Bestial Supernatural Build

circleofpsi

Hi

So I've recently been designing a character that is based around a Wendigo Cruse (Deer Head/Long Black Hair, etc.) where my OC has been cursed and has a Wendigo From they can transform into (If you look up Wendigo that is the first pic you'll see, alteast you should..)

So I wanted to make a build around it and the best way I can think doing so is via a Bestial Supernatural Build, the build I have right now is pretty much a barebones pure Bestial build, but I wanted some assistance on just tuning it.

Gone for STR/DEX/END for the Specs and reflected the Talents on that as well, Strength to increase overall Melee Damage and to be a wee bit tanker, Dex to pump up the high Cirts and End to help with the From/EU. (I could replace Dex with Con for more HP, but DPS is porb way to go here)

Gone for Frenzy for me Combo over Shred, as it's a AoE version of Shred, while I do lose the Shredded buff, I think I am ok with this. Gone for WotW for my passive as this effects Melee and Bleed (Pestilence as far I recall only does Bleed/Toxin). Gone for the Standard From/EU for Bestial Framework and gone for the Usual AD and Heal I always pick for my builds.

Last 2-3 powers I'm really not sure on, I do have a Self-Rez as they are always useful, but not sure what to go for next, Ult while it isn't great I went for Feral Rage. (Any suggestions are welcome!)

(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.45:38

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Blade (Str: 10, Dex: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
Level 6: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 9: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
Level 18: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
Level 21: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Bestial Fury
Level 1: Frenzy (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Way of the Warrior (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Tear Down (Thrill of the Hunt, Work Up)
Level 14:
Level 17:
Level 20: Eviscerate (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Fiery Embrace
Level 26: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Wild Thing
Level 32: Resurgence (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Aspect of the Bestial
Level 38: Feral Rage (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Adv. Points: 32/36

Travel Powers
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations
Strength: Swole (3/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Overpower (2/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (3/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (2/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Devices


Specs are for all Melee focused

flowcyto

I would prob put Shred back in, and it technically is an AoE too- just not as wide as Frenzy (Warden's Upper Hand wouldn't work w/o Shredded anyways). You'll also want Massacre if you want stronger single-target dmg (Eviscerate w/ Messy can be used to refresh debuffs, when tapped). As a passive, Pestilence buffs any kind of Toxic or Slashing dmg, so it's still a good pick for Bestial builds (WotW or Unstoppable are fine too, though). I'd also skip on R3 Resurgence, and also pass on Feral Rage (since it drops all of your toggle/form stacks and puts all AD and AOs on cd). I would also max Overpower in Str PSS instead of Swole. Here's an edit of it:

(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.45:38

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Endurance (Secondary)
Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Penitent (Str: 10, Dex: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 6: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
Level 9: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 12: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 21: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Bestial Fury
Level 1: Shred (Rank 2, Penetrating Strikes)
Level 6: Aspect of the Bestial
Level 8: Pestilence (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Frenzy (Rank 2, Fear Sense)
Level 14: Supernatural Power
Level 17: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 20: Massacre (Rank 2, Bloody Mess)
Level 23: Eviscerate (Messy)
Level 26: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32:
Level 35:
Level 38: Fiery Embrace
Adv. Points: 28/36

Travel Powers
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Overpower (3/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

The open power slots can be w/e ya want (you could add Tear Down w/ Work Up back in, if desired).

For single-targets, it uses Shred to put up Bleed(s) and Shredded, while taps of Evis can refresh both debuffs, and Massacre is your main attack otherwise (you'll also want to throw in taps of Evis to proc AotB when using Massacre, since Massacre can't do that by itself). Frenzy can be the main pbAoE, though Shred also can cleave nearby targets in front of you. Gears mostly for Str, w/ some End and Rec (for Supernatural Power). Dex SS can be swapped for Con SS if you want more health (at the expense of some dps), but that choice is up to you.

circleofpsi

flowcyto wrote: »

I would prob put Shred back in, and it technically is an AoE too- just not as wide as Frenzy (Warden's Upper Hand wouldn't work w/o Shredded anyways). Frenzy can be the main pbAoE, though Shred also can cleave nearby targets in front of you.

