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Gunblades from Black Mask

Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
edited February 2014 in Items and Crafting
So, what's the drop rate on these things? 30 kills on Elite, and no sign of them yet.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Join the choir! I`ve killed him around 30 times too, across multiple characters on diverse level ranges without getting it. Since I`m not patient enough to keep grinding him, I`m stopping. I`m assuming the drop rate is somewhere below 4%.

    To get an accurate drop rate, though, we would need to kill him around a thousand times, and then calculate the percentage.
    If we get 31 more people saying they killed him 30 times without getting it...we can assume it`s below 1 per thousand!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Devs said, i quote: "drop rates won't be like Vibora Bay, they will be reasonable."

    Uuu-huh. 30 kills with a 4-kill per day limit due to AP limitations. Reasonable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    G0dSlay3r wrote:
    Devs said, i quote: "drop rates won't be like Vibora Bay, they will be reasonable."

    Uuu-huh. 30 kills with a 4-kill per day limit due to AP limitations. Reasonable.

    This is one thing that always sticks in my craw with drops. Devs seem to be allergic to giving info on drop rates. Yes, its all well and good to say something is reasonable...but what is that supposed to mean? Lacking for a percentage, we can't even accurately judge if the drop rate is broken...Which given the problems thus far in item in theis AP seems fairly likely.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    G0dSlay3r wrote:
    Devs said, i quote: "drop rates won't be like Vibora Bay, they will be reasonable."

    Uuu-huh. 30 kills with a 4-kill per day limit due to AP limitations. Reasonable.

    The 4-kill per day limit can be...gotten around if you know how. Same trick as grinding the Bunkers for their drops in SL.

    That said - yes, the drop rate is to nobody's surprise, low. And who knows if it actually scales to difficulty like the VB items do.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Oh, you can totally farm the prison just like you can farm an SL bunker.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    got em tonight, first time solo on elite, right before the patch downtime.. hope i still have em when i log in

    edit: they are listed as "Anime style pistols #2", and still not account wide.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Anyone see a screen shot of these yet?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Just wondering - in order to farm items like this, is replaying through the entire adventure pack mandatory, or is there a way to replay certain parts of it?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Log out after killing Black Mask. And start jail from the beginning after awhile.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    With FlyingFinn`s suggested method, you can do it as many times a day as you can, taking into account that you have to wait around 5-10 minutes between replays of the two sections.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Burumbumbum wrote:
    With FlyingFinn`s suggested method, you can do it as many times a day as you can, taking into account that you have to wait around 5-10 minutes between replays of the two sections.

    Or get into and then leave a group to reset all of your instanced missions. Then you can go back in immediately.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Why aren't these pieces purchaseable w/ the UNTIL tokens? They went through the trouble of setting up the vendor there, why not use it? What's so bad about guaranteed rewards that people can actually work toward, knowing what they'll get.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Probably that if the reward is assured, then the ammount of time we, the players, will spend playing will be less overall than if it`s a 0.1% chance (or whatever it is).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Burumbumbum wrote:
    Probably that if the reward is assured, then the ammount of time we, the players, will spend playing will be less overall than if it`s a 0.1% chance (or whatever it is).

    Well, only a small fraction of players will actually farm for these drops. The rest of the players will play for whatever amount they feel like, regardless of the drop rate. Personally, if you knew that 10 or so runs would net you the gunblades, you may be more likely to do them.

    I think it's safe to say that casual players aren't doing the time of grinding that other frequent forumites have attested to doing themselves...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    biostem wrote:
    I think it's safe to say that casual players aren't doing the time of grinding that other frequent forumites have attested to doing themselves...

    I think that's probably safe to say, yeah.

    I'm one of the crazy types who grinded (ground?) out an R3 BoE (not BoP) CTP... and I'm currently working on my 2nd.

    Once i get done with the damn Gunblades, that is........
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Well, I`ll have to agree with Biostem. I really would prefer it to be a UNTIL vendor item instead of a random drop, but I`m wondering...
    Some have suggested in zone chat today that it seems drops are more common the more people there is on a team. If that`s the case, maybe these extremely rare drops are there to give inentives to team play?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    hopefully not cause it's easy mode for me with more people no matter what i play. even those lairs are pretty manageable with the right build. Duo is fun though. Seems the most fun playstyle across 6 mmos I currently play.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Burumbumbum wrote:
    Well, I`ll have to agree with Biostem. I really would prefer it to be a UNTIL vendor item instead of a random drop, but I`m wondering...
    Some have suggested in zone chat today that it seems drops are more common the more people there is on a team. If that`s the case, maybe these extremely rare drops are there to give inentives to team play?

