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Target of Target, Please :)

Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
edited September 2009 in Controls and Interface
A continuation of the beta forum archive, a Target of Target unitframe option would make tanks so, so very happy.

Tanks can see who aggro is currently on, DPS can focus fire on a target with a simple click if there are many mobs.

It's kind of invaluable.

Very possible this should go in the suggestion forum, but I figured it's interface related...

Anyway, the crusade continues! Please entertain the idea.

Thanks for your time,
-Dragon
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Second this, the UI is pretty lacking.

    Also, being able to see what targets your group is focused on would be solid. Makes assisting easy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Yes plx thx!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Agreed. Hoping to see something like this soon!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Agreed. Target of target should be pretty much standart issue for unit frames at this point.

    Thanks
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I also want to see the target of the target of the target of your target who is the target that you target when you target a target's target!

    Haha

    No, just kidding. Target of target would be helpful.

    Also, Queuing targets would be helpful. I.E. I am fighting target 1, and click on target 2. When target 1 dies, I automatically switch to target 2 and keep auto attacking.
    I remember Anarchy Online having a feature like that, and it made life so much easier!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Agreed, please implement this, Cryptic. It's a great help in any MMO these days.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    As a healer and a tank, I make quite a lot of use of several levels of target derivation when they're available. Tanks typically only need target of target, but as a healer, target of target of target is actually invaluable, because you not only know the status of the tank and the mob, but you also know whether the mob is targetting the tank. If it's not, guess what, the tank's not the one about to need heals. Please, give us the proper tools to do our jobs, UI design isn't a substitute for encounter design and game balance.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Target of target is already in; if you have a friend targeted and use a power which targets enemies, you'll attack his target. Keep in mind that many powers in Champs work on both friends and foes (they do different things depending on who you have targeted).

    The UI is inexplicably missing the Target of target reticle. I'll forward the request to the team.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    poz wrote:
    Target of target is already in; if you have a friend targeted and use a power which targets enemies, you'll attack his target. Keep in mind that many powers in Champs work on both friends and foes (they do different things depending on who you have targeted).

    The UI is inexplicably missing the Target of target reticle. I'll forward the request to the team.


    Does it work in reverse too, that single change would allow support and healer types to exist much easier.
    So if I am targeting Qwyjibo and hes beating down Captain Swinger and I throw a heal at Qwj will it redirect to Swinger?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I'd like to visually have the target of my target show up to the right of them like WoW and even CoH shows a green targeting box around who your target has targeted... I would actually like to see a seperate target window to the right of what i have targeted if they target something else...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Sylverlokk wrote:
    Does it work in reverse too, that single change would allow support and healer types to exist much easier.
    So if I am targeting Qwyjibo and hes beating down Captain Swinger and I throw a heal at Qwj will it redirect to Swinger?

    I've been using this for a while, and my observation is that instead, your target is switched to Swinger and then your power applies as normal. I'm not sure if that always happens, or only under certain conditions, things are usually a bit hectic when I'm doing this.

    This isn't really ideal behaviour. It means you don't notice or track changes in their target.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    The purpose of target of target is to see who your target is attacking so you can play accordingly. This is what the poster is meaning, not the fact that you can assist your friend with the assist keybind like the dev said :( Hopefully this clears up why we NEED target of target.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Hemoglobin wrote:
    The purpose of target of target is to see who your target is attacking so you can play accordingly. This is what the poster is meaning, not the fact that you can assist your friend with the assist keybind like the dev said :( Hopefully this clears up why we NEED target of target.

    To clear up any confusion, Hemoglobin nailed exactly what the purpose of target of target is for me.

    Assisting is, as we already know, in game, and while a target of target can be used to assist (which you already can by selecting someone in your party frame as the dev pointed out), it's intended purpose I had in mind specifically was for two functions:

    1)Tanking. Using the feet positioning as an aggro guide fighting the Mega Destroid at the end of Dr. Destroyer's Lab is just... wacky. Knowing what mobs are targeting as a tank cycles targets makes our job easier in aiding our role to keep our fellow players alive.

    2)Healers have another reference to see if damage being caused to a team is caused by splash damage from an ability, or if they need to change their healing target and preemptively heal because that CRA-A-A-A-AA-AZY dex/ego shooter guy just *had* to go crazy before threat was established, and can be see who is going to need heals before 'forgets' to block due to the blood lust.

