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Veteran's who have been subscribed to Champions Online: Free for All for 900 days or more will now receive their just rewards! This reward unlocks the following: "Vanguard of Thaar" Title, the new Avian Warrior Costume Set, and a special MOD, The Veteran's Core of Might. For more on veteran rewards, please see our Veteran Rewards page.
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Yeah, I'm happy I got it but I almost feel sorry for some people that were chomping at the bit to purchase it.
It's a mix of positive and negative emotions. Positive, as the Avian will be very rare in game, negative as there will be people who have to wait forever to make the toon they want and also, some of us may never reach 900 days, as the game may not still be going by the time we get there.
Sigh...
PS Putting up a big barrier to entry for this costume set is a hassle, but last time this sort of thing happened (the Art Deco set) Cryptic eventually relented by making LTS available to all. Fingers crossed.
I posted in another thread about this: I think this would be the perfect opportunity to revisit the unused oasis section of the desert. Add some mission arcs, perhaps expand the oasis a little bit, and have the costume pieces as either random drops or mission rewards.
So those of us who have been around since the games birth shouldn't be rewarded with something extra unique, because we put faith into something?? Get out of here with your strawberry haterade, I for one think those of us who have gone through EVERY change, nerf, fluke, glitch exploit and patch should get something that everyone person WONT have.
While I see your point about those who got the 900 day veteran reward having been the "biggest supports" of the game, I do not think that making a newly introduced costume set exclusive at this point in the game's life is the best idea...
Di you ever play City of Heroes? They had vet rewards there too and exclusive rewards for those woth4 -5 years plus...face it there are exclusive things for certain groups of people I fully agree with thier choice here...I've been here since pre weekend lunch and before sitting at 976 days less than a month and i'll be at 1000 days and I hope that Vet reward is flippin awesome and NOT available to everyone then it completely devalues the perk of putting int he time , blood, sweat and tears.
Jump start the market.
When they initially unveiled the set, it wasnt advertised as a "veteran reward", so players assumed that they would be able to gain them easily through the c-store upon release. Now they realize that they must sub for about two years to get the pieces they wanted.
Hell Yeah, I'll vote for that. : ) I hit 1000 in a month or two.
If I recall correctly this set was feature in the concept corner right?
Honestly, I think the best course of action in this type of scenario would be to offer a "basic" avian set as a regular costume pack and to make an "elite" version the vet reward - similar to how there's the spartan set and the vet reward spartan lion pieces.
The vet reward set could have a cool scalar armor texture or perhaps other feather patterns while the regular set is solid or something.
LOL i agree, but my question I am weighing what people are saying about this, and I'm still on the side of we put in the time we get the reward, just like with any vet or rewards program the more points the more prestigious the prize...why are so many upset over it if I recall there have been other vet rewards that feature costume pieces and no big "nerdrage" about those LOL. to be honest I like the fact that I have soem that says "HEY I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME" and I can now recognize fellow vets in turn.
but there is a set...the steelhawk set features "avian" like costume pieces as a "basic" set as you so deemed it and we vets get the "higher" quality set persay
Yeah, it was featured a while back.
I guess I shouldn't have said players, since I can't speak for everyone, but I know that a lot (inlcuding myself) thought that it would be released through the c-store.
I'm not mad about it or anything, but I'm sure down the road they'll provide an alternate way of getting it, like they did with the "revelation set".
Or maybe a neato grab bag!
Ok, I had to pay over 300 dollars to get it. Don't be mad. Is it worth 300 bucks to you? If so I'm sure they can come to some arrangement.
Considering I made a character specifically back then that I haven't touched much in hopes of getting atleast a much more decent head, probably like many others, you put the sought after set in that regard.
Unless there was those that were many that basically paid for this game from the very start, I don't see nearly anyone unlocking this or ever. Considering I have been on gold for a year now and enjoyed some of the benefits. With the new system in place, I was debating whether or not to keep it and just revert back to silver and archtype my way through with my characters and pay for those that I needed.
This is utter disappointment and a really shrewd business manuver, simply because you could have easily sold the set for a higher c store price or even put it in your Q store and really had an incentive for others to get it....but make everyone wait 900 days? You're out of your mind. That's putting it lightly. It does give those yes something for that margin but it's just very low. I wonder how many are actually just going to start dropping the gold subs now that this happened. I'm very close to doing so myself now.
Edit: Now that some of the shock wore off I would like to clarify this as well. It is wonderful for those that reach that milestone, but when cryptic needs more money to come in, and with the balance of the gold sub changed slightly due to the free adventure packs, setting something like this as an incentive that far away for most players (like myself) is just going to push them away from the service. The new way of playing the game right now with alerts is fun, but the problem is does not make it so in the same content to keep running and doing constantly with the same zest. In short, it will run repetitive and stale soon enough simply because there isn't really newer areas to explore. The been there done that has been on many and even though you give the game a fresh coat of paint for some areas and change how equips are done, you still are doing the same missions aside the alerts. How this set should have been handled was clearly one that should have benefited either instantly golds or lifers on whichever way to get it, instead of making it a reward that far away. Something new and possibly obtainable drives sales, something that far out that is nearly impossible to most is simply something that could push many away.
