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First of all, Welcome!
Second, there is a particularity with the Champions Online Character Creator that I believe that you need to know about. The Character Creator is level gated in this game. Only a very basic, highly streamlined version will be available until you level up one character to, I believe, around Level 10. This is a negligible amount of in game time with a Toon that, in all likelihood, most people would not end up keeping, anyway. Most likely it will take you anywhere from 1-5 hours, depending on how much time you spend chatting, fiddling with the settings, or just enjoying the scenery. Then you can go back and get the full Champions Online experience.
I feel the need to mention this because the Character Creator is this games single best feature, and the best selling point for people coming in from other MMO's.
I would hate to see you folks turned off on the game because of a poor excuse for an early Character Creation experience.
Hope this helps and once again Welcome to the Game.
P.S.: This would be a good time and place for some of you other experienced players out there to chime in with early game "need to know" items that you feel could be of some use to these new members of our Massively Multi-Player Online Dysfunctional Family here at Champions Online!
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Second, there is a particularity with the Champions Online Character Creator that I believe that you need to know about. The Character Creator is level gated in this game. Only a very basic, highly streamlined version will be available until you level up one character to, I believe, around Level 10. This is a negligible amount of in game time with a Toon that, in all likelihood, most people would not end up keeping, anyway. Most likely it will take you anywhere from 1-5 hours, depending on how much time you spend chatting, fiddling with the settings, or just enjoying the scenery. Then you can go back and get the full Champions Online experience.
I feel the need to mention this because the Character Creator is this games single best feature, and the best selling point for people coming in from other MMO's.
I would hate to see you folks turned off on the game because of a poor excuse for an early Character Creation experience.
Hope this helps and once again Welcome to the Game.
P.S.: This would be a good time and place for some of you other experienced players out there to chime in with early game "need to know" items that you feel could be of some use to these new members of our Massively Multi-Player Online Dysfunctional Family here at Champions Online!
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'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
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Also, if you're playing free and are thinking about subbing, your costume choices grow even larger when you do subscribe.
Regardless of City's character creator, these players are here now, and there's no use disparaging their game.
Herm...Need to know things...
Probably one of the best suggestions 'To know' is to hold off on the Alert content that is thrown at you until you are roughly level fifteen or so. By then, you will have a basic understanding of how the powers mesh and work, and you will have decent gear as well as a selection of powers to choose from to use.
And one of the best ideas, is to simply ask for help. Don't know something? Post it here, we have many a person that are knowledgeable about the game and its systems.
Deliciously nutritious!
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Just ain't the time for that!
I can't say this with greater than about a 90% degree of confidence, because I had left lvl 10 in the dust long before this "streamlining" nonsense was put in, but that was my understanding of how it worked.
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Does the enhanced character creator have better faces? Because if there's one thing which put me off in CO it's the character faces.
Maybe you didn't access the interface if you think the faces in game look bad.
The defaults are pretty awful.
It's a cartoon. And though CoH's faces were more dated and needed update, CoH as a whole was a much darker, grittier game.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪[/i][/center]
Ignore the munkey. But welcome to CO :biggrin:
Oh Yeah, MUCH better!
In fact you are not even limited to human heads!
There are dozens on Monsters, Deamons, Alians, Insects, Robots and Animals to choose from.
Then there are the hundreds of asorted Masks, Helmets, Hats, and Accessories. You can make just about anything.
Take a look in the Costumes And Concepts section of this forum for some inspiration if you need it.
Hope this helps.
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'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
But in CO you can have a big bubble helmet with a floating brain.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
There were tons of alternative head options in CoH too, to be fair, although nothing like the Shark Head. We did have wolves, birds, minotaurs, bats, fish, lizards, yes even the brain in a jar, with lots of sub options for each of those.
CoH had dated and rather low poly models, there's simply no denying that, but it still had a lot of options, especially with texture skins for all the categories. CO seems to, at least from a glance, lack some "basics" for people aiming for a more golden age aesthetic, although there's still plenty to work with. Most things about the CO models that people dislike can be fixed using the insane amount of sliders, but not the "plasticy" finish on the skin. It's hard to actually say either game has more options in the grander scheme, but they at least have very different ones. I really like Champions more fleshed out colour schemes, asymmetric details, and general detail anchor points.
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'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
Now that, I do like the sound of! Finally, Cheese Slicer and Edaminator can face off against one another.