Ah, I didn't think of that, I'll def take Shred then, I forgot Upper Hand also helped with Shredded. I'm not sure what to feel on having duo combo powers, as I tend to only use one (muscle memory), so I'll go with the stronger option here and go for Shred.

flowcyto wrote: »

You'll also want Massacre if you want stronger single-target dmg (Eviscerate w/ Messy can be used to refresh debuffs, when tapped). As a passive, Pestilence buffs any kind of Toxic or Slashing dmg, so it's still a good pick for Bestial builds (WotW or Unstoppable are fine too, though).

I'll slot Massacre over Eviscerate, I was gonna ask what the difference was in the post, but I must of forgot to ask, but thanks for the info on that, I was thinking to grab Pestilence, since it'll boost my Slashing, reason why I opted out, was I didn't think I'll be adding any Toxin powers, but I do like the DR it takes off enemies, so I'll stick with that. (I suppose Unstop is good as well, if I wanted to be more tanky, so I'll have to decide on that)

flowcyto wrote: »

I'd also skip on R3 Resurgence, and also pass on Feral Rage (since it drops all of your toggle/form stacks and puts all AD and AOs on cd). I would also max Overpower in Str PSS instead of Swole

I'll skip on the R3 Res and Ditch Feral Rage, did a little test with it, as nice as it is, I don't like how it just drops everything, I suppose with it's Adv, it chuold be a good "Panic Button" but I rather run away or cloak, if I wanted that, so I'll still with a better Ult, like Bladed Fury (Since I have Invs Weapons)

I was thinking to go for Cruse maybe for the Bleed & Toxin Combo /w Perhaps a Heal or Jinxed, but this is what I got so far. Or Will'o'Wisp for the Spam of DoT/Toxin.

Let me know what you think of the Edit

(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.45:38

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Penitent (Str: 10, Dex: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 6: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 9: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Bestial Fury
Level 1: Shred (Rank 2, Penetrating Strikes)
Level 6: Pestilence (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Tear Down (Work Up)
Level 14:
Level 17:
Level 20: Massacre (Rank 2, Bloody Mess)
Level 23:
Level 26: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Resurgence
Level 32: Supernatural Power
Level 35: Aspect of the Bestial
Level 38: Bladed Fury (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Adv. Points: 26/36

Travel Powers
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Overpower (3/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Devices

flowcyto

Unless you want to change your single-target rotation to alternate between Shred and Massacre (w/ a Brawler's Setup spec), I'd prob keep Eviscerate (w/ Messy) in there- taps of it can be more convenient than Shred for quickly refreshing debuffs between Massacre uses (and for procing AotB). Frenzy may also still be worth keeping, since its AoE is a pbAoE and is thus easier to hit many targets with, compared to Shred's narrower frontal cone (the Furious adv can also give you another heal source when AoE'ing, via the Willpower buff), but it's up to you if you still want it. R2 of Resurgence can be fine to keep as well.

Keep in mind that most self-heal advs (like Curse's and Tear Down's) have a shared internal cd, since they proc the same effect (Restoration). Also, although Pestilence can also buff Toxic dmg, don't feel pressured to include Toxic/poison powers just because of that- the passive works fine w/ just Slashing/bleeding stuff. FC's Ult is okay for some extra burst dmg, though keep in mind that it won't proc the toggle/form or the EU here, so it may be a bit of a drain on energy. Ofc, you don't have to get an Ult (or an AO) either to still have decent dmg, but it's up to you on what else you want to add to the build w/ the leftover power slots.

circleofpsi

So here is the edited (Final?) build:

In the end I decided on going for Unstoppable for my Passive, as it'll not only boost my Damage but also get bit more of that defense up as well, I also ended up sticking with Frenzy (w/ Fear Sense) but opted out of getting Shred/w it's adv, as I no longer have it, I have removed Upper Hand and replaced it with Fortified Gear to get bit more of that defense up on top of my passive.

