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PTS Update (6/21) - Targeting
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Hey all,
We made minor adjustments to the way the targeting options in the Controls menu work. Don't like the way targeting works currently? Play with it and tell us what you think!
Known issues:
We made minor adjustments to the way the targeting options in the Controls menu work. Don't like the way targeting works currently? Play with it and tell us what you think!
Known issues:
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An option in the "Tab targeting order" drop-down contains untranslated text.
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The problem is that the current options do not work properly with this:
I can't seem to find myself previously posting on this, but I am at least sure I've filed a ticket relating to how Toggle, non-combat cancels didn't work as I expected and why I thought it should and its current behavior should have a different name.
I'd love a "Toggle, combat activates" option.
Previously, PBAoEs and stuff like Lead Tempest would hit anything within their area of effect. This included boxes, stealthed targets, pet masters in the middle of their swarms, etc.
They don't seem to be doing that anymore, even with "Never auto target objects" set to "Off".
Only tested with Sword Cyclone as of yet.
Same thing with Pyre and Spark storm. I did notice this as well.
1. Give us an option to ignore pets in tab targeting. This is not just a PvP issue. This is also a I FREAKIN' HATE FIGHTING VIPER BECAUSE I END UP TARGETING SONIC BOMBS, SQUAD LEADER PETS, MINES, ETC.
2. Figure out why targets get randomly dropped. Why sometimes tab targeting picks objects that aren't even on screen. Why sometimes it flat out won't target an enemy directly in front of us. I honestly remember none of these problems pre-F2P.
I was trying to use Sniper Rifle and Assault Rifle -- so long range attacks -- vs. Target Dummies, and as soon as more than a couple of them formed a cluster in front of my reticule, my targeting went haywire. I was seeing a lot of "No Target Selected" spam.
Then I remembered that this character used some specific targeting options I don't really use often to try and compensate for bizarre targeting problems melee has on live. I switched auto-target priority from "Near to Far in Camera Center" back to "Camera Center," and pretty much all of my targeting problems went away on the PTS.
At least, I'm not getting the "No Target Selected" spam with a ranged character. Haven't tested to see if melee is still picky, or if tab targeting is still a travesty.
I sign that
Isn't that what "Never Cancels" does? Or did they remove that option?
It's broken, it's been broken since F2p beta.
Fix the range limit slider, please.
Steps to reproduce: Set your target range slider to anything but 0. 20ft. sounds good just to make the point clear, then go out to someplace with lots of mobs as far as the eye can see (Westside prison for instance). You will be able to target anything in your draw distance regardless of what you set the slider to. I'm positive this is where most of the problems with targeting are coming from right now, because the system is literally picking from EVERY target within your draw distance, sometimes even regardless of whether you can even actually see them (ex: mobs behind destructibles like cars/dumpsters).
While looking at tab targeting issues we noticed the range was set to infinite. The slider allows you to set it to a range you prefer but there was no good default set.
We set a new default in the tab target max distance of 125 feet.
My guess is that for F2P the old default was removed and the 0.0 (no max) range was set.
It would be great to get feedback on the tab target distance default setting on PTS.
Is 125 feet too far for tab target? what feels better?
Remember you can set it to 0 for no limit (at least limited to what you can "See") and use that as a comparison for how max tab target distance is set on LIVE.
The other feedback I am looking for is broken targeting or worse than LIVE targeting.
Thanks a ton gang!
The usual problems I see with tab targeting are of two sorts: either tab targeting refuses to select a valid target (for valid target, I take this to mean 'if I click on him, from my current position, would I be able to shoot him'), or it is willing to select an invalid target. The first occurs in two situations: either the target is extremely close to me, or the target is near objects that break line of sight but not actually outside of line of sight. The second seems to occur based on being almost but not quite in line of sight.
I am unclear whether targeting is based on the character position or the camera position. If it's based on the character position, it may be that objects very close to me are actually outside of what my field of view would be if my camdist were at 0.
When it comes to actual target selection and flipping through targets with tab it's improved over live, but it seems to have some odd delay of almost a second between when you hit tab and the new target gets selected.
As far as the range limit for tab/auto targeting, it still does squat, nada, nothing. I just tested it again. No range limit is set regardless of what you set the slider to, it's always unlimited in all of the "control schemes", It will auto/tab target anything in my draw distance, even things just on the edge of the max draw distance that are only partially faded in.
If you're playing the game shooter style like me where you aren't clicking anything to target and tab/auto targeting is your main way of picking out baddies to stomp, this is very very awful, as i really don't want to be targeting mobs that are across the street that i can't even hit because they're over 200ft. away. I'd much prefer it targeted oh, i don't know, the guy that's currently pistol whipping me in the face, or chucking a grenade at me from a few dozen feet away.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/5T33LV1P3R/CrudeMSpainttargetingproblem.jpg
Okay, so blue circle is us, green line is our camera center, black cone is crude representation of our line of sight, red circles are our current baddies (the ones punching us in the face), and yellow circles are the baddies we could absolutely care less about that are far outside our targeting range/we are not currently fighting and don't want to aggro.
Assuming you're using "within/closest to camera center" option:
What seems to be happening is, once we knock out that first red circle that was in the center of our camera, the game's targeting system decides that Mr. Yellow circle all the way out in the middle of nowhere is actually the next prime target, since, by all means, he is in fact closest to the camera center compared to all other targets within our targeting range and therefore, will be our next target when pressing tab or auto targeting.
As you can see, if we have a 100ft. range limit set like in the lower example the game completely ignores those yellow circles that we are ignoring just like we expect it to, no targeting problems as far as targeting mobs we don't want to target.
Now, as far as using near to far targeting, i don't know what the center point for that is, but assuming it's your character, then that should mean that using the near to far targeting option would alleviate this range limit problem somewhat. However, that doesn't seem to be the case, as the game still decides randomly that targets in the middle of nowhere seem to be our next quarry, when in fact, we are still not interested in said targets whatsoever...
If my guess is correct, they mean that the EB only activates and stays active after a non-EB attack is used, once combat is over (or having no active target for several seconds) the EB would go back to a stand-by state.
I can definitely see the use for this, using a charge-up or sniping attack within say 50 ft. without the EB firing off and drawing aggro.
You know what else would be nice? A rangefinder.
However, for a melee toon I often want to pull a group with my energy builder. This option does not allow you to begin combat with your energy builder since it immediately cancels itself as you are not in combat.
Otherwise, the perfect option for most of my toons. The target switching seemed a lot faster and smarter too. As soon as someone was down I would already be targeted on the next person without tab-ing or clicking.
There was a half second delay, though, when tab targeting, which makes it seem clunky.
Frequently the following occurs: Something is eating my face, I hit tab, a mob far away is targeted instead of the thing eating my face. I hit a melee attack and get a message that my target is out of range, in spite of the fact that there is a mob currently chowing down on my ruggedly handsome face and I have the option checked for melee attacks to ignore the selected target.
This happens all the time.
I get that with not only Tab, but also, "Target Nearest."
These mobs are also not hit bei AoEs like Lightning Storm