So they should just hand you everything or make it quickly and readily available to everyone and NOT give their vets something spectacular for their time, patience, and loyalty and just continue to give them small titles since you know titles are "rare" *gasp* and retcons and single costume pieces. I'm sorry but you sound selfish here you've been here what a year you said?? so you're a ftp baby right? when some of us "yes small numbers" have been here since alpha, Beta, and/or launch some of us even paid $200 for a "limited time" offer back then for Lifetime subs when we had NO CLUE how this game would be received but we did on "faith" alone, mind you LT subs are now always available ( THAT was a slap in the face in and of itself to a degree not to mention the FTP switch). and if I recall they never said HOW the set would be available and that it was in "Concept" meaning it had a chance of being implemented....not sure if you know what concepting in the comics/design world is ,but concepts aren't guaranteed to make it through the process. Its perfectly fine for them to reserve certain things for vets, hell they do it with silver and gold member ships...don't see you making a fuss there...but you are about something valued customers get for their time and service, money and loyalty??
Sorry was working on the edit. I'm all for the whole vet rewards thing, it's a nice perk. Check my account create, what I should have said is I have been more active for a year is what I am stating. I did dabble around beta I believe in some form but never really dabbled entirely until a more serious pace last year is what I mean. I still own the retail copy.
I guess that wasn't going to happen.
By the time the art deco pieces were released in the c-store, I'd already had them to myself for over a year. It didn't bother me that other people got to enjoy it, too.
If Cryptic would like to do something similar with the Avian set, like make it available in the questionite store next year, I'm perfectly ok with this. It actually bothers me that newcomers to games like City of Heroes (I'm a 4 year vet there) can never catch up to the old-timers when it comes to special veteran pieces.
So yes, let us vets have our shiny special thing for a year or so, and once the novelty has worn off provide everyone else a chance to acquire the set as well.
That's exactly the point that is irritating on the issue. If they just popped it in without real development on it and didn't specify but when they actually had some type of event they might do and this information was going to come about, that's what got many people excited for the set. There was a forum thread on it but I can't recall when.
It's understandable for it to possibly be this reward but not in the sense where it feels it was just tacked on so they had something to put there. It doesn't scream a way to make money when so many arguably would have paid for it.
I agree with this, in all honesty but my argument is people are just "umadbro"/UJelly" cause we get good swag right now and they don't LOL
Again key words: "when they actually had some type of event they MIGHT do " this means maybe, not guaranteed, concept ideas who knows something could have not worked right in production or inner testing, like they use to have black and white hues on the color slider for powers, but they removed them because a dev didn't like it. Could have been the case or money or any amount of variables...nothing is really set in stone till it patches
And thats exactly what this is. People want to buy the set. Locking it away behind a 900 day perk that most people will never see is like Cryptic saying they don't Want silver player's money...which is contrary to the whole way the FTP system is set up for this game.
900 day veterans aren't someone you need to sell on this game any longer. They're already heavily invested in its success or lifetimers allready. There's no reason a costume set with this wide of an appeal should be make exclusively available to them alone.
I can kind of buy into the idea of an elite and a normal avian set...but at least release the basic set to players.
Well yes that I can agree with you on, again after the shock wore off and probably with anyone else that is probably going to rage on this in some way or another things do change, but for this game or anything feasibly right now for entertainment, it's not the proper path to choose in rewarding people in some ways like this.
You brought up you were a lifer at most from day 1 so you paid approximately 200 correct? What it boils down to is not that you get something like this for basically nothing for the time you are on. Well in all faith in most games you already got your money's worth wouldn't you say? I'm no stranger to the gaming world and with many that do not have this option in place, it's rather a steal if you get to the point you are at now, it was money well spent. That risk paid off for you. Anything a company does for you is just icing on the cake in that circumstance which they have catered to you and in honesty they don't really have to in that aspect for doing so on these milestones as nice as they are. You already have the option to never pay again to play.
I take it that I am playing the game I subbed to at face value. I also look at it in a business persepective on for my investment on what will last longer. Right now I could be like you and life sub if I wish and cut out monthly payments, but like some I choose not to as in 1) I don't feel to pay that much up front and only for 2) I pay for what I will use. That is how most people think with how the economy is right now, and with a perk that could be harmful to the game, your attitude on it is bording elitist. The matter is those that play now are going to be paying a lot more than you ever had to, myself included. I may not have made all 900 days the same journey with you, but if it wasn't for those close to me I wouldn't have returned to mc as it were. They got me involved in playing again as I did so in getting others to join.
