to no sense, but I'm sure you wouldn't even understand or care. I usually skip your fallacy anyway.
So because multiple people who say I'm saying this or that are more than me, that somehow means their opinion holds more weight than mine. I see that people like you are swayed by false logic which is why you will never understand what I'm talking about. I never made any claims about what you are or what you know, but you do that a lot about me. Nine tenths of men who are regarded as men of intellect are more likely to be convinced by false logic than the true, so it's hardly unexpected.
I'm willing to listen to anyone, but when you're not willing to confirm with me that you know what I'm telling you and why, simply because you don't know me, that just means you're just an elitist and a know-it-all.
The reason I think UR is lame is because _________________________.
Because right now all you've just said was lol I never told you why I thought UR was lame noob! Now let me talk about how you treat me while still not telling you! ha!
You also can't blame him for not understanding you when again, you haven't even explained your proper and logical reasoning as to why UR is specifically lame to you.
I don't care about convincing people, regardless of whether they're on the Internet or not. I do care about people; the Internet doesn't make them any less real to me.
I seriously doubt you're going to read much of this, but I figured I'd take a chance. :P
I do the same thing and I argue my case, but if you can't see that you're wrong because you're too blind and complacent, that's your problem, not mine. I never told you what my basis is for saying that UR is lame; I even pointed out to you that I hadn't given you any definition of that yet, but I expected you to make even more assumptions and you didn't fail to misunderstand.
LOL That's pretty funny, because it's quite obvious that there are several powers that are even worse, and they have nothing to do with that topic regardless. The existence of powers that are stronger than noob rage does not prove that it's legit. In fact, the reason people use it is because it does massive damage. Again, you assumed I was referring to the exploit. It is true that you've never disproven me. Funny how you say people "pointed out fallacy" when nothing those particular people said made enough sense anyway. I gave you step-by-step instructions how to prove me wrong with actual data, more than anyone should have to do, and you decided that you needed to type two paragraphs of emptiness in Microsoft Word. The burden of proof is yours.
The burden of proof is not mine, you are the one making a claim. You gave no proof and simply stated it does excessive damage. I gave examples of powers that exceeded said damage, you continue to claim that it doesn't mean you're wrong. People who actually show up and pvp have told you you're wrong. You hide behind anonymity whereas folks can actually find my characters and see me fight first hand. I don't make claims without actual experience behind them, however you seem to, that is the difference.
The way you deal with people you think are making false claims shows your level of maturity and responsibility, whether they are false or not. You started off replying to me in that thread by assuming that Unleashed Rage kills me and that's probably why I'm complaining, and you didn't understand what I was getting at concerning LR, IDF, or any of the powers I've talked about; this is proof that you know absolutely nothing about me. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I'm a newbie. I have my opinion and you have yours; doesn't make me any less competent.
You claim to be disproving me and you see yourself as more experienced and more knowledgeable, but I've just shown here that your argument about UR isn't even sensible. You're always so smug and superior when in reality you don't even have the reasoning ability to realize that none of what you say about this subject is logical at all. I could point out multiple examples where some argument you made against my "claims" made little to no sense, but I'm sure you wouldn't even understand or care. I usually skip your fallacy anyway.
So because multiple people who say I'm saying this or that are more than me, that somehow means their opinion holds more weight than mine. I see that people like you are swayed by false logic which is why you will never understand what I'm talking about. I never made any claims about what you are or what you know, but you do that a lot about me. Nine tenths of men who are regarded as men of intellect are more likely to be convinced by false logic than the true, so it's hardly unexpected.
I'm willing to listen to anyone, but when you're not willing to confirm with me that you know what I'm telling you and why, simply because you don't know me, that just means you're just an elitist and a know-it-all.
I can be pretty damn egotistical, I've put in way too many hours in this game. But I don't go claiming something is cheating without providing solid reasons why. You believe your reasons are solid when the sole reasoning you're standing on is that YOU believe it does too much damage.
