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bjoernr
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Just a little video about vehicles
enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVyRuIgOL_g&feature=youtu.be
New mechanics? Seems more like TP Skin Devices for me ...
enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVyRuIgOL_g&feature=youtu.be
New mechanics? Seems more like TP Skin Devices for me ...
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also,they blow superspeed out of the water with that speed.I mean,WOW,you can cross the whole MC,Canada,or desert map in a 10 to 20 seconds!!
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Well the vehicle itself looks good, I hope we're able to re-colour it. I also hope the vehicles are easier to control than it looks like in this video.
My real problem is with allowing vehicles unlimited access to open areas. I foresee a lot of griefing going on with this.
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Amazing.
Feel free to continue to point out the obvious however, if it makes you feel better.
But we can go faster now,thats the good thing,and those things have some god damage on them,the DPS jet at least.
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Yeah .. i'm already very excited to see how Vendors are no longer selectable since there
are masses of these stupid vehicles parked arround them :redface:
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This is true, but you have to give credit to those non powered vigilantes. And dont forget that there will eventually be more options than just jets.
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Still .. who oft them really fights against his enemies while sitting in whatever vehicle
and shoots with the guns from the vehicle ?
Some super soldiers,vigilantes,non-superpowered people,and alot of other people fight in vehicles.
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Good point. This whole vehicle thing could have been introduced much faster if they had just done them as new options for TPs like most people wanted.
But its all to coincide with Nighthwak and cash in on the Batman craze, of which flies around in a jet with weapons.
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Also, it makes more sense for a non-powered hero who fights crime with his fists, to pack a little more firepower when fighting something like a Mega-Destroid.
Seriously, take on the Mega-D in one of the jets. It's pretty fantastic. Just gotta make sure you boost out of range of his electrical field burst because the jets don't have a blocking power.
I can imagine cosmic fights with the jets,that boost will come in handy,as will the very powerful attacks it can do,hmm,when these things come out I have GOT to go grondhunting with the jets,it'd be much faster than using Superspeed+teleportation combo
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Also, if we are all in Jets and what not will the vehicle's powers scale with our own?
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Not everything in this game is tailor made for someone's individual and specific tastes. This is a ballpark game, there is room for every taste. I wasn't entirely thrilled with the buffet of ghosts, ghouls and goblins in Vibora Bay (especially given what it is in the PnP..whoops off topic :biggrin: ). But y'know what? It wasn't for me
Yes, we have been lacking content, yes one could accuse Vehicles and costumes and TPs as another distracting-not-as-good-substitution for content like lairs, new zones and story driven missions. But the Vehicle System, as has been advertised and proto-typed so far on the forums and PTS, is for some people.
In cape fiction there is already a long standing history of the appearances of vehicles being used by a costumed hero, or a team of heroes
Just because something isn't for you doesn't set a precedent to ho-hum and justify via fridge logic about how it doesn't "fit".
Tell me just some names of known Superheroes .. beside Batman.
Moon knight,Blue Beetle,and if you want to add PA superheroes into the mix since,well a PA suit IS a vehicle,then there are TONS of them
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I'm sure the Punisher and Captain America used vehicles from time to time. Fantasic Four did on occasion, and the X men had the blackbird jet since mutants powers were very niche.
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Perhaps, but Vibora Bay didnt introduce power options that are superior to what exists in the game outside of that zone. If VB is inappropriate conceptually for your character you are not locked out of power options.
If VB had introduced new powers available only to those who went there (note that it did originally and they removed that restriction) and an increase in TP speed only for those who went there, your analogy might hold up.
At a guess, what percentage of their combat scenes centered around the vehicles instead of their powers (CO's vehicles will not allow both) ?
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PA doesn't count .. we have PA here already. So if Iron Man flies a Jet and fight with the
weapons of the jet .. thats what we get here.
I don't ask about traveling with a vehicle .. i asked about fighting. And i never saw the X-Men
crusing above Magneto and shooting Rockets onto him. Fantastic Four also .. they use their
fantastic-car for traveling but jump out of it to fight.
I don't know much about the punisher so can't say what he does. Cap so far i also saw maybe
use a Motorcycle, just like Wolverine .. but not one with Rockets and Guns.
Also the Owl, the Green Hornet, Batman, the Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, Blade, Lobo, Fantomex, Wonder Woman, Punisher, X-men, Power Pack, Blue Beetle, Robin, Huntress, Captain America, Wolverine, Mystery Men, and the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen all had and/or fought at some point from their vehicles. There are others as well.
Heck even Space Ghost and Gatchaman did too.
You see, dude, I 100% agree with you. I didn't ***** when The Mountain, Scourge, or Tempest powersets came out- none of which interested me in the least. I don't ***** when mystical-themed costume sets come out.
But I will say this: Here you have THE WORST player base of all times. They wonder why devs don't communicate with them, it's because they WHINE about the stupidest things: "Boo-Hoo, my character doesn't use a vehicle! Where's my toy!"
So they're faster. SUCK IT. It's a new thing and I'm sick of all the crying by people who... I honestly can't for the life of me figure out why they're threatened by this. TP's have the ability to not be targeted in PvP- no one bitches about that. But here's this and they're throwing a fit.
Cryptic PWE would be wise to just go with the positive and only listen to the negative when it comes to SERIOUS balance issues or bugs. Otherwise, this spoiled and self-entitled fanbase will find a reason to cry about everything.
