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I posted this in general discussions as well, but I'll post it here in case developers are more likely to look here than in in the general forum.
I'm a City of Heroes refugee. I'm sure that by now everybody knows all too well what is going on with CoH. The one feature, in my opinion, that CoH has that sets it above all other superhero rpgs is a function called Mission Architect, which is a tool enabling players to create their own missions. This is important for any number of reasons: for example, prominent PC heroes can tell their backstories this way, tell backstories of canon content, ask "what ifs", and develop their own worlds.
CO doesn't have Architect, but a couple of PWE's other MMOs, notably Star Trek Online and Neverwinter Online have (or will have) a Foundry, a tool that basically serves the same function as CoH's Mission Architect (except that from what I hear Foundry is likely to be better than Architect, because Architect can only make instanced missions and not multiplayer zones, which Foundry rumoredly can). With a Foundry, CO would not only be on a par with CoH in terms of replayability, customizeability, and overall fun.
Having a Foundry in CO is such an obvious feature to include that I don't doubt that you've got people at least brainstorming ideas for it at this very moment, and that its inclusion in CO is nothing short of inevitable. I just want to give it a push to perhaps a higher spot on your priority list.
And, to quote myself in the general thread, the slogan of those still fighting to save CoH is "We're Heroes. It's what we do." We're going to try. With a miracle, we may even succeed. But if it turns out that we can't save Paragon City, give us what we need to do the next best thing. Give us the tools we need to build a new Paragon, here, in Millennium.
I'm a City of Heroes refugee. I'm sure that by now everybody knows all too well what is going on with CoH. The one feature, in my opinion, that CoH has that sets it above all other superhero rpgs is a function called Mission Architect, which is a tool enabling players to create their own missions. This is important for any number of reasons: for example, prominent PC heroes can tell their backstories this way, tell backstories of canon content, ask "what ifs", and develop their own worlds.
CO doesn't have Architect, but a couple of PWE's other MMOs, notably Star Trek Online and Neverwinter Online have (or will have) a Foundry, a tool that basically serves the same function as CoH's Mission Architect (except that from what I hear Foundry is likely to be better than Architect, because Architect can only make instanced missions and not multiplayer zones, which Foundry rumoredly can). With a Foundry, CO would not only be on a par with CoH in terms of replayability, customizeability, and overall fun.
Having a Foundry in CO is such an obvious feature to include that I don't doubt that you've got people at least brainstorming ideas for it at this very moment, and that its inclusion in CO is nothing short of inevitable. I just want to give it a push to perhaps a higher spot on your priority list.
And, to quote myself in the general thread, the slogan of those still fighting to save CoH is "We're Heroes. It's what we do." We're going to try. With a miracle, we may even succeed. But if it turns out that we can't save Paragon City, give us what we need to do the next best thing. Give us the tools we need to build a new Paragon, here, in Millennium.
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Whatever the issue is, I suspect (despite the lack of any real evidence) that they've been making adjustments along the way toward making it easier.
At least, I hope so; a Foundry is very possibly the most-requested feature for this game. (Also, I have several adventure ideas I'd love to put together.)
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As I interpreted that statement:
"We know how to make it, just we have to tailor that to CO."
I wouldn't use those words to describe that. They would have to tag assets in game as well as possibly make more exclusively for the Foundry. They would also have to go through and tag NPCs to accept Foundry quests as well as potentially adjust maps and invent new ones as well. It won't be a "quick" process, but it will probably happen.
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As simple as this sounds it isn't chances are every tree, dustbin plant and other environment will need to be tagged, possibly renamed and made ready for the foundry.
Then they need to tag every door, every static NPC and every environment item we can interact within in the open world and list them in the foundry as well as deciding if there's any we can't use.
Then they have to tag and possibly rename every enemy group in the game.
And by then they may be ready to start implementing the Foundry.
Well, you yourself said six months, approximately, following NO's release - that's quicker than a couple of years, which I might have otherwise been afraid of.
Well I want it, but I'm not holding my breath.
It another case of CO rebuilding the new Cryptic and it's reward is all of it best developers and cash being moved over to the NEW thing, while CO lags behind those new projects.
As for the CO not being ready for it.. well that's their own fault. Because they're basically telling us that they never intended for CO to have it when they were making CO they had already made MA on CoH and when coming over here, decided 'Nah, we're not going to do it here.' And didn't labe stuff or what ever while they were making this game.
Kind of in the same way they didn't think to make fully palette shifting colors [i.e. black and white shift] on all powers even thought they'd done it before, on CoH
Oh and the EXIT mission option, which they'd had before.. and Emotes... and .. bah don't get me started.
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It was designed for STO first, that was always going to be the test system for the Foundry, to get it ready for Neverwinter. It made sense to do it that way, considering the IP for STO and the chance that between the Foundry and STO you could have a pretty big draw to the game, which meant more subscriptions.
Now it didn't really work out that well, but given a choice for which game to work on it first, STO made much more sense. Lets face it CO pretty much feel flat on it's face on release... So pumping a lot of dev money in it at that time didn't make sense.
That true I suppose in some ways, but as I mentioned in my above post, it's clear they didn't even plan for it, like a lot of things they just didn't think about it and after Co 'fell flat' as you said, they gutted development staff for STO and then NWN.
At this point I'd be kind of shocked if they went back and found the money and Dev staff to add this to Co or just shrugged and said "bah, who cares."
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Anyway, I also recall the dev commentary along the lines of 'yeah we want to but can't yet' and this was 6-8 months ago.
Ah well, in that distant horizon when it might come to us, presumably the kinks from two other iterations can be worked out and we'll get the best version possible.