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Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
edited January 2012 in Controls and Interface
Thing is:

I'm making a character that uses Rage of Magesty combo xD ; that is AoPM with enrage and SS str, the problem is that the only power that gives enrage is enrage itself, so I decided to use key binding to solve me forgeting to press enrage, I did bindings for all my powers as :

"+PowerTrayExec enrage $$ +PowerTrayExec other"

and to my movements as:

"+PowerTrayExec enrage $$ +direction" including space as up

but I still wanted to create a command to keep enrage up or go building it while I'm still ; what I mean by it is that I wanted to create a loop command, one that could keep pressing enrage indefinately as long as I'm still or until I press the stop that damm loop button.

Is it possible to somehow create this kind of command ? I'm quite new to keybinds and all xD
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    to my knowledge, you can't create loops.

    and really, there are a lot of things that build enrage. I don't see your problem

    http://www.champions-online-wiki.com/wiki/Enraged
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    maybe I wasn't clear

    I only have enrage on my build and don't want to use another power to build it. The build best potencial can be achieved with only the power enrage.

    the thing is, I can keep it up with the keybinds I already made, but I lose it all if I need to stop to go to the bathroom or during cutsceanes ._. " stuff that keeps me still for over 30 secs ...

    that happens because I can't star enrage while not on the pc, so I thought about creating a loop to keep enrage building while I waited. but yeah, I don't think it's possible to create a loop

    Also, It's a great advice to do perma enrage with only stats and R3 enrage, with good keybinds you don't miss the activation
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    how can you have max enrage through enrage only? It only gives 1 per two of defiance. meaning you can only get 3 more of the possible 8.

    and no. cutscenes will always get rid of your stacks.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    SeTSwiPe wrote:
    how can you have max enrage through enrage only? It only gives 1 per two of defiance. meaning you can only get 3 more of the possible 8.

    and no. cutscenes will always get rid of your stacks.

    okay, after that it's not my fault anymore. just so you know, it's possible to get 8 stacks out of enrage only, if you want to know how:

    http://www.champions-online-wiki.com/wiki/Enrage

    other than that, you didn't get what I said about it stopping when I got out, cutsceanes cut, yeah, but it also cut whenever I go to the bathroom and whenever I need to do anything out of the pc, also it takes quite a while to build 8 stacks with enrage only
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    SeTSwiPe wrote:
    how can you have max enrage through enrage only? It only gives 1 per two of defiance. meaning you can only get 3 more of the possible 8.

    and no. cutscenes will always get rid of your stacks.

    He just want to know the key bind of auto_building Enrage even when he afk.

    And well, you can build max stacks of Enraged using Enrage only =D. Need time though.

    I also want to know about this as it will save my pain in the **** whenever i forget to hit that Enrage button xD.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Isn't that basically botting?:confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    No botting is not it. Will people stop complaining automating certain aspects of the game as botting?

    My only suggestion is to get a Logitech G-series keyboard. Program a Macro to have your Enrage button pressed every xx seconds. Warning: This will ma6ke your own mess6ages loo6k like this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ppl, thanks for the macro tips, that is exactly what I was looking for!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    HidingCat wrote:
    ...Warning: This will ma6ke your own mess6ages loo6k like this.
    Heh, the SG channel kept asking "WTF is with all the NUMBERS?!" when i was testing out macro's.
    It was funny... :D

    .../derailoff (carry on) :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    All these solutions work but they feel like hacks. Went back to playing manually because auto button pressing will interrupt block, as will binding other click powers to movement keys, etc.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    You can bind your powertray slot that you have enrage on, so that it presses on every power and even the WSAD. However, unless you use something like autohotkey (link) then you really can't automate the enrage process while idle.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    PowerTrayExec enrage - pseudocode or can you actually refer to a power by name?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    PurpleNychus wrote:
    PowerTrayExec enrage - pseudocode or can you actually refer to a power by name?
    You can, but theres different descriptions for each rank of a power :mad:
    It's a PITA, and not worth the time IMhO :rolleyes:

    R3 Enrage + 150 (or greater) CON + macro = FTW :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Where can I read a reference to the names?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    You can rebind/make an additional bind with wierd keystrokes though, and that works (ctrl-F11 or something, and poof, no more chatspam.)

    At least I think it would work well.

    (I have some strange keybinds, like Ctrl+shift (locks block on). Ctrl-space (locks on 'move up') useful to walk away and just have your character fly straight up out of harms way, or (what I use it for) keep the swinging line locked on)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    My understanding is that a MACRO can be done to allow this. It requires a programmable keyboard.