Agreed,I like the vehicles just the way they are now(well performance wise,appearance needs work),I like having a superfast way of transit,I like having something like the jets for both concept wise,and functionality,its about time we got something faster than superspeed!
keep the Jets the way they are in the PTS now,add colors,icons and customization of course,but keep speed and powers how they are.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasticar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_plane
The only one i agree of the ones i know is Green Hornet so far. But then we could also
now maybe call Michael Knight a Superhero.
The have fought from the jet. I recall Storm using her powers from the jet for offense and defense as well as Cyclops and Jean Grey.
They've fought various flying or extra-large bad guys using it.
Oh man the Battle Van is half armory and half tank.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb57524/marveldatabase/images/b/b3/Punisher_battle_van.jpg
Don't forget Hawkeye's sky bike or the the Black Knight's Atomic Steed.
I think all-in-all there is definitely enough precedent in comics to have high-tech vehicles. If if it doesn't exactly follow what others have done, then it be comes new and unique.
The difference is : HER powers .. not the Jets powers .. really so hard to understand the difference ?
The point of the game to create your own superheroes, not be exactly like the ones that already exist. There will always be inspirations from the comics, but I for one have plenty of characters that could conceivably use vehicles to fight in from time to time.
I still feel plenty of players would have been happy if they were just another mode of transportation, but that isnt the direction they are going with.
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in fights. Poor Black Fang .. i already see how confused he will look when 5 X-Wings
are shooting on him. But maybe the Villains now are getting a Death Star :eek:
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And that is a valid concern, and hopefully one that should be a non issue. There should be a place for the vehicles and a place for just the heroes themselves. No vehicles in alerts, no vehicles in lairs or interior maps. I can see a jet fighter aiding in taking down mega d or grond though.
Only time will tell. Its still early and there is a lot of testing to be done.
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it would be cool to blow up if we hit a building,but if we go to the ground that could just be landing,but still...explosions.....Vehicles......cool
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I just had the image in my brain of an Enterprise, an Exelsior and a Defiant class Spaceship
fighting against Galactus .. and then how that would look in a lair against Therakiel
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It's already been pointed out that vehicles are going to be limited to exterior maps only in the future release.
Currently on the PTS, this limitation is not in place, and the devs have pointed out their reasons for it. But they have just as quickly reminded us that the vehicles will be map-restricted in the future.
This isn't exactly a "time will tell" situation as much as it's a "they already told us this information" situation.
Can't wait to see what the devs have in store for us.
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As long as a non-vehicle using superhero will not be locked out of vehicle content, and are not at a disadvantage compared to vehicle using characters I will look forward to the vehicles eagerly. I have a couple of characters for whom these would be an excellent option.
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Lemme put it to you this way: They aren't that effective. Seriously, I tested them out and I'm better off climbing out of the jet and shooting at them on the ground. The damage from these things is weak at best. As far as I can see it, it's better as a transport than a become.
As long as my vehicle using characters dont have the ability to get to their mission locations faster than my non vehicle using characters, and dont have access to content that my non vehicle using characters lack, I am very happy to see this addition to the game.
I have /signed more suggestions for vehicles in CO than I can recall. Fingers are crossed that it is provided as an option for those characters for whom it fits, without giving them an advantage over those for whom it won't.
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Yeah well, what they have "said" and what they have "done" are very often two different things. Needless to say, what they have already said IS the logical way to handle it and anybody worried about vehicles breaking the game probably should not be.
On the note about non vehicle users given access to vehicle only content, that will probably not happen. And I don't really see vehicle content being all that necessary that it would leave the people who don't want vehicles behind. If it does, then I will join you in complaining about it (even though I do have characters who will use them).
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And I hear your point, but- let me counter-argue here... *Slides over a beer*
All right, correct me if I'm wrong here, BUT:
Rocket boots, and I think even jetpack is faster than standard flight. Teleport has the advantage of making you practically undetectable. Other powers have advantages... so what makes this device different? I don't see why it shouldn't have the advantage of speed, considering you're gimped as HELL in combat with these things.
I mean, you get what you pay for in all the extra TP's, so... I don't see what the deal is with these being different.
The person playing is driving it around like an idiot. Its actually as easy to control as a character but just much faster.
True enough.
... am I weird because I tried to do a 'horseshoe ringaround' on light poles with the wings of the jet?
From the vehicle gameplay videos up I've seen so far,the vehicles mechanics cause it to be somewhat fast,meaning it tends to slide like ice slide,and doesn't come to a complete stop right when you want it to,but the plus is we get a LOAD of speed,which is awesome,and helps out alot in terms of transit,but the down-side is the control it lacks in terms of stopping,turning,etc.
EDIT:saw the video,not to be mean or anything but the jet was a little crazy in flight,the pilot went into a recog store and rammed the MCPD clerk,but no offense
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The fact that a vehicle's combat abilities are less than some builds is not particularly relevant to a discussion of its travel speed capabilities because you are generally not fighting when traveling over distances.
A vehicle user has the option to switch between character combat mode and vehicle long distance transport mode as desired and as appropriate to the situation. No regular travel power provides such an advantage.
The damage output of the vehicles is literally infinitely higher while flying than it is on two of my three main characters so a claim of gimped status for the vehicles is fairly questionable...how much damage can your pure melee toon do while flying 50-100' over his targets ? Mine cannot fly that far over a target and do any damage at all. These vehicles wouldnt gimp the character, they would give him options that he doesnt currently have.
Will we be gimped as hell in combat with the vehicles once the power customization aspect is complete ?
Are the vehicles offensive capabilities gimped compared to ATs ? How does the Mind's DPS compare to one of these vehicles for example ?
You say, "you get what you pay for with all the extra TP's," my question is, what paid TP's give you a faster form of transport than anything else in the game AND additional attack powers ?
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