It's pretty sad too, as I love it.
have a couple of questions as a new player, and am looking for the CO analogs to COH. i am sure many of you played COH, and went thru the same transition, so here's hoping i can get some insight.
first, i am a bit of a solo'er, not anti social or anything, just play odd hours, or with lots pf breaks. that being said, how is solo progression in this game? is it doable? and if so, what kind of power "sets" work best for that? don't get me wrong, i am be no means a min-maxer, i have no interest in "teh l33t ub3r bildz" i would just like to be somewhat self sufficient.
for example, how bad is tank damage? can you actually make it through more than a mob every 10 minutes, or is there a more "brute/scrapper" type build?
how is ranged combat? i love some of the options here for powers, my first toon is a hybrid achetype, the energy blastery type, sounded like a great form of a comic staple that COH never really nailed in my opinion. is a ranged energy blasting type a solo option, will i just be frustrated by how much i die?
i know this was kind of rambling, sorry. i haven't been in this position for a long time... new to the game and no idea what i"m doing. it's disorienting to say the least.
Solo progression is pretty easy and straightforward.
Powersets vary, one of the big pluses of CO is the massive mixing and power customization [ie we don't need no stinking classes] that said, it can also be a pitfall.
Here's the general section on Builds and Roles, look through here, there's a very good chance someone has written up a build just like or very close to one you'd like..
http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=160
Heck we even take requests!
This thread will help a lot, but it's a dense read I admit.
http://co-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=110987
But a lot of people find high DPS frameworks good leveling [wind/fire/electricity]
Tough durable frameworks are also popular [Might, Besital, Power Armor]
But I'm not kidding when I tell you you can make a good leveling build out of any powerset or mix of, but some are better than others.
I've only scratched the surface.
Oh you can sweep through minions in seconds, villains and master villains are the one to keep an eye out for.
Even if only because they last longer. The game expects you to mop up minions quickly, they are often grouped with one 'tough guy' villain, clear the weak ones and then bust the tough guys chops
Most of my solo leveling has been with ranged toons, it's no problem at all.
But..
I'll give you my short list of tips for starting out and early progression...
Here we are now going to the West Side
Weapons in hand as we go for a ride
Some may come and some may stay
Watching out for a sunny day
Where there's love and darkness and my sidearm
In game as @forgemccain
First off, welcome to the game!
Sounds like you are going to feel right a home here.
You see, this game is a Solo players dream.
Just about everything but a few 5 man lairs and the Alerts are solo-able by just about any free form player and the over whelming number of Archtypes. And with experience and preparation many of those 5 man lairs are solo-able.
As to survivability and damage, as a Gold member it is ENTIRELY up to you!
You can choose literally ANY level of the two based on your Passive, your Toggle and your Superstats, without even getting into your Gear.
In fact, some of the most popular and powerful Tanking builds are actually energy blasting ranged characters.
For instance you can choose a Defensive passive such as Regeneration or Defiance or Invulnerability to make you MUCH harder to kill, or you can slot an Offensive one such as Kinetic Manipulation or one of the Elemental Forms to give you a massive damage buff, Or you can choose something like Quarry which will give you a very nice blend of Offence and Healing along with Stat. buffs for Ranged characters.
You can choose to make Con. your primary Superstat and get a big bump to your Health or as a secondary one and get a lesser bump. Or you can choose ones like Str. for melee damage, Ego for ranged damage, or Dex. for crit. chance and forgo Con. entirely, relying on your ability to obliterate all opposition before it ever threatens you!
And for each type of character there is a special Toggle ability which acts as a second, weaker, Passive.
I would recommend checking out the Combat and Powers section of the Forums for more and better info.
Hope this helps.
'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
thanks folks!
gonna go look through the powers and combat section... the freeform approach sounds complicated but fun.
on a side note, between my post and now i went in, made a second toon, spent 30 minutes getting the costume to "OK" status (apparently i can really tweak it at lvl 10), hit "play now" and it fails, have to relogin... this happened last night too, when i made my first toon. should i be logging in with my PW account or my cryptic.... which i think are the same thing, but there is still a radio button option. or is it just a glitch?
If you're working from an older account that you haven't used in a long time, you may still have a Cryptic login.
They are currently in the process of merging the accounts. At some point you'll -have- to have a Perfect World login. I'm guessing most have already converted over. They're keeping the option for Cryptic login probably for a while though, in case older account holders come back and haven't heard about the changes.
QFT. This is some pretty solid advice.
For DPS, your mantra is "kill them before they kill you"
For Tanks you NEED crippling challenge & challenging strikes, and need to learn how to use them in teamplay.
For Might, build up 3 stacks of knocks BEFORE using your power hit or you're going to irritate your teammates, especially the melee teammates.