    You will also need high character INT to reduce the cooldown on enrage. With this you can build enrage to the measure of your pleasure (or anger).

    If you are a growth character trying to stay big, you can also build a MACRO for Miniaturization Drive w/ Reciprocating Gizmo to run on the programmable keyboard.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    As to whether a third-party macro is legal:

    Using a third-party macro - even a keyboard macro like pressing '6' every second - is against the Terms of Use of the majority of MMOs. (To use the best-known example, in WoW, every command must be initiated by a keypress by a human being; hence such macros are illegal there.)

    The relevant section of the Rules of Conduct for CO is item 1.d.iii: " Anything that Cryptic considers contrary to the “essence” of the Game. "

    That's rather extremely vague. So it's completely unclear whether a third-party macro that presses a given key every x seconds is legal or not in CO. You can carry on debating the legality of such things all you like. But seeing how vague the rule is, if it ever comes up in practice, the legality and punishment (if any) will be completely at the discretion of whichever GM happens to get the case at the time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    FEELTHETHUNDER wrote:
    My understanding is that a MACRO can be done to allow this. It requires a programmable keyboard.

    You will also need high character INT to reduce the cooldown on enrage. With this you can build enrage to the measure of your pleasure (or anger).

    If you are a growth character trying to stay big, you can also build a MACRO for Miniaturization Drive w/ Reciprocating Gizmo to run on the programmable keyboard.

    You could also bind enrage to a key that you use often, like W, so it executes whenever you move forward. Of course, you'll get a lot of 'still recharging' messages in between activations...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Zedulon wrote:
    As to whether a third-party macro is legal:

    Using a third-party macro - even a keyboard macro like pressing '6' every second - is against the Terms of Use of the majority of MMOs. (To use the best-known example, in WoW, every command must be initiated by a keypress by a human being; hence such macros are illegal there.)

    The relevant section of the Rules of Conduct for CO is item 1.d.iii: " Anything that Cryptic considers contrary to the “essence” of the Game. "

    That's rather extremely vague. So it's completely unclear whether a third-party macro that presses a given key every x seconds is legal or not in CO. You can carry on debating the legality of such things all you like. But seeing how vague the rule is, if it ever comes up in practice, the legality and punishment (if any) will be completely at the discretion of whichever GM happens to get the case at the time.

    Well......

    I dont know about all that. The intent of my post was to answer the question of is it possible. Answer. Yes. And have others done it. Uknown, but it appears so and has been talking about in growth/might threads.

    I guess legal or not is not really relevent, as you won't get sent to prison nor end up with a criminal record for running a macro on a programmable key board in a make believe on line game that everyone plays for FUN. There is a minor issue of ethics in a PvP sort of way, but I have no idea how a GM would ever find out, and as others have actually posted sample language to allow others to make a macro in the forums, I doubt it really matters. And what does third party macro mean exactly? If the player makes the macro themself it isn't third party and it isnt a modification of the game, only a setting on a controller.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    wrote:
    Using a third-party macro - even a keyboard macro like pressing '6' every second - is against the Terms of Use of the majority of MMOs. (To use the best-known example, in WoW, every command must be initiated by a keypress by a human being; hence such macros are illegal there.)

    Why do I have to keep on fighting this all the time?

    Blizzard have expressly stated in the past that it is "unattended play" that gets you banned. Specifically, if you set up your macros in such a way you can watch TV, read a book, and so on, while your character gets phat lewts, you will get banned.

    Now, unless that has changed (I'm happy to be proven wrong), can we please stop bleating that macro keyboards get you banned?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    HidingCat wrote:
    Why do I have to keep on fighting this all the time?

    Blizzard have expressly stated in the past that it is "unattended play" that gets you banned. Specifically, if you set up your macros in such a way you can watch TV, read a book, and so on, while your character gets phat lewts, you will get banned.

    Now, unless that has changed (I'm happy to be proven wrong), can we please stop bleating that macro keyboards get you banned?

    I know that some free MMOs I've tried in the past would have a little question popup on the side and gave you a few seconds to answer it. If you didn't it would give you a warning then log you out, assuming you were a bot...

    I don't think CO needs that, but at the same time I think we need a wider diversity of things to do, so it doesn't quite feel as repetitive.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    FEELTHETHUNDER wrote:
    And what does third party macro mean exactly? If the player makes the macro themself it isn't third party and it isnt a modification of the game, only a setting on a controller.

