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Strongest and weakest powerset!
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You write what you think Powerset is strongest and weakest.
If many join we have a cool statistic at the end that maybe help the developer.
Fire +2
Ice
Electricity +1
Force +3
Gadgeteering -0,5
Munitions
Archery -4
Poweramor
Dual Blades +15
Single Blade
Claws -1
Unarmed -1
Telepathy -6,5
Telekinesis -1
Might +3
Heavy Weapons
Celestial -8
Shadow
Magic +1
Infernal
Bestial
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So is start ...
Strongest: Force
Weakest: Achery
Example!
Player 1: Strongest is Might
Might +1
Player 2: Strongest is Might
Might +2
Player 3: Weakest is might
Might +1
You write what you think Powerset is strongest and weakest.
If many join we have a cool statistic at the end that maybe help the developer.
Fire +2
Ice
Electricity +1
Force +3
Gadgeteering -0,5
Munitions
Archery -4
Poweramor
Dual Blades +15
Single Blade
Claws -1
Unarmed -1
Telepathy -6,5
Telekinesis -1
Might +3
Heavy Weapons
Celestial -8
Shadow
Magic +1
Infernal
Bestial
[Daily Upgrade]
So is start ...
Strongest: Force
Weakest: Achery
Example!
Player 1: Strongest is Might
Might +1
Player 2: Strongest is Might
Might +2
Player 3: Weakest is might
Might +1
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Weakest: Celestial
Weakest: Stupidity
*nod nod*
O RLY!? ...
I concur with Scarlyng, fwiw.
Weakest: toss up between Gadgeteering and Archery
Archery could use a boost. Which is sad because I like Archery...but I have to say that Telepathy is the weakest set to me. Support-oriented or not, when a character has to go out-set to get a build it can readily solo with, a set has problems.
Between Ego Sprites (with Slave Mentality), Summon Nightmare, Mindful Reinforcement, Emphatic Healing, and Ego Storm, I find the framework eminently solo-able.
I concur. Dual Blades rock's ridiculously well out of the box while Celestial not only doesn't, it also has abilities that can be done just as well or better if you dip into another set instead.
Except for the "has no passive" thing.
And I concur with...
Strongest: Dual Blades
Weakest: Celestial
So I would go with:
Strongest: Dual Blades
Weakest: Unarmed
unarmed is just really bad in my opinion not because it can only be built one way for one purpose, near every other powerset in the game can multitask except this one.
weakest: Telepathy
For the best set overall, I'd definitely say Fire. It has amazing synergy with itself, can do incredible damage and still has access to mezzes. The only thing the set doesn't have is support powers but the set works great with any of the other sets with them.
For the weakest, Telepathy. Let's face it, it's mostly a control and support set but controls in this game have massive issue to the point they are practically pointless, especially in teams, and all but one of the support powers are just different ways to heal. Granted Mindful is decent buff/heal.
Strongest:
I have to agree with Ryko. Fire is very powerful. It's almost boring incinerating everything you come across.
Weakest:
Telekinesis. I don't know what it is about this powerset, but it's incredibly lacking in just about every area. Even worse, the power the set derives its name from is hands-down one of the worst powers in the game.
In addition to still not having a passive, if you removed Ego Storm, Mindful Reinforcement and Empathic Healing, I doubt anyone would take any Telepathy powers at all.
At least with Celestial, you can make a fairly competent character using only in-set choices.
weakest: Telepathy
reletivly, pretty much all the powersets are fairly strong
Im not sure I can agree about unarmed. The ability to generate a dodge score in the 80%+ range, double stacked BCR, AoE stun, AoE knock, Single target spike damage, and a DoT, combined with the abbility to run either an offensive OR defensive passive make the set very effective. It only suffers as a MA set if compared to Dual Blades.
My choices:
Strongest: Might (easy enrage stacking while running arguably the best defensive passive in the game + fall damage being unmitigateable = truly amazing)
Weakest: Celestial (I chose celestial over telepathy because Ego Sprites + Empathic Healing alone make leveling easy).
Strongest: Dual Blades
Weakest: Archery
Dual Blades has fantastic synergies and unparalleled damage and can be fitted into many, many character concepts, working with just about any powerset, but stands well on its own in any event.
Archery, is not a BAD set, but certainly has its own problems and seems to have few synergies within itself, doesn't fit too many character concepts, and its powers are often weaker than comparable powers, such as Munitions. See Focused Shot vs. Sniper Rifle for example.