    The wisdom of zone chat should always be taken with a grain(or ton) of salt...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Burumbumbum wrote:
    Well, I`ll have to agree with Biostem. I really would prefer it to be a UNTIL vendor item instead of a random drop, but I`m wondering...
    Some have suggested in zone chat today that it seems drops are more common the more people there is on a team. If that`s the case, maybe these extremely rare drops are there to give inentives to team play?

    But here's the rub - let's say your assumption is correct. Let's further say that if you are on a team of 5, the drop rate is like 10x higher. Now, a team which should be working together becomes a group of people competing against one-another since only 1 item drops. If they really wanted to encourage teaming, they should make these drops give a copy for each team member...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Well, if they sabotage each other, no one gets to kill the boss, and so no one gets the item. Though I guess once someone gets the drop they would leave/not stick until everyone get their copy, so I see what you mean.

    *I had the impression drops from bosses in this pack were the same across all members? Or maybe that one time we compared what we got was just a terrible coincidence.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Burumbumbum wrote:
    Well, if they sabotage each other, no one gets to kill the boss, and so no one gets the item. Though I guess once someone gets the drop they would leave/not stick until everyone get their copy, so I see what you mean.

    *I had the impression drops from bosses in this pack were the same across all members? Or maybe that one time we compared what we got was just a terrible coincidence.

    My point was more along the lines of "I form a team, set it to master looter, give myself the guns, then leave".

    That's the sort of issue I have w/ the drops.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    The thing is that each member of the team gets the exact same drop, no matter the team loot settings. So, if the gunblades drop for someone, it drops for everyone in the team, just like Dark Speed. The only boss exception in this AP is Shadow Destroyer whose drop isn't for everyone.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Sauria_Lizard wrote:
    The thing is that each member of the team gets the exact same drop, no matter the team loot settings. So, if the gunblades drop for someone, it drops for everyone in the team, just like Dark Speed. The only boss exception in this AP is Shadow Destroyer whose drop isn't for everyone.

    I had a SG member only dropping Darkspeed for 3 out of 5 people.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Nris wrote:
    I had a SG member only dropping Darkspeed for 3 out of 5 people.

    Trust me it dropped 5 of them, one of your team members had more then 1 and decided not to say anything. Happened to my team with Dark Speed and the Gunblades, but our team member was a friend so he just gave them to us.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I have absolutely given up on farming anything for drops. I ran Resistance once and got one until token as my final reward. I helped a SG mate with the final battle once and got a nemesis token (WTF?!?) and the wings.

    I think people get turned off by the abyssmal drop rates and don't bother replaying the APs. I know it turns me off and I never bother again.

    I've finished SL twice and haven't even bothered with DF at all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    At least in DF there weren`t any risk of an NPC killing the bosses and ruining your drop chances...though it also has costume pieces on the UNTIL vendor, so even if only 3 bosses drop blues you still can use the tokens for something.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    No matter what the drop rates, Dark Speed and THe Gun Blades have to be two of the fastest farm/repeats there are. Trying to hit them up a few times every night.

    Start to Obliette is 15 mintues at most on eliite. Super easy if you have teleport and an active defense/Nimbus Bubble. I don't have a way to snipe the Bot controllers so I just bubble in and click everything. Get the farming in now before they fix the Jet bug.

    Gun Blades is no more than 15 minutes either, little more boring though as Prisoner form runs soooo slow.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    NanoCat wrote:
    No
    Gun Blades is no more than 15 minutes either, little more boring though as Prisoner form runs soooo slow.

    Actually if you activate your travel power before putting the prisoner outfit on, it will still be active when you're disguised.

    edit: ya crafted travel powers I meant.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    NanoCat wrote:
    Gun Blades is no more than 15 minutes either, little more boring though as Prisoner form runs soooo slow.

    If you have Dark Speed or a crafted travel power, it becomes way faster. :p Activate the TP device, put the disguise, enjoy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    From the discussion, it looks like the size of the team affects the drop rate. How about the difficulty? Besides the resistance wings, does running on elite benefits the chances of getting costume unlocks?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I don't think the team size improves anything, but the difficulty definitely does. What is good in team is that if it drops, everyone gets it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    A few questions, aimed at those lucky enough to have dropped the item:
    - Difficulty mode ?
    - Party size ?
    - Level range ?
    - Wearing the disguise or not ?