I do believe this should be fine, but I can get another Spec Tree if needed, while I do lose that 18% DR on hostiles, I shouldn't need it, if I can kill them fast enough and I won't be running any end game missions. (I also readed up about Upper hand to on that topic I saw you post in, Interesting find!)

For the last 2 powers I've gone for Howl and Entrancing: Howl to boost my Damage & to stack that Furious on top of the Adv I have in Frenzy (Not sure if I need both, but it works, if Howl is on cooldown). Entrancing just for a Wipe, so I can get out of situations.

Feral Rage is in there just for now, as I don't know what other Ult to go for.


Let me know if I need to change anything.


(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.45:38

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Penitent (Str: 10, Dex: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 6: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 9: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Bestial Fury
Level 1: Frenzy (Rank 2, Fear Sense)
Level 6: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Tear Down (Thrill of the Hunt, Work Up)
Level 14: Howl (Rank 2, Make them Tremble, Accelerated Metabolism)
Level 17: Entrancing
Level 20: Massacre (Rank 2, Bloody Mess)
Level 23: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Fiery Embrace
Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 32: Supernatural Power
Level 35: Aspect of the Bestial
Level 38: Feral Rage (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Adv. Points: 36/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Swift Skating (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Stoic Flight

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Overpower (3/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Devices

Additional Notes:
Note: Accele Meta is "Wild Strike!" for Howl

flowcyto

I wouldn't advise making most of those changes. Feral Rage is still there, Evis is not there, and you dropped Shred and added Howl. I would advise doing the opposite of all that: add Shredded/Shred (for softening up bosses and tougher targets), drop the Ult (the build can forgo having an Ult and be fine), add Evis w/ Messy (for the easy debuff refresh), and drop Howl (you have access to Furious via Frenzy anyways). Unstoppable and the threat wipe are fine to keep, though (you can also keep Fortified Gear instead of Upper Hand, if you want the extra defense instead).

circleofpsi

Here is the Edited build:

I've put Shred/w Shredded for the Debuff, but I was gonna drop Frenzy as I kinda want to avoid alternating between two-combo powers, Although, now I thought about it, Shred will only be used for bosses, while Frenzy can be my main attack for low level mobs. (Bosses such as Alert/Nem type or Higher, are the content I tend to do btw)

I've also placed in Eviscerate to get the tap going and Massacre/w Messy for my main damage (Added back Upper hand as a result) and kept in the Threat Wipe.

Although I do want to ask, Eviscerate consumes Bleeds and turns them into "Deep Wounds" (It seems to act like Reaper's Embrace) but my qeastion is, does it deal high damage depending on the Bleed Stacks on cast, or does it only deal damage, when it switches over to "Deep Wounds" another DoT. Massacre/w Messy doesn't consume, just deals more damage if they bleed and that's all it does.

I was curious what will be stronger in that regard (Yes I can keep and will likely keep both for the Shred/Bleed Refresh & Single Target Damage, but I if I had to pick one, what would be best, do you think, as both count as Single-Target)

I do have some Adv points left, since Shred is just to apply Shredded, I've not put any Ranks inside (I can change that), sane goes for Eviscerate as it's just to refresh/tap. So last Adv points can be spent on whatever is needed.


(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.45:38

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Penitent (Str: 10, Dex: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 6: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 9: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Bestial Fury
Level 1: Frenzy (Rank 2, Fear Sense)
Level 6: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Tear Down (Thrill of the Hunt, Work Up)
Level 14: Entrancing
Level 17: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Massacre (Rank 2, Bloody Mess)
Level 23: Eviscerate (Messy)
Level 26: Shred (Penetrating Strikes)
Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 32: Supernatural Power
Level 35: Aspect of the Bestial
Level 38: Fiery Embrace
Adv. Points: 32/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Swift Skating (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Stoic Flight

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Overpower (3/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Devices

circleofpsi

This is an alternative version of the edited build above:

This build works around the sole use of Frenzy & Eviscerate Combo. This does remove the Shred/w Shredded Debuff, but the Brawler Tree I've grabbed should make up with that loss. This build was very slightly based of another build a Buddy of mine has. (In terms of Specs and The Frenzy & Eviscerate Combo at least)


Overall, The build is almost identical to the other one on top, in terms of SS/Tals and rest of the Powers, with some differences. I've added Howl Back for the Furious Buff and Fear Debuff (Team Play) and added in Aggressor for that extra spice of damage.