The same can be said for Single Blade vs. Dual Blade, to a degree. In which it is basically just eclipsed in all aspects from a powerset within the same archetype. Not that Single Blade is bad, it's just easier and at least as efficient to just go Form of Tempest and Dragon's Wrath compared to the time to build bleeds. Which would be alright, if there was more to distinguish powersets' various flavors, while simultaneously ensuring that they are functionally similar. In SB's case, bleeds could be more damaging, and/or have stacking debuffs as the bleeds stack up.
I'm not willing to write off Celestial as it has several powers with near unique properties, and with the versatility of using the same power to heal or harm, that in and of itself is near unique. Sure, it sacrifices efficiency, but it's still the 'go-to' set for healing.
Both Telepathy and Telekinesis gets much much better if you treat them as one powerset though.
That said, if we want to go vapid, I'd say probably Force as the best set, and claws as the worst. Its completel lack of a competent AoE is pretty freakin sad by this point. And at least Celestial has a litany of awesome heals...
Because of this "silly poll" we know that dual blades needs a nerf.:rolleyes:
No we don't. Something will always be 'the best" no matter how hard they try to balance it. best =/= nerf unless we just want all the powers continually cut into oblivion so we can be playing regular joe online.
Yeah, it means the others need a buff!
This is a tough survey to answer as I've never had a toon that stuck to a single framework, so my experience is limited in that regard. Also, "strongest" has different meaning in PvP versus PvE. For PvE, I'd go with Fire or Dual Blades as numero uno (Conflag versus Sword Cyclone). And if you have to stick to a framework, I'd say Arcane Sorcery is the weakest.
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Fixed that for you.
What am I missing about Force that makes them so attractive? Thanks!
Recently I made a new Force toon and took the offensive passive (Kinetic Manipulation) instead (and IDF) and it rocks. High damage, high survivability. Crushing Wave didn't exist when I made my first Force toon either, and that power rocks the henchmen's socks.
So that might be (part of) an answer - the poor defensive passive is compensated by a good offensive passive.
Re Telepathy: at the low end, as Ashen says, you can Ego Sprites/Empathic Healing until you get past level 10 (which takes how long?). Might be slower than Celestial at the early levels, but sticking in set (except for passive) gets you to Storm faster; once you get it, you can sleep/sprites/storm/done. With SS INT start all over again 10-12 seconds later. Celestial doesn't boast that kind of effectiveness. Later, throw in bubble, Will and Nightmare spam for even more goodness.
There is no attack power in Celestial that I would take, ever. Celestial heals that I consider worthwhile are Palliate, Iniquity and Conviction. Conduit pays too dearly in energy cost due to its dual purpose nature for a ST heal that heals that one target only as well as Arcane Vitality heals one target -- yes it can chain but that costs another power pick and some micro-management.
Oh, and the Tier 3's. In Telepathy you get Ego Storm, Collective Will and Mindful. In Celestial you get Cleansing and Ascension?
Maybe someday I'll start something else and retcon into Force at level 14, though I'd still use a passive from out of its set.
Weakest: Telepathy
Problem with your assessment is you don't factor in soloing bosses. Sure you can zoom through low end henchies.. but even that requres self heal time.
In Celestial if you take Conduit + Illumination you're both doing DIRECT damage to everyone on the screen , but also direct heals to everyone in range too
Last I checked Conduit 1) has a limit to how many targets it will chain to, 2) has a very short range for the chaining and 3) only chains to "like" targets at any given time so we can't heal and do damage in one cast.
Did any of this change and I need to look at this power again?
Force Eruption and Eye Beam
I was also curious, since my experience was like yours. So, I ran several tests in the Powerhouse battle station.
1) The limit for chaining is 3. That's in the in-game power description.
2) Range is somewhere around 10'-15' Edit: removed comment about secondary effect, further testing proved me wrong on that score.
3) With Illumination on myself and pets and all bad guys, even with all of us clumped in a melee ball, Conduit did not chain across types of targets. What I did observe was Mend going off on myself and the pets, but Mend is a function of Illumination, not Conduit.
Worst: Archery
*I dont see why people think celestial is not good. It has some of the best powers in the game. Ascension (the best active offense available), imbue (solid on-next-hit and heal buff), conviction (solid self heal) and seraphim (amazing passive). Sure it cant solo TT like might can, but it is most certainly a go-getter power set!