    Third Party is use of any program or script developed by a source other than the games developer and the player using it. Meaning, using a macro keyboard to automate skill activation is still third party. While use of macro keyboards may not result in a ban, it still should be known that they are indeed third party.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Pandabutt wrote:
    Third Party is use of any program or script developed by a source other than the games developer and the player using it. Meaning, using a macro keyboard to automate skill activation is still third party. While use of macro keyboards may not result in a ban, it still should be known that they are indeed third party.

    So, short answer is, "OP, go ahead and do it, and have fun out there, but back inside before midnight."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Squeee wrote:
    All these solutions work but they feel like hacks. Went back to playing manually because auto button pressing will interrupt block, as will binding other click powers to movement keys, etc.

    It's not a "hack". It's a "kludge".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    HidingCat wrote:
    No botting is not it. Will people stop complaining automating certain aspects of the game as botting?

    My only suggestion is to get a Logitech G-series keyboard. Program a Macro to have your Enrage button pressed every xx seconds. Warning: This will ma6ke your own mess6ages loo6k like this.

    The fix for that is making a key like "End" your secondary keybind for Enrage, and having your macro press "End" constantly. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Kinda cheating, isn't it? Take a power that's based on other synergies to be fully effective (and not annoying) and then use a bot (And it *is* a bot. it simulates human activity such as a key press. Bot.) to remove that weakness? What if I were using that same auto-macro to /follow myself with a multibox character (which cryptic outright said is ok) and bubble spam itself, heal me randomly/carry an aura and IDF? Totally ok, right? It's just a keyboard pressing a button and not really a program.

    Just sayin, I'd report it if I saw it and let the devs decide. Seems pretty unfair. Building enraged stacks is part of the mechanic of the game. This reminds me of those stupid lemuria barrels, only this time instead of an in-game exploit, it's a keyboard exploit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Deleted as irrelevant
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    EvilTaco wrote:
    Kinda cheating, isn't it? Take a power that's based on other synergies to be fully effective (and not annoying) and then use a bot (And it *is* a bot. it simulates human activity such as a key press. Bot.) to remove that weakness? What if I were using that same auto-macro to /follow myself with a multibox character (which cryptic outright said is ok) and bubble spam itself, heal me randomly/carry an aura and IDF? Totally ok, right? It's just a keyboard pressing a button and not really a program.

    Just sayin, I'd report it if I saw it and let the devs decide. Seems pretty unfair. Building enraged stacks is part of the mechanic of the game. This reminds me of those stupid lemuria barrels, only this time instead of an in-game exploit, it's a keyboard exploit.

    I just say who cares these days. CO players love their exploits, let em exploit. Even the least harmful change gets shouted down to death-cryptic should just focus on costume pieces and events and who cares if the game is imbalanced?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    HidingCat wrote:
    Why do I have to keep on fighting this all the time?

    Blizzard have expressly stated in the past that it is "unattended play" that gets you banned. Specifically, if you set up your macros in such a way you can watch TV, read a book, and so on, while your character gets phat lewts, you will get banned.

    Now, unless that has changed (I'm happy to be proven wrong), can we please stop bleating that macro keyboards get you banned?

    NCSoft has banned people in Aion that only used their macro keyboard to prevent from getting logged out
    automatically after a given time ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    stagcutlery wrote:
    I just say who cares these days. CO players love their exploits, let em exploit. Even the least harmful change gets shouted down to death-cryptic should just focus on costume pieces and events and who cares if the game is imbalanced?

    phht. /signed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Improved control is not an exploit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    EvilTaco wrote:
    Kinda cheating, isn't it? Take a power that's based on other synergies to be fully effective (and not annoying) and then use a bot (And it *is* a bot. it simulates human activity such as a key press. Bot.) to remove that weakness? What if I were using that same auto-macro to /follow myself with a multibox character (which cryptic outright said is ok) and bubble spam itself, heal me randomly/carry an aura and IDF? Totally ok, right? It's just a keyboard pressing a button and not really a program.

    Just sayin, I'd report it if I saw it and let the devs decide. Seems pretty unfair. Building enraged stacks is part of the mechanic of the game. This reminds me of those stupid lemuria barrels, only this time instead of an in-game exploit, it's a keyboard exploit.

    Since your alt is a slot required during PVP and less effective than a teammate I do not care, however it would be a type of bot as you are automatically, unattended, running a support alt.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    PurpleNychus wrote:
    Improved control is not an exploit.

    This is not improved control, it's automatic keypresses. A bot. I've got one of these keyboards. I don't use it. Why? It's a bot. An exploit. Cheating.