I'm not too sure what to think of The Glory of Battle per say for Ruthless, but it does make sense for the Combo I have of the Frenzy AoE then Eviscerate as High Damage.

Either build I hope should work fine, I am leaning towards this build more then the edited one above, but I can test both to see what I like best and stick with that. Let me know what you think, as I don't want to judge harshly on other peoples builds that I got inspired from.

Anyway here is the build:

(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.45:38

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Penitent (Str: 10, Dex: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 6: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 9: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Bestial Fury
Level 1: Frenzy (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Tear Down (Work Up, Accelerated Metabolism)
Level 14: Entrancing
Level 17: Howl (Rank 2, Rank 3, Accelerated Metabolism)
Level 20: Eviscerate (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Aggressor (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 32: Supernatural Power
Level 35: Aspect of the Bestial
Level 38: Fiery Embrace
Adv. Points: 36/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Swift Skating (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Stoic Flight

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Overpower (3/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Brawler: The Glory of Battle (3/3)
Brawler: Penetrating Strikes (2/2)
Brawler: Finishing Blow (3/3)
Brawler: Setup (2/2)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Devices

Additional Notes:
Note: Accele Meta is "Wild Strike!" for Howl

flowcyto

Eviscerate functions differently depending on whether you charge it or not. If you charge it, it'll rupture your bleeds to deal a high-dmg DoT (Deep Wounds), but this version of the DoT will prevent you from applying normal bleeds while it's up. You're not using Evis for that (at least, not in the 1st build). Instead, you're just using it to refresh any bleeds and Shredded (latter via Messy adv), and these can happen even when just tapping the power (taps also won't rupture the bleeds).

Massacre doesn't bleed innately itself, so if you're not building up bleeds constantly then there's not much sense in using charged Evis to rupture them. On that note, I prob wouldn't take the 2nd build, cause it's lost both Shredded and Massacre's strong single-target dmg, and the lack of applying bleeds during Deep Wounds will hurt its potential overall.

And yea, your rationale for not ranking Shred or Evis (beyond getting their special advs) is fine, for the 1st build. There is some merit to using Shred more often at the start of boss fights to build up to 5x bleed, and then rolling that 5x bleed the entire rest of the fight via Evis taps (and thus perhaps justifying more ranks in Shred). You likely aren't doing content where that matters too much, though, since it's more of a thing for longer single-target fights, but it's up to you to consider.

(also, you generally want to get Ruthless/Severity options in specs when they are available. Brawler's Glory of Battle isn't really that great, tbh, so I'd prob just get Ruthless and bring GoB down to 1 point, though that's also in the 2nd build that I wouldn't advise using anyways.)

circleofpsi

flowcyto wrote: »

Eviscerate functions differently depending on whether you charge it or not. If you charge it, it'll rupture your bleeds to deal a high-dmg DoT (Deep Wounds), but this version of the DoT will prevent you from applying normal bleeds while it's up.

There is some merit to using Shred more often at the start of boss fights to build up to 5x bleed, and then rolling that 5x bleed the entire rest of the fight via Evis taps (and thus perhaps justifying more ranks in Shred). You likely aren't doing content where that matters too much, though, since it's more of a thing for longer single-target fights, but it's up to you to consider.

Very well, so overall Shred/w Massacre and their Advs are stronger for its potential overall, I admit a little frustrating that Frenzy has a wider AoE and Smoother animation over Shred, but that's just that. (Also for some reason Frenzy seems bugged, cuz you can use it without targets and it still drains your energy?)

Since I'm going to be useing Shred/w Massacre more often, for overall both Boss Damage and High Damage overall, I'll just opt out of getting Frenzy altogether as Shred is still a decent AoE on it's own and basic mobs don't need extra AoE to be taken care of and overall they are both too great to pass up. (Also, I'll always be useing Shred to stack Shred/Bleed, so it's safe to say, I don't need Evis for the refresh and I'm not doing content where that matters too much either, as you noted for longer fights). I may add Evis back If I need it, if I ever do content that requires it.