I know that responding to you makes me end up sounding like a jerk. Not so much because I detest you, simply because people disagree with you and you suddenly make it out like they're elitist. I am elitist, look at my posts at having to carry lowbies through alerts. I've even stated I consider myself one.
I just think its funny you come in here and state opinions and yet won't even give up your handle. If someone disagrees with you, they're wrong because you must be right, regardless if the majority tells you otherwise. I don't go declaring opinions on the RP community because I wouldn't know anything about said community.
But I do pvp and do so regularly. Let me give you some kill counts:
Alyssa - 4077 player kills
Fantasy Girl - 1197 player kills
Reiyn - 3360 player kills
I'd grab more, but I haven't finished compiling my list. That's just 3 of 17 level 40s. I should have at least 3 more that break 1000, if not more.
Suffice it to say, I've been around the block. Of course one could say I made up those numbers, and even if I take a screen shot of each screen someone could say its photoshopped shev style. But if that were the case, I would have never become a Spectre.
But really when all is said and done, I know I've got pvp experience, and don't hide behind anonymity. You're expecting me to prove an opinion wrong, your opinion. And the sad thing is, you're claiming a power that next to no pvp regular actually bothers to use is cheating.
You don't even state something plausible, like imbue which isn't consumed on most heals like intended, and actually allows for higher sev than intended, both of which are documented and proven as can be seen by the upcoming nerf.
The fact that you keep this up even though this thread was about the double bubble setup which actually does EXPLOIT imbue. In fact, even an 8 stack enrage UR usually won't hurt much unless its IMBUED as most UR setups wont have solid sev to begin with.
I don't mind that you want to believe UR is cheating. I do mind you think its fact and are afraid to let the pvp community know who you are so everyone (as in people other than myself) could prove you wrong.
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Aren't many reasonable minds anymore. Maybe you should look in the mirror and talk to him, as I'm no longer interested in what you have to say until you are more humble and mature. You haven't done anything to disprove anything, so until you do, I'll be confident in everything I've learned thus far. Foolish mortal!
Your idea of a "reasonable mind" is someone who uses induction to try to prove their point, people like yourself who insist I'm saying one thing when I explicitly state multiple times that's not what I'm trying to say. So, anyone you haven't met knows nothing. Yup, that's great reasoning there. Next time try treating me as a human being.
Socrates..some 2600 years ago
(just saying)
I've always treated you as a human being, I just treat you now as a human being that fails to see logic. The thread had several pages where people have pointed out the fallacies in your logic. Your only basis for stating that UR is cheating is its damage output, and I named over 5 powers that could match or surpass it's damage. Yet you still continue to make claims that I've never provided an ounce of proof to prove you wrong.
I'm pretty confident you're going to twist things in desperate attempts to make yourself out to be the victim, which I personally find pretty sad. I've been corrected by folks I don't hold in the highest regard, but when I clearly see I'm wrong, I'll accept and admit fault.
But in the end it's much ado about nothing anyway.
It isn't about the state of the game, currently. That I could understand. If there were numbers and data still as a part of this argument on either side, then it'd be interesting to read. But neither of you are looking good, now. And any points that needed to be made have already been made.
Just my two cents.
I seriously doubt you're going to read much of this, but I figured I'd take a chance. :P
I do the same thing and I argue my case, but if you can't see that you're wrong because you're too blind and complacent, that's your problem, not mine. I never told you what my basis is for saying that UR is lame; I even pointed out to you that I hadn't given you any definition of that yet, but I expected you to make even more assumptions and you didn't fail to misunderstand.
LOL That's pretty funny, because it's quite obvious that there are several powers that are even worse, and they have nothing to do with that topic regardless. The existence of powers that are stronger than noob rage does not prove that it's legit. In fact, the reason people use it is because it does massive damage. Again, you assumed I was referring to the exploit. It is true that you've never disproven me. Funny how you say people "pointed out fallacy" when nothing those particular people said made enough sense anyway. I gave you step-by-step instructions how to prove me wrong with actual data, more than anyone should have to do, and you decided that you needed to type two paragraphs of emptiness in Microsoft Word. The burden of proof is yours.