I could make a character out of primarily archery powers and have lots of fun. I cannot say the same of Celestial -- it's too cumbersome, and the actual synergies don't function properly or are too weak to be of note.
Strongest: Fire
Weakest: Celestial
And you just labeled the bulk of powers which are exclusive to dual blade. Most of the other ones are shared among all of the MA trees, and thus don't actually count as dual blade specifically.
And I vote Dual Blade as the strongest.
DW, you don't need anything else for single targets, at all. The tap damage is insane. The charge damage is insane. It pierces through most if not all defense (even dodge as you can tap it effectively). And I hear time and time again that when you have DW, the only other thing you 'need' is DC for the insane crit damage. And I'm talking PvE, I won't even get into PvP.
But, crit damage is by chance unless you use imbue. DW is always good. There is no exception.
Sword Cyclone is awesome. Enemies are usually near each other, and it'll eat villains and minions before they even lay a hand on you. Master Villains stand a chance. . barely.
And the defensive power is good, if you're built for it.
Dual blade is a set which functions very well as a set, but also works stupidly well if you take one power from it. It almost doesn't even matter which power it is, that one power is going to turn your experience around. I think this makes it the strongest set.
The weakest in my opinion would have to be TK right now, but mostly because the things it was meant to do, other sets (dual blade?) does better. TK has a few powers that are questionably useful such as the one that operates as an ego based lift mechanic as well as the PBAoE which is -crushing-, has a poor stun component, and as a result doesn't seem to actually fit into the set as it doesn't any any synergy I can think of. TK also chugs energy, a lot of energy, while DW can be tapped almost effortlessly for similar damage. I think TK is one of the least efficient sets out there right now.
And Ego Storm is, as far as I know, not a TK power, so it doesn't really count.
That's my opinion.
When was the last time opening with Inexorable Tides killed a group of henchmen for you? Because Torrent of Arrows does that on a regular basis for my dual blades/archery character.
Taking that logic to its conclusion:
Archery has 13 unique powers. Fire, Electricity, and Power Armor have 13 unique powers, so those must all be weak too.
Dual Blades has 6 unique powers, so it must be less than half as good Archery.
Might has 16 unique powers, but Gadgeteering has 19 unique powers, so Gadgeteering must be better.
A few taps of Inexorable Tides would chew through henchmen pretty quick. Sword Cyclone would do it quicker.
Weakest: Celestial. I'd only take about 3-5 powers from the tree, the rest are just meh. I also have that problem with TK, but at least the glowy swords look pretty and do some good damage.
As best overall set: I vote "Might". Defiance, Enrage, Room Sweeper, Agressor, Uppercut, Haymaker, Heroic Leap (best lunge in game). Defiance/Rage tanks are pretty good and use mostly from their own set.
Worst set: "Telepathy"
You're kidding right?
Dual Blades contains:
1) best ST melee attack in the game (DW)
2) best AOE melee attack in the game (SC)
3) Choice of effective offensive or defensive passive (WotW or LR)
4) One of the best active defenses in the game (MD)
5) A self heal that with the in set defensive passive and/or the active defense renders you insanely durable and in a lot of cases near unkillable. (BCR w/ RR)
6) A very powerful damage buff that doubles as an energy return. (FotT)
7) An AOE energy builder as opposed to a ST one
8) A lunge, root, stun (TL)
Sure, we can go out of set but everything from damage to mitigation to healing to crowd control is covered in set with moves that are at or near the top of the list with regards to their related moves in other sets.
Now consider this. I abbreviated the moves and I'll bet most people reading this post know what those abbreviations mean. We have those abbreviations because these moves are used and talked about a LOT in various builds because of how good they are. How many other sets could I have abbreviated that many moves from with near universal understanding of what they are because of how often we use them?
All of that and you don't consider it that powerful as a set? It does nearly everything the Might set does with better energy efficiency and a self heal that might doesn't have.
Never said more powers equals a better power set. Ill put it like this...
A healer can take Celestial and be very viable in both PvE and PvP.
A DPS cant do the same with archery. You will be contributing less then other power sets.
Might not be as fun, and as a support passive, your not going to sprint through the game.
I don't think any one powerset strikes me as weakest, they all have a couple redeeming moves. But telepathy and archery are both bad ones. Unarmed only escapes it because of the shared abilities.