Since I've done that, I have ended up freeing up two slots again, I ended up just going back to the Threat Wipe & Furious Buff and Fear Debuff (Team Play) as they are not really harming the build. (I did drop Frenz, as well so added Furious back)

I did swap back to Vindicator Tree here, but I think even the Brawler Tree here might still be good, since I do like the Debuffing it has, on top of my already Debuff I have on Shred. (Let me know)

Sorry I bounced around in-between the builds, was testing the potential of each one, but going back to Shred seemed like the best choice here.


Hopefully, this is the last build:


(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.45:38

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Penitent (Str: 10, Dex: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 6: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 9: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Bestial Fury
Level 1: Shred (Rank 2, Penetrating Strikes)
Level 6: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Tear Down (Work Up, Accelerated Metabolism)
Level 14: Howl (Rank 2, Rank 3, Accelerated Metabolism)
Level 17: Entrancing
Level 20: Massacre (Rank 2, Bloody Mess)
Level 23: Aggressor (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 32: Supernatural Power
Level 35: Aspect of the Bestial
Level 38: Fiery Embrace
Adv. Points: 36/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Swift Skating (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Stoic Flight

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Overpower (3/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Devices

Additional Notes:
Note: Accele Meta is "Wild Strike!" for Howl

flowcyto

Yea, you can use pbAoE's like Frenzy whenever you want, cause they don't require a target (instead they just AoE around you). I may still include it for an easier time AoEing, but you could also get by w/ Shred's narrower frontal cone, if need be. Evis w/ Messy can also still be nice cause it does refresh debuffs and proc AotB faster and more reliably than having to weave Shred in between Massacres. Evis can pretty easily replace an AO like Aggressor, since AOs don't boost dmg by that much on dps builds that already have many dmg bonuses as is.

And yea, Brawler spec can also be good here- it has more melee dmg potential than Wardicator, but Wardicator is a good mix of dmg and defensive boosts. You could also take Brawler's Setup and choose to alternate between Shred and charged Massacre for single-targets (and then you also won't need Evis), but that's generally not as high dps as just using Massacre more heavily, so that's also up to you.

Also, I may drop the Accel Metab adv on Tear Down and put it to R2 of the other travel power (or at least put Accel Metab on a more regular attack like Shred or Massacre).

circleofpsi

flowcyto wrote: »

Yea, you can use pbAoE's like Frenzy whenever you want, cause they don't require a target (instead they just AoE around you). I may still include it for an easier time AoEing, but you could also get by w/ Shred's narrower frontal cone, if need be. Evis w/ Messy can also still be nice cause it does refresh debuffs and proc AotB faster and more reliably than having to weave Shred in between Massacres. Evis can pretty easily replace an AO like Aggressor, since AOs don't boost dmg by that much on dps builds that already have many dmg bonuses as is.

And yea, Brawler spec can also be good here- it has more melee dmg potential than Wardicator, but Wardicator is a good mix of dmg and defensive boosts. You could also take Brawler's Setup and choose to alternate between Shred and charged Massacre for single-targets (and then you also won't need Evis), but that's generally not as high dps as just using Massacre more heavily, so that's also up to you.

Yeah, I should get by w/ Shred's narrower frontal cone, so I think I'll be fine, as for Evis w/ Messy, I may place it in for that quick refresh tap, but since I've gone back to the Brawler spec tree, I may not need it, as you said.

But overall, thanks for the help for the build, I'll post the final build, tho last thing, I got a little confused at your statement here, you said: "alternate between Shred and charged Massacre for single-targets" I get that but then you said "that's generally not as high dps as just using Massacre more heavily"

Am I reading this wrong lol, am I stupid or was there a mistake here, like what do you mean here


Edit: As for Accel Metab adv, yeah I may move it to another power or just give it to my TP

circleofpsi

Here is the end of the build:

So I removed Tear Down and put Pounce in there, as I noticed that TD is a terrible Lunge, only 25 feet, rather then the normal 60 Feet and it costs way more. So uh, yeah nope to that.