Remember to block the following:
- Heavy charged up attacks (i.e.: Mega Destroid's energy wave attack)
- Attempts to hold you (some enemies you need to wait until they're done trying)
- Heavy debuff-stacking maintains (i.e.: Valerian's Soul Flay maintain)
Also, remember to NEVER attack Baron Cimetiere when he blocks (exception being if you or a teammate can cancel his blocking with Crippling Challenge).Auction House = AH = the safest way to trade stuff in the game
Also, for all "Open Missions", getting a higher score gives you extra resources/gold, but the % chance drop for a rare item is the same whether you're at the bottom or top of the scoreboard. This is coming from what is undoubtedly a few thousand open missions I've completely (Blood Moon farming mostly) and intentional statistical testing.
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
And I'm devastated at the loss of COH myself. And I'll be over there pretty much non-stop until the end of November. But I'll check in here from time to time and see if anyone needs questions answered. I don't know everything, but I can and will help answer questions about this game. I want to do something positive rather than sulk.
And if we don't get a miracle by the end of November, then I'll be over here a lot more and much more actively helping then.
Freeform on the other had, can use any role and switch up on the fly. You even have the ability to set up pre-set builds that can swap out gear, tool bar powers, and role, with a single click.
The advantage is, say you wanna play a tank. Thats great in a group, not so ideal when solo. Solo you might wanna ditch some protection for DPS. Just switch from Tank to Hybrid role and youll do pretty much that. All without having to change your passive.
I want to join in welcoming any COH players coming here. CO is a little different, but it has some great possibilities too. I made the change a while ago, and you can too, if you want. It hurts to lose Paragon, but you will gain a lot of things too.
Doubt anyone would remember Christine the Cat from COH, but if you do drop me a line!
I think what I like most about CO is the freeform design. But I have to admit...I miss having a place like Atlas Park. I met a lot of new friends there just hanging out. Some of the best SGs I was in came from meeting people there.
My generic advice would be to embrace Freeform soonish. Doesn't have to be immediately per say, but it's certainly why I play at all. Testing, tinkering, and such. The choices are pretty groovy, as is the ability to mix sets which is often quite rewarding.
Also don't be tempted to do constant nonstop Alerts. That way the dark side lay!
"Stronger? No. Quicker, easier, more seductive. But if ever you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny! Consume you it will!"
- David Brin, "Those Eyes"
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Formerly @SteelDominator in COH
Proud member of Earthguard SG/Phoenix Phalanx
As for advice about CO - I have a few nuggets.
- If you don't know something send a shout in Zone chat, we were all new at one point and I know that I am still learning from other people's questions.
- Create to your heart's content and let your imaginations soar.
- Play the tutorial at least once just to get a handle on how things work in the game and maybe even don't do Alerts with your first character, just to actually see the story and really get a shot of the ol' Champions experience.
- Blocking is important and can be and is a lifesaver. Enemies give tells (comic word bubbles like BAM! or BOOM!) so you know a powerful attack is coming.
- While the game is mostly solo play, you can get some awesome Team play here and there between lairs, events, alerts and later on Nem Con: Where everyone's custom made Nemesis' come together to fight your team.
- Just have fun
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Thanks Yoda... -_-
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I like newbies! :-3
(I don't like noobs, their arrogance combined with their ignorance annoys me)
One of the game best features, definitely!
FYI: Homages are ok, but no clones please. Be original!
Alerts don't teach you anything nor do you get to enjoy the journey. Alerts are for grinding because you're bored of leveling normally or are grinding away for Questionite.
This is important. Blocking isn't a very difficult skill to learn, but it is essential to learn.
Actually... I'd argue the game as a whole is more fun when you do it with a team (not to mention you get extra XP for teaming up)
If you only want solo play, why are you playing a MMORPG? Why not just play an RPG then? (sometimes it's good to take things at your own pace so you can enjoy it without being rushed, but that just means you should find a friend who's patient enough to go at your pace)
"Just have fun & do your best!" -- my motto
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
I?ve been here in CO since July 2011 and, though I?ve taken two breaks (I?ve actually just come back from my second break in order to try out the Night Avenger powerset), I think I?ll probably be here until CO goes the same way as COX. I?m not sure how the power customisation compares with COX (as I only had access to the restricted ?free? version of COX during my week there) but it?s still a pretty great system. I have around twelve freeform characters now and they?re all completely different. I?m pretty sure that you?ll find the character customisation to be almost as good as COX (although bear in mind that COX had several more years to add new costumes). I?ve seen some incredible characters made using the creator ? only last night in an Alert, someone had perfectly replicated the alien from the Alien movies (if anyone knows how he did that ? please let me know!) You?ll probably find the combat system a bit difficult after your time in CO but, once you get the hang of it, you?ll probably love it as much as I do. It?s one of the main reasons I like this game so much as it combat is fast and fluid, and feels a lot more like a console game than the standard MMO.