    Is it that hard to just macro your enrage to your movement key like a normal person?

    Also, it'd be freaking fantastic if a dev would say if this was allowed or not. I know wow doesn't let you do it. You know, being a bot and all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    EvilTaco wrote:
    This is not improved control, it's automatic keypresses. A bot. I've got one of these keyboards. I don't use it. Why? It's a bot. An exploit. Cheating.

    Is it that hard to just macro your enrage to your movement key like a normal person?

    Also, it'd be freaking fantastic if a dev would say if this was allowed or not. I know wow doesn't let you do it. You know, being a bot and all.

    Taco, client-side macroing is hard to prove. I don't think even if they argued it was an exploit they have the ability to do anything. I mean "report spam," right? They can't even make that work. Trying to filter out whether a player has good timing or is just macroing is near impossible even in games with active dev teams and robust anti-cheating software.

    I don't use enrage at all on my builds, but its pointless these days. Say anything unpopular and just get shouted down by people who justify it. if you think they macro just dont play with em and ignore them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    stagcutlery wrote:
    Taco, client-side macroing is hard to prove. I don't think even if they argued it was an exploit they have the ability to do anything. I mean "report spam," right? They can't even make that work. Trying to filter out whether a player has good timing or is just macroing is near impossible even in games with active dev teams and robust anti-cheating software.

    I don't use enrage at all on my builds, but its pointless these days. Say anything unpopular and just get shouted down by people who justify it. if you think they macro just dont play with em and ignore them.

    True points.

    In a perfect world (heh) they'd make enrage a form and just be done with the problem once and for all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    EvilTaco wrote:
    True points.

    In a perfect world (heh) they'd make enrage a form and just be done with the problem once and for all.

    In a perfect world, they would make giant growth limited to the enrage level of growth and make it a permanent state for those who want to be "giant" instead of having to press buttons and build a stack of buffs to maintain it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    In a Perfect World, having CON as my Super Stat and pressing the button manually is enough for me. (Odd, I'm suddenly reminded of the 'In Soviet Russia' meme...)

    Still, I believe that if they wanted us to have eight stacks of Enrage active at all time, they would just give it to us right out of the box. My point being that all of the macros I have seen thus far are either too intrusive or too unreliable so I figure that while they may be popular with certain crowds, it's most certainly not for me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    SPrime wrote:
    In a Perfect World, having CON as my Super Stat and pressing the button manually is enough for me. (Odd, I'm suddenly reminded of the 'In Soviet Russia' meme...)

    Still, I believe that if they wanted us to have eight stacks of Enrage active at all time, they would just give it to us right out of the box. My point being that all of the macros I have seen thus far are either too intrusive or too unreliable so I figure that while they may be popular with certain crowds, it's most certainly not for me.

    "In Russia, thees how ve fix space ship..." (begins beating on nuclear engine with a huge monkey wrench while screaming profanities about wanting to live and go home)

    So much for a perfect world.

    IMO, stacks of anything having to be maintained is annoying and adds levels of activity that are a distraction. But that is the game we have. So deal.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I just bind enrage to all my move keys, every attack, block, heck, everythign my toon does, ****es my toon off. I just zig zag a bit before startign everything, and those 8 stacks of enrage never falter.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    incrdbil wrote:
    I just bind enrage to all my move keys, every attack, block, heck, everythign my toon does, ****es my toon off. I just zig zag a bit before startign everything, and those 8 stacks of enrage never falter.

    Vixy is a mudkipz.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    kamokami wrote:
    Vixy is a mudkipz.

    "What is a mukipz?"He said, with eyes wide open and a Vulcan eyebrow.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Zedulon wrote:
    As to whether a third-party macro is legal:

    Using a third-party macro - even a keyboard macro like pressing '6' every second - is against the Terms of Use of the majority of MMOs. (To use the best-known example, in WoW, every command must be initiated by a keypress by a human being; hence such macros are illegal there.)

    The relevant section of the Rules of Conduct for CO is item 1.d.iii: " Anything that Cryptic considers contrary to the “essence” of the Game. "

    That's rather extremely vague. So it's completely unclear whether a third-party macro that presses a given key every x seconds is legal or not in CO. You can carry on debating the legality of such things all you like. But seeing how vague the rule is, if it ever comes up in practice, the legality and punishment (if any) will be completely at the discretion of whichever GM happens to get the case at the time.

    Its no different than an xbox controller with a rapid fire mod IMHO.
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