The way you deal with people you think are making false claims shows your level of maturity and responsibility, whether they are false or not. You started off replying to me in that thread by assuming that Unleashed Rage kills me and that's probably why I'm complaining, and you didn't understand what I was getting at concerning LR, IDF, or any of the powers I've talked about; this is proof that you know absolutely nothing about me. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I'm a newbie. I have my opinion and you have yours; doesn't make me any less competent.
You claim to be disproving me and you see yourself as more experienced and more knowledgeable, but I've just shown here that your argument about UR isn't even sensible. You're always so smug and superior when in reality you don't even have the reasoning ability to realize that none of what you say about this subject is logical at all. I could point out multiple examples where some argument you made against my "claims" made little to no sense, but I'm sure you wouldn't even understand or care. I usually skip your fallacy anyway.
So because multiple people who say I'm saying this or that are more than me, that somehow means their opinion holds more weight than mine. I see that people like you are swayed by false logic which is why you will never understand what I'm talking about. I never made any claims about what you are or what you know, but you do that a lot about me. Nine tenths of men who are regarded as men of intellect are more likely to be convinced by false logic than the true, so it's hardly unexpected.
I'm willing to listen to anyone, but when you're not willing to confirm with me that you know what I'm telling you and why, simply because you don't know me, that just means you're just an elitist and a know-it-all.
The reason I think UR is lame is because _________________________.
Because right now all you've just said was lol I never told you why I thought UR was lame noob! Now let me talk about how you treat me while still not telling you! ha!
You also can't blame him for not understanding you when again, you haven't even explained your proper and logical reasoning as to why UR is specifically lame to you.
The burden of proof is not mine, you are the one making a claim. You gave no proof and simply stated it does excessive damage. I gave examples of powers that exceeded said damage, you continue to claim that it doesn't mean you're wrong. People who actually show up and pvp have told you you're wrong. You hide behind anonymity whereas folks can actually find my characters and see me fight first hand. I don't make claims without actual experience behind them, however you seem to, that is the difference.
I can be pretty damn egotistical, I've put in way too many hours in this game. But I don't go claiming something is cheating without providing solid reasons why. You believe your reasons are solid when the sole reasoning you're standing on is that YOU believe it does too much damage.
I know that responding to you makes me end up sounding like a jerk. Not so much because I detest you, simply because people disagree with you and you suddenly make it out like they're elitist. I am elitist, look at my posts at having to carry lowbies through alerts. I've even stated I consider myself one.
I just think its funny you come in here and state opinions and yet won't even give up your handle. If someone disagrees with you, they're wrong because you must be right, regardless if the majority tells you otherwise. I don't go declaring opinions on the RP community because I wouldn't know anything about said community.
But I do pvp and do so regularly. Let me give you some kill counts:
Alyssa - 4077 player kills
Fantasy Girl - 1197 player kills
Reiyn - 3360 player kills
I'd grab more, but I haven't finished compiling my list. That's just 3 of 17 level 40s. I should have at least 3 more that break 1000, if not more.
Suffice it to say, I've been around the block. Of course one could say I made up those numbers, and even if I take a screen shot of each screen someone could say its photoshopped shev style. But if that were the case, I would have never become a Spectre.
But really when all is said and done, I know I've got pvp experience, and don't hide behind anonymity. You're expecting me to prove an opinion wrong, your opinion. And the sad thing is, you're claiming a power that next to no pvp regular actually bothers to use is cheating.
You don't even state something plausible, like imbue which isn't consumed on most heals like intended, and actually allows for higher sev than intended, both of which are documented and proven as can be seen by the upcoming nerf.
The fact that you keep this up even though this thread was about the double bubble setup which actually does EXPLOIT imbue. In fact, even an 8 stack enrage UR usually won't hurt much unless its IMBUED as most UR setups wont have solid sev to begin with.
I don't mind that you want to believe UR is cheating. I do mind you think its fact and are afraid to let the pvp community know who you are so everyone (as in people other than myself) could prove you wrong.