We don?t have as much content as you COX but, what we do have is pretty good. I recommend getting a team together and going through some of the adventure packs at one point. You?ll find that people are generally quite willing to help you if you ask a question in global chat and I?ve helped out a few people myself with the early missions.
Anyway, enough rambling. To those of you who have just joined us, I am glad to see you here. I?ve already had the pleasure of chatting with a few ex-COX players and they?ve been really nice people. Your addition is a benefit to our community.
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Good to see some names I recognise too, even you Cheese...
Oh, btw, how do i change my avatar to my custom one? I see the change avatar link but it's only giving me the option to use an ingame avatar, not to download a custom one... thanks.
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You forgot the single most important rule in all of Champions Online:
-You've got to shut down ALL those beacons!
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'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
And don't forget to block!
Oh, wait, they already said that.
Fup it... :cool:
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I'm more the type that fills shortages of certain roles/types for groups of all kind. ;o
And probably, I'll be gone in the CC for a quite a while for that, lol. :C
Former CoH Player. - Paradox Fate
Current Character - Crescent[?]
Nothing fancy here. We pretty much have the main 3 of the holy trinity. Tank, DPS, and Healer.
DPS has been broken down to ranged and melee. The game encourages you to be one or the other. Mixing both ranged and melee often results in one or the other being lackluster.
Support roles, pretty much get broken down into healers....and well healers. Crowd control abilities are next to worthless. So there is little joy or use in being a controller. Support classes have access to group auras that can buff. But they are a passive "always on" type power that really doesn't lend itself to buffer style play. Most folks take an aura to either help themselves mostly. Or they take it to make their role as a healer easier.
CO allows you to make the feared tankmage. You can fill all roles.
My main has massive ranged ST DPS, AOE DPS, self and group healing, mobility, and can tank too. No controls because frankly they don't work on mobs you would want them on, and I can 2-3 shot practically everything else.
Don't look to fill one roll. You can fill all roles at a superior level.
I also urge you to check the AH to see which stats are worth using and those stats that arent worth your time. The prices on gear make it pretty clear.
Yes, there's sort of the "holy trinity", for better or worse. There's also a wide range of blended characters. Tanks and healers with notable DPS, tanks that also are substantial healers, etc.
Archetypes are predictable what their roles will be in combat, freeform builds you should ask. And keep in mind many people who make their builds think they are good at everything, when they are not. There's real benefit in freeform builds to specializing at something, focusing around just one or two active powers (i.e.: the "focus of the build")
The question you should be asking a freeform teammate is "What is the focus of your build?" rather than "Are you a tank/healer/DPS?" You also not truly a tank in this game if you're not packing the Crippling Challenge and Challenging Strikes advantages, just being in tank role isn't enough to hold & pull agro in a team setting.
But DO NOT make the mistake of thinking all support are healers!!! This is far from the case, and sadly there are a lot of noobs lately who are really quite mean & rude to other players they incorrectly assume are healers just because they're in support role.
I know of several characters, including one of my own (she uses the AoED slotted passive), that are DPS in support role and are not healers. Just because you see the '+' icon above their head doesn't mean they're necessarily designed to be a dedicated healer!
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
Heh!, I run into the same problem myself with my Pet Class Support characters! I am open and upfront in Alerts and other Pugs that I am not a healer at the very beginning of the Alert, but there are still SOOOOO many people who still believe that that Cross means healer and if you are not healing you are "doing it wrong", rather that playing another KIND of support character.
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'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
Agreed, in my effort to keep it simple...a lot got left out.
I also get annoyed when folks mistake me for a healer, simply because of the role Im in. That said, my point stands that you will rarely find a dedicated supporter, discounting ATs of course. Most folks either run in support role for their own reasons...and if it helps the group, that's a bonus. Or they are running a healer.
A non healing, group centered, dedicated supporter are about as rare as dedicated controllers. :biggrin:
And yeah, it sounds freeform can do alot of things here and make it much more interesting to check out various builds.
However, I'm a knack for support/hybrid AT's so I try to find my corner here. The Impulse and Grimoire are interesting concepts, but I can't decide what I like more to test out.
Ah, the unending struggle for the fitting AT - As worse as finding the perfect costume.
But again, thank you guys alot for the information so far, I apprechiate that.
Former CoH Player. - Paradox Fate
Current Character - Crescent[?]
The Grim, can be fun. Its not a powerhouse by any means. But it can hold its own and does well both solo and as part of a group. Provided you have a tank smart enough to keep the baddie on one place long enough for your sigils to nuke the snot out of it. :biggrin: