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Cost Vs Reward for consumables
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Been wanting to post this a while. For consumable healing items, defense items, etc, the cost seems VERY high compared to what you get. It really seems like something isn't right that it takes so many resources to make a 1 shot item. If they had 5 or 10 charges or were a temp power good for xxx time then it would be alot better but as it is now its kinda a joke to ever think about using them. Was curious if anyone else felt the same way.
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Looking at HOT Bots and Temp Forcefield?
Those are really expensive to make in Tier 2+.
The Healing Patches and Ablative Shield for Arms, not so much once you're leveling up so you can get to the next Tier. 8/14 Cyber Chips and 3/7 Masahara Arms (Heal/Shield) is cheap when you have 3xx/2xx of each.
But anyways back to the point i still say it seems kinda odd. The resource costs for making a 1 shot item to heal are almost the same as making a permanent piece of equipment. Due to the temporary nature it really should be lower, or give you a few charges.
I think so too. I'd rather not have to carry around 10x of each consumable because they're cheap and thus the game relies on you using them. I'd rather shell out to make a few of them for use in emergencies.
This. They are meant to give people an "oh no!" button, not be something mandatory to have in large quantity. They definitely aren't meant to obsolete powers.
But are they meant to kill you after use?
Currently the "heal" items with Mystisim are absolutely "stay away from" material.
Not only do they cost you mats but they only provide half of a benefit and half a massive hit to you after (or during) the combat that is more likely to kill you outright then help you in any way.
A "heal' of 400+ health but then a damage of 398 health after 30 seconds?
We need healing that lets us survive not that guarentes squecking out of the combat only to be "one shot killed" by our healing item that costs us resources to make/use.... This happens now (after the Sept 1 patch) because the item SUSPENDS all power resets/cooldowns which includes the characters regeneration solely based on stats after the combat is over. So I NEVER can recover my lost health back up from the basement and BLAM! the 30 seconds for the heal item triggers and POOF! I'm dead.
Right now I last (and I've timed this on my lvl 25 Darkness spec char) approx 18 seconds with the new changes to -def +mob damage. If I hit a heal item I might survive to the 30 second mark only to then be instantly killed by my heal use.
I "might" accept the item to reduce to 1 health if it would go beyond 1 health but even then with the patch changes I simply cannot survive whatever I do right now.
Is the Mysticism 'crafting' of heals supposed to basically not be viable? I don't think so.
:mad:
Crafting seems to have so much potential but the actual items and uses we can create remain limited. I know that the game has only been out for a few days and there will most likely be new items, or better ones.
Aka the Destroid Turret i found that lasts for 180 seconds and has 3 uses.
the next one up heals for like 1800 and has like 800 damage and has saved my life more than once
The lvl 5 Mysticism heal is 694 hitpoints, with 347 damage after 30 seconds.
The lvl 9 Mysticism damage shield is a 465 point block of extra hp, and a 453 point heal (those are actually the same magnitude so they should yield the same amount really) followed by a 363 damage hit after the damage shield expires.
Right so it is intentional then that mystic crafters have to die every use? (With things the way they are now after the Sept 1 patch I very rarely survive any fight much less have much health left - and the key thing is there is NO health regen running after you finish a battle after using one of these - it suspends even basic healing from what I can tell.
I guess I'm just looking at this as a very odd way to give healing to this crafting arm - the others have NO negative benefit whatsoever. But mystics get extra damage with theirs - just seems "wrong".
Yeah - grumpy and bitter....:eek:
I'm just very unlucky - I chose a terrible powerspec (Darkness) before the nerf which made it just that much worse for me as well as chosing Mystic crafting that basically is a negative instead of a help.
They also get dramatically larger benefits from theirs, though it looks like the damage shield is messed up since the max heatlh set also does a heal, so part of its power is duplicated and I need to nudge up the magnitude to give it more benefit.
Thank you!!!!!!!!
Just knowing that you are looking into it is good for me.
Did I say thank you?
I won't be using these in the future - I'll either make a "regular" healing consumable with another hero, or buy them - it's a real downer that I can't use mysticism on a hero that wants to be able to make a heal thing. Concept be damned, I suppose I'll just have to switch crafts.
If I were King of the Forest, I'd have all the crafts able to make both kinds - smaller "regular" heals, and larger "kill-you-later" heals. I'm sure there are situations where they'd be handy, but honestly, I haven't encountered them in my playing of the game.