I also removed Aggressor as well, kinda debating on what last power I should go for, but I think I'll just go for a Team Rez, as I noticed some people are putting them in their builds just to be helpful, even if they are not Support. (Got some Adv points to spare due to such, I'll just pick whatever fits)

Edit: Oh I also went with Rec, not sure why I had End in there as Supernatural Power works better off with Rec, not End, so that was my mistake. (Replaced my Talents to reflect that and added in some Con for more HP)

Either way, thank you so much for the help!

(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.45:38

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Recovery (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Predator (Str: 10, Dex: 10, Con: 8, Rec: 10)
Level 6: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 9: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 12: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 15: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
Level 18: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Bestial Fury
Level 1: Shred (Rank 2, Penetrating Strikes)
Level 6: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Pounce (Furious Rush)
Level 14: Howl (Rank 2, Rank 3, Accelerated Metabolism)
Level 17: Entrancing
Level 20: Massacre (Rank 2, Bloody Mess)
Level 23: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Fiery Embrace
Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 32: Supernatural Power
Level 35: Aspect of the Bestial
Level 38: Death's Embrace
Adv. Points: 31/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Swift Skating (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Stoic Flight

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Overpower (3/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Brawler: The Glory of Battle (3/3)
Brawler: Penetrating Strikes (2/2)
Brawler: Finishing Blow (3/3)
Brawler: Setup (2/2)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Devices

Additional Notes:
Note: Accele Meta is "Wild Strike!" for Howl

flowcyto

I got a little confused at your statement here, you said: "alternate between Shred and charged Massacre for single-targets" I get that but then you said "that's generally not as high dps as just using Massacre more heavily"

Am I reading this wrong lol, am I stupid or was there a mistake here, like what do you mean here

Normally, you'd want to use Massacre as much as you can for a basic Bestial dps build. Choosing to instead alternate between Shred and Massacre will cut down overall use of Massacre considerably, to make it not as ideal of a rotation overall. The rotation where you alternate between the attacks is still pretty strong w/ Brawler's Setup, though, so you can stick w/ it if you want.

(and if you do stick w/ the alternating rotation, then I wouldn't add Evis back in, as it's not needed then)

Edit: Oh I also went with Rec, not sure why I had End in there as Supernatural Power works better off with Rec, not End, so that was my mistake (...)

End is also good for Supernatural Power because it raises the energy threshold for the EU to proc. I'd actually say that End is a bit better than Rec when using costly SN powers (like Massacre, Thrash/DE, Defile, or Epidemic), while Rec is a bit better if you want more energy for non-SN powers. Usually you want a mix of both End and Rec when using Supernatural Power, as the combination of both helps give you smoother energy when using that EU.

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Anyways, the last edit of the build looks pretty decent for what it is. I'd prob pass on the Furious adv on Pounce if you already have ranked Howl for Furious stacks. Also, you forgot to move 2 points in Glory of Battle into Ruthless in Brawler spec. You could also swap Finishing Blow for Flanking, depending on how often you run group content w/ tanks that can turn enemies away from you (if you play mostly solo or w/o tanks then you can keep Finishing Blow instead). The last power could just be used as a wildcard slot, since you may not run content where you get much mileage from an ally rez, but that's also up to you. Finally, as noted before, I'd also prob change back to End SS, and talent for some Rec on the side.

circleofpsi

flowcyto wrote: »

Normally, you'd want to use Massacre as much as you can for a basic Bestial dps build. Choosing to instead alternate between Shred and Massacre will cut down overall use of Massacre considerably, to make it not as ideal of a rotation overall. The rotation where you alternate between the attacks is still pretty strong w/ Brawler's Setup, though, so you can stick w/ it if you want.

(and if you do stick w/ the alternating rotation, then I wouldn't add Evis back in, as it's not needed then)

Oh, alright thanks for clearing that up

flowcyto wrote: »

End is also good for Supernatural Power because it raises the energy threshold for the EU to proc. I'd actually say that End is a bit better than Rec when using costly SN powers (like Massacre, Thrash/DE, Defile, or Epidemic), while Rec is a bit better if you want more energy for non-SN powers. Usually you want a mix of both End and Rec when using Supernatural Power, as the combination of both helps give you smoother energy when using that EU.

