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Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
edited September 2009 in Items and Crafting
I finally figured out what's been bothering me about these:

People are going to be de-constructing a huge number of items in order to get insights to drop (since there's no other way to do it and it takes forever to get the great ones). This is going to generate insane quantities of crafting materials, especially the common types - and there's not going to be any real demand for them, since people only want the rares, and production of those is limited by the rare component. I know I've vendored a lot of these just to free up bag space.

With a huge oversupply and no real demand for them, they're effectively going to be just trash. The market's still pretty nuts, but I predict we'll see them drop to near-vendor prices on everything except the rare material and the tier 4 ones.

Solution? That's easy, either significantly jack up the amount of common materials required, or give us some other use for them. I'm inclined towards the latter, since there's two types of people involved: those who just want to get to the next crafting tier, and those who want to get enough insights along the way, and the balance is never going to be right for both.

Right now, both types of people are ending up with far more common materials than they are ever going to need.

Also, the stack size is way too small. Crafting materials take up most of my storage space, always. Stacks of 200+ would be about right.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Well, they used to stack to 250, and then one day there was a CB patch that dropped stacks to 50 and took away 3 bag slots. The main problem is that the limiting factor in every high end craft is questionite/dragon's blood/pulson particles which only come from deconstructing blues/purples and very rarely from nodes. The other mats become worthless because for practical purposes they are infinite, in the time it takes me to get 78 questionite through gathering i could fill 3 toon's bags full of other mats. There need to be a recipe in each tree that takes NO rare materials, and makes a blue but requires large numbers of the more common materials if they are to have any value. Rare mats only come in to the system when a new character levels, because right now you can't get rare mats at any reasonable rate farming and there are no items that give rare mats that don't also require them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Well I personally use extras to craft items. Healing patches, grenades, etc.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    imweasel wrote:
    Well, they used to stack to 250, and then one day there was a CB patch that dropped stacks to 50 and took away 3 bag slots. The main problem is that the limiting factor in every high end craft is questionite/dragon's blood/pulson particles which only come from deconstructing blues/purples and very rarely from nodes. The other mats become worthless because for practical purposes they are infinite, in the time it takes me to get 78 questionite through gathering i could fill 3 toon's bags full of other mats. There need to be a recipe in each tree that takes NO rare materials, and makes a blue but requires large numbers of the more common materials if they are to have any value. Rare mats only come in to the system when a new character levels, because right now you can't get rare mats at any reasonable rate farming and there are no items that give rare mats that don't also require them.

    I'm only up to tier II crafting right now, so I'm asking from ignorance.... Isn't there a use for the lower end materials in conversion to the more rare ones? I know that I use a lot of my current, easily available mats to make things like world stones now... isn't this the case going forward?

    I still also use the lower end stuff to make lower level items. Before I understood the crafting system, I didn't get a lot of the insights that I needed, so I started crafting low end stuff until I had all the recipies available to me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Ned888 wrote:
    I'm only up to tier II crafting right now, so I'm asking from ignorance.... Isn't there a use for the lower end materials in conversion to the more rare ones? I know that I use a lot of my current, easily available mats to make things like world stones now... isn't this the case going forward?

    I still also use the lower end stuff to make lower level items. Before I understood the crafting system, I didn't get a lot of the insights that I needed, so I started crafting low end stuff until I had all the recipies available to me.

    I am going to use arms terms for crafting, so if anyone could translate this into myst/sci terms that would be great.

    My skill is at 400 right now, and any item i would actually want takes questionite as a material, questionite however, is an incredibly rare blue quality material. A more common component is regor plastic, which while not overly common, can be made by converting some brain child chips or talos arms ( i forget which) into regor plastic should i ever run dry, and i have talos arms and brain child chips out my ears and it would be nigh-impossible to run out of. The problem comes from the fact that i have, right now, in my inventory 15 questionite which is the result of deconstructing about any piece of blue arms gear i could get my hands on, as well as buying 25 off the AH for dirt cheap because the seller didn't know how valuable it really is. I made a bunch of level 38 blue gear, which probably set me back about 15 or so questionite, which is a lot, however even if i hadn't done that and wanted to make a piece of endgame gear i would still be short about 48 questionite with no way to get it besides buying it, or farming for the next 3 months.

    TLDR version, you can get certain components via conversions but the only you will really need does not have a conversion associated with it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    imweasel wrote:
    I am going to use arms terms for crafting, so if anyone could translate this into myst/sci terms that would be great.

    My skill is at 400 right now, and any item i would actually want takes questionite as a material, questionite however, is an incredibly rare blue quality material. A more common component is regor plastic, which while not overly common, can be made by converting some brain child chips or talos arms ( i forget which) into regor plastic should i ever run dry, and i have talos arms and brain child chips out my ears and it would be nigh-impossible to run out of. The problem comes from the fact that i have, right now, in my inventory 15 questionite which is the result of deconstructing about any piece of blue arms gear i could get my hands on, as well as buying 25 off the AH for dirt cheap because the seller didn't know how valuable it really is. I made a bunch of level 38 blue gear, which probably set me back about 15 or so questionite, which is a lot, however even if i hadn't done that and wanted to make a piece of endgame gear i would still be short about 48 questionite with no way to get it besides buying it, or farming for the next 3 months.

    TLDR version, you can get certain components via conversions but the only you will really need does not have a conversion associated with it.


    Completely understood. I was under the impression that most anything could be created via conversion.... Oh well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Ned888 wrote:
    Completely understood. I was under the impression that most anything could be created via conversion.... Oh well.
    "Level 2" mats (i.e. the green ones), like Dimensional Catalysts and Goodman Principles (Tier 3 Science) can be crafted. "Level 3" mats (i.e. the blue ones), like Rabindahar Particles, cannot.
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