    Now, a lot of people, primarily DPS focused players I've found, may not consider using such tools in an MMO to be important. Which is completely fair, I suppose.

    I can also assure you that there are people who would have use for such tools in this game. You never know. You might have a better grouping experience because of it.

    Poz - Thank you for the consideration to this request. I eagerly look forward to what the developers come up with, and thanks once again for your time.

    -Dragon
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    poz wrote:
    Target of target is already in; if you have a friend targeted and use a power which targets enemies, you'll attack his target. Keep in mind that many powers in Champs work on both friends and foes (they do different things depending on who you have targeted).

    The UI is inexplicably missing the Target of target reticle. I'll forward the request to the team.

    You have big damage powers that use lots of end and small damage powers that use little end. It would really be helpful to know what powers to apply when I am assisting. Wasting all your power on a half dead minion is always frustrating and leads to wipes that could have been prevented.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    A "Target of target" frame is important for DPS, too. Fighting a huge boss while in Avenger role and an Offensive Passive on is dangerous! Without a frame showing who his current target is, it's easy to get melted before you have time to slap your Smoke Bomb or other defensive clicky key. Sometimes the facing of the foe's model just doesn't work well enough.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    poz wrote:
    Target of target is already in; if you have a friend targeted and use a power which targets enemies, you'll attack his target. Keep in mind that many powers in Champs work on both friends and foes (they do different things depending on who you have targeted).

    The UI is inexplicably missing the Target of target reticle. I'll forward the request to the team.

    When I did healing it seemed to switch my target to the target of the enemy I was casting on. what I want is to have it stay on the target and do the heal on the target of the target not change targets. I'm assuming the same happens for damage powers??
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Sylverlokk wrote:
    Does it work in reverse too, that single change would allow support and healer types to exist much easier.
    So if I am targeting Qwyjibo and hes beating down Captain Swinger and I throw a heal at Qwj will it redirect to Swinger?

    That is how it works. But what if you're targeted on Qwyjibo and want to heal yourself, then you need to click off him (and make sure Select target on attack is off) and then click the heal.

    I think we need an option to choose whether it helas you or the MOBs current target.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    poz wrote:
    Target of target is already in; if you have a friend targeted and use a power which targets enemies, you'll attack his target. Keep in mind that many powers in Champs work on both friends and foes (they do different things depending on who you have targeted).

    The UI is inexplicably missing the Target of target reticle. I'll forward the request to the team.

    Been playing around with this feature in PvE and PvP. It seems that when my target changes his or her target I am losing the target of target. I notice this a lot in PvP. Not sure if this is by design. Do you loose target of target if you are no longer in line of sight or you are too far away?

    Will really help once you can actually also see the target of target. Oh, and PLEASE do something to make whatever you are targetting stand out more. I catch myself so often thinking I have someone targetted and its actually not. The outline and bracket around a target are way too subtle.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Spiritbrand wrote:
    That is how it works. But what if you're targeted on Qwyjibo and want to heal yourself, then you need to click off him (and make sure Select target on attack is off) and then click the heal.

    I think we need an option to choose whether it helas you or the MOBs current target.

    found this one out in the Beta event when I kept trying to heal myself and would get out of range, as it was trying to heal the target of my target. Actually found it very annoying although from a healers point of view this is handy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I also want to see the target of the target of the target of your target who is the target that you target when you target a target's target!
    Bah, thats easy.

    Its Kevin Bacon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Just wanted to voice my vote, please, I definetly miss this feature.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Sylverlokk wrote:
    So if I am targeting Qwyjibo and hes beating down Captain Swinger and I throw a heal at Qwj will it redirect to Swinger?

    Yes it will!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    sposniewski wrote: »
    Yes it will!
    There are strategic reasons to want to SEE who the enemy is targeting, not just cast a heal or auto assist. These are good features, but NOT a replacement to a targeting HUD. It is important to add this feature. Please pass that along to the dev team.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Unity.com wrote:
    There are strategic reasons to want to SEE who the enemy is targeting, not just cast a heal or auto assist. These are good features, but NOT a replacement to a targeting HUD. It is important to add this feature. Please pass that along to the dev team.