The attitude here isn't to wave a middle finger at those that are going to be dipping into Q store and the rest, simply because any lifer's lively hood at this point banks on others putting money into the game at any given time. The more that get pushed away over things like this means more money lost. You can have that shiny thing today, but will you be able to enjoy it with all the doors closed around you and with anyone?
I disagree with almost everything you've said so far.
I'm sorry that I've only been subscribed for only around 617 days out of the two years and a half years since I joined this game, or that I wasn't around at launch day to pay $200 for a LTS back then*, and as such cannot properly claim the same levels of "loyalty" and "faith" that you do. But I firmly believe that cosmetic options should not be exclusively locked behind a sub time, or even a sub or a special class of sub (such as the LTS**)--period.
I don't say this because I care about the Avian set (I currently don't have a character concept for it, and I prefer humanoid faces) or because I'm a silver member trying to cut into your action*. I just simply don't believe that cosmetic options should be locked away like some sort of "achievement" with no alternative for those willing to pay for them--like players have to "earn" the right, after many years of devoted subcription time, to finally play a character with the appearance they wanted since day one, or which they might not even feel like playing anymore (or even of playing the game after so long).
Yes, I know CoX did this. I played that game and believed that it was a horrible practice. It is a loose-loose senario where neither the players nor the company gets what they want. The players don't get to realize their character's concepts like they should (particularly in a game who's greatest strength lies in its appearance customization features), while the company doesn't make any money out of them because of it either.
Players should not be prevented from realizing they're character's concepts simply because over-entitled subscribers feel the need to keep things away from them under the guise of seniority.
Should veteran members get rewarded for their devotion to this game and the time they've spent subscribing to it? Perhaps. But I don't see it as some inherent right that we're supposed to have above all other players, and I certainly don't feel the need to keep other players from playing the character they want so I can stroke my own ego. Veteran rewards should be perks such as extra bags, bonus experience, maybe even grab bags (one every 20 levels achieved in a character)--stuff that's a benefit and may give subscribers an edge, but doesn't give them an unfair advantage or that other players may need to fullfill their own character's concepts.
Sell them at the store. Sell freeform, sell everything, I don't care--that's what microtransactions are for. It doesn't matter how people acquire things as along as they pay for them and contribute to the game. Subscriptions should be only about the convinience of having certain perks and services all wrapped up into a single package. Not about being part of some exclusive club that's somehow above other players.
*I've only payed exactly one year's worth of montly subscriptions, or $180, before I threw $300 on top of that when I was ready to make that kind of investment, or $480 total, plus more than half the costume sets, 50+ costume pieces, most of the hideouts, several travel power skins and other goods and services I can't remember off the top of my head right now, bad me
**with our exclusive pieces I no one else in the game has access to
This, pretty much sums up my feelings a lot more eloquently than I trust myself to type.
... Wow, I feel for the people who do. There was WAY too much hype over this set to lock it down as the 900 vet reward.
Should we blame The_Last on this? (I jest! I jest!)
So anything that people would spend money on shouldn't be an option for veteran rewards? You're arguing that veterans rewards should never be anything but crap no one wants?
Why have veteran rewards if they have to be garbage no one would spend a dime on because they are "wasted" on veterans?
Current 900 day veterans are not the only possible 900 day veterans (unless of course the game tanks, and if that's the case a few costume pieces not disseminating is least of everyone's worries). This could be easily seen as a method of increasing the perceived value of a subscription. And this at a time where so many people are complaining that subscriptions lack the value to make them worthwhile, especially since Cryptic made mention of the possibility of selling Freeform slots.
While I'm not sure if the Avian Warrior set is the "correct" thing to reward veterans with, the notion that seems to be put forward by a few in this topic is that veteran rewards should only be stuff that people don't actually want. That's... not the best idea. Especially since subscribing doesn't come with a massive number of perks as is.
There is nothing wrong with rewarding your loyal customers. Retail stores do it all the time with their rewards programs. Banks and credit card companies do it too with their loyalty and rewards programs. Why should an MMO company be any different with their loyal customers? Like I said I'm not sure the Avian set was the right choice but honestly we should be rewarded in some way other then more retcons, costume slots or heal devices. Even the bags we got aren't really special anymore since I've been reading you can just buy larger bags in game now. Exclusive costume pieces and sets seems fair to me.
I REALLY want the Avian set, but you realize this equates to a 2.5 year grind, right?
I agree completely.
Still, I hope we can convince Cryptic to make the set available to others like the Nephilim set (via drops from appropriate mobs), so that people that don't want to wait and have been dying for the set since it was first announced can have a fair shot at it.
The mod is pretty neat for what it's worth.