    One last point : I've been running the jail solo-elite-40, and every time I kill Kodiak, I get...nothing, not even a mere token... Is it the same for you ?

    Thanks for your help and info.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Meredy_Redleaf wrote:
    A few questions, aimed at those lucky enough to have dropped the item:
    - Difficulty mode ?
    - Party size ?
    - Level range ?
    - Wearing the disguise or not ?

    One last point : I've been running the jail solo-elite-40, and every time I kill Kodiak, I get...nothing, not even a mere token... Is it the same for you ?

    Thanks for your help and info.

    Elite
    Solo
    20-30
    No

    It dropped for me somewhere around my tenth run.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Meredy_Redleaf wrote:

    every time I kill Kodiak, I get...nothing, not even a mere token... Is it the same for you ?

    If one of the npc's get in the last hit, you won't get any rewards. That's why I always get the aggro and lead the boss somewhere where there are no friendlies. (like the very same room Kodiak comes out of.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Team size-3
    Elite
    1st run for other 2, 4th run for me.
    No one was wearing the disguise
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    I have a question. Has anyone had the gun-blades drop on a setting other then elite?

    I only ask because I am on my 79th run at level 40 on hard, but have yet to have them drop. just a little f.y.i. before any one asks I have been soloing all these attempts and switched to hard because of having difficulty getting in that ever so important last hit on the bosses.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Gammacon wrote:
    I have a question. Has anyone had the gun-blades drop on a setting other then elite?

    I only ask because I am on my 79th run at level 40 on hard, but have yet to have them drop. just a little f.y.i. before any one asks I have been soloing all these attempts and switched to hard because of having difficulty getting in that ever so important last hit on the bosses.

    Yes, they can drop on any difficulty, but lower difficulties will have a lower chance of it dropping.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Dardove wrote:
    Yes, they can drop on any difficulty, but lower difficulties will have a lower chance of it dropping.

    Well i guess it could just be really, really, bad luck then.

    But seriously 80 tries and no drop. That's one hell of a ridiculous drop rate. I could have farmed the 500+G they are going for at the AH in the time I have spent on this. In fact I think that's what I'll do. I am officially giving up on farming these blasted things.

    On the up side I won't have to farm another Until token anytime soon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Maybe you're just reeeeaaallly unlucky? I mean, even if the drop rate is 10%, it's not like after ten runs you're gaurenteed to get the drop... though that would be neat if they implemented a system like that: each time you run the thing, the drop chance for you gets higher and higher until it's 100%, and then it resets after the item drops.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Elite
    Solo
    40
    No disguise, i always drop disguise to fight bosses.

    5th run
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ph03n1xsh0wt1m3 wrote:
    Elite
    Solo
    40
    No disguise, i always drop disguise to fight bosses.

    5th run

    Well it took me like around 10 runs to get my gunblades (same as you, 40, elite, solo, no disguise)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I've only done Resistance twice, but I've never seen Black Mask. Where is she?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Fatalplus wrote:
    I've only done Resistance twice, but I've never seen Black Mask. Where is she?

    He is one of the cellblocks when you have to infiltrate the prison.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Lohr wrote:
    He is one of the cellblocks when you have to infiltrate the prison.

    Cell-block B, left-hand side after you beat Kodiak.
    (Cell-block C has the "evil" Ironclad, who drops absolutely nothing)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I thought evil-Ironclad dropped a heavy sword unlock....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Sorpaijen wrote:
    I thought evil-Ironclad dropped a heavy sword unlock....

    He does.

    http://www.champions-online-wiki.com/wiki/Heavy_Spiked_Axe
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Lohr wrote:
    He does.

    http://www.champions-online-wiki.com/wiki/Heavy_Spiked_Axe

    He should, yup, except he drops nothing, not even tokens, since Kitchen sink 2.0... sadly
    I go over there regularly to check if it's fixed, haven't this week yet.
    (Maybe this is lucky week ^_^)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Done 3 runs of Resistance.

    Solo - normal - no drops
    Solo - Elite - 1 drop
    With 1 friend - normal - 2 dops
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Meredy_Redleaf wrote:
    (Cell-block C has the "evil" Ironclad, who drops absolutely nothing)

    This has been my experience as well and I have to admit it is incredibly annoying
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Is Evil Ironclad bugged that he can't drop anything? It seems unfair for that to happen if it isn't bugged..
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