    From what he said earlier, it's apparently in game, but bugged. So hopefully we'll be able to see it soon.

    And I am very, very happy to hear that we have implied targeting. Sincere thanks to whoever decided to include that feature.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    oh for the love of all that which you hold dear to your heart and soul and love please please please.....


    give us Target of Target... PLEASE!!!:D:D:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Agreed! The UI needs work.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Much needed feature. I hate dying because Ive pulled aggro and never known becasue I don't know if the damage I'm taking is from an AoE, a random targetted atatck, another mob or what.

    SHould be clear, especially with the fast pace of this game and inherent lagginess of the UI.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Really hoping this makes it into the game. *fingers crossed*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    poz wrote:
    Yes it will!

    Not only will it hit Captain Swinger, but your target will change to Captain Swinger.

    This is a huge problem since it removes you from combat.

    What we really need is passive ToT targeting, defensive targeting (in addition to offensive targeting, aka Focus from WoW), and the ability to target yourself without having to clear current targets.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    poz wrote:
    Target of target is already in; if you have a friend targeted and use a power which targets enemies, you'll attack his target. Keep in mind that many powers in Champs work on both friends and foes (they do different things depending on who you have targeted).

    The UI is inexplicably missing the Target of target reticle. I'll forward the request to the team.

    In fact, it's in ALL TO WELL, I can't get rid of this effect in order to cast a heal on a team mate, my target automatically jumps to his target when I don't want it to. And yes, I checked my option settings to make sure that feature is showing as OFF, yet it simply ignores my setting preference.

    Quite literally, to put this as plainly as possible: I CANNOT create any sort of team support character or even a character who takes a power that is usable on team mates because the game will not let me target my team mates because my target will auto jump to their targeted foe.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    poz wrote:
    Target of target is already in; if you have a friend targeted and use a power which targets enemies, you'll attack his target. Keep in mind that many powers in Champs work on both friends and foes (they do different things depending on who you have targeted).

    The UI is inexplicably missing the Target of target reticle. I'll forward the request to the team.

    That is NOT target of target. This is all about viewing the target, not "targeting through".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    poz wrote:
    Target of target is already in; if you have a friend targeted and use a power which targets enemies, you'll attack his target. Keep in mind that many powers in Champs work on both friends and foes (they do different things depending on who you have targeted).

    The UI is inexplicably missing the Target of target reticle. I'll forward the request to the team.

    That's target assist. Target of target is selecting a friend/foe and seeing who THEY are currently targeting. With how wonky aggro is in this game, and the fact that most enemies can nail you without even turning, target of target is badly needed to give DPS/squishes time to properly react.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    A true Target-of-Target system has another UI Frame specifically for showing your target's target, that's displayed at all times. The feature could be turned on/off in the Options, of course.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Funny I found this thread, I was just thinking about Target of Target's Target a few minutes ago. Wtb. In all honesty it should be a given for any mmo.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    V0rt wrote:
    That's target assist. Target of target is selecting a friend/foe and seeing who THEY are currently targeting. With how wonky aggro is in this game, and the fact that most enemies can nail you without even turning, target of target is badly needed to give DPS/squishes time to properly react.

    So much truth, this had to be bumped and quoted.

    V0rt knows exactly what we're trying to push for, here. I'm kinda glad this was necro'd back up, because with the sweep of changes coming (I'm looking at you, attack indicator other than above mob's heads), this is my second biggest crusade.

    Please, again, give us an optional way to show target of target's frame. This would help so much.

    -Dragon
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Daesu wrote:
    Funny I found this thread, I was just thinking about Target of Target's Target a few minutes ago. Wtb. In all honesty it should be a given for any mmo.

    ...And thank you, Daesu, for finding it. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Please god, WTB target of target. Or UI addons that will enable it at least for those that don't want it. Not that there's many I hope.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Posts: 1,156,071 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Great success!

    http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?p=1092162#post1092162

    UIGuru has spoken, and Target of target is incoming!

    This is tremendous news, and am quite stoked. Hopefully those of you who were waiting for this feature enjoy it as well, and thanks to Cryptic for listening.

    -Dragon
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