I'd prob pass on the Furious adv on Pounce if you already have ranked Howl for Furious stacks. Also, you forgot to move 2 points in Glory of Battle into Ruthless in Brawler spec. Finally, as noted before, I'd also prob change back to End SS, and talent for some Rec on the side.

Here are the changes you suggested:

I've switched back to End (talents for some Rec on the side.) and removed Furious adv on Pounce, same goes for move 2 points in Glory of Battle into Ruthless in Brawler spec.

Thank you again


(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.45:38

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Penitent (Str: 10, Dex: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 6: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 9: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Bestial Fury
Level 1: Shred (Rank 2, Penetrating Strikes)
Level 6: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Pounce
Level 14: Howl (Rank 2, Rank 3, Accelerated Metabolism)
Level 17: Entrancing
Level 20: Massacre (Rank 2, Bloody Mess)
Level 23: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Fiery Embrace
Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2, Unchained)
Level 32: Supernatural Power
Level 35: Aspect of the Bestial
Level 38: Mind Control?
Adv. Points: 31/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Swift Skating (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Stoic Flight

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Overpower (3/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Brawler: The Glory of Battle (1/3)
Brawler: Penetrating Strikes (2/2)
Brawler: Ruthless (2/2)
Brawler: Finishing Blow (3/3)
Brawler: Setup (2/2)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Devices

Additional Notes:
Note: Accele Meta is "Wild Strike!" for Howl

flowcyto wrote: »

The last power could just be used as a wildcard slot, since you may not run content where you get much mileage from an ally rez, but that's also up to you.

Yeah, I'll likely just keep a Rez or keep it open, but also now I kinda want a Wildcard Power, where it'll change power each time you use it (limited and ofc only 2-3 powers in one) but all from the same tree.

flowcyto

Yea, that version of the build looks alright, and Mind Control is finally useful here because I can use it on you to make you delete Mind Control from your other builds. Have fun w/ the build, regardless.

jaazaniah1

Given the kind of content you run, I wonder if a threat wipe is really necessary? I've never found them useful while leveling and if you don't do high end game content maybe an AO or a stun would be more useful (e.g. Thunder Clap) or maybe Hurl (Hard Fall, Didn't See That Coming) for a ranged attack that applies Demolish (if throwing rocks fits the theme). For the last power, there is always Unleashed Rage (seems fitting for a Wendigo) or may some kind of animal pet, for theme/flavor?​​

circleofpsi

> @flowcyto said:
> Yea, that version of the build looks alright, and Mind Control is finally useful here because I can use it on you to make you delete Mind Control from your other builds. Have fun w/ the build, regardless.

Thanks for the help as alway flow and oh but you can't use it on me if I already have it

(Not to worry its not actually in the build)

> @jaazaniah1 said:
> Given the kind of content you run, I wonder if a threat wipe is really necessary? I've never found them useful while leveling and if you don't do high end game content maybe an AO or a stun would be more useful (e.g. Thunder Clap) or maybe Hurl (Hard Fall, Didn't See That Coming) for a ranged attack that applies Demolish (if throwing rocks fits the theme). For the last power, there is always Unleashed Rage (seems fitting for a Wendigo) or may some kind of animal pet, for theme/flavor?​​

I did have a AO but ended up not using it, I was thinking of going to get a Stun, but since none (besides voodo doll) worked with my EU, I decided against it, but I may add it, now that you pointed out Tundclap has the Stun.

Last power, I don't want a Pet as they die rather quickly and IIRC reduce your energy/more cost, as for unleashed rage, I was debating that, but likewise to the other Ult, it didn't porb with my EU or Form, but I can definitely see it being fitting.

If I ever return decide to swap the last power or so, I may just get the Stun or Ult.

circleofpsi

So I've gone back to the build and revamped it a bit as I've noticed that I wasn't doing as much DPS as I wanted, I also have been farming for SCR for Moonstruck and since I wanted to use it, I've slipped in into the build.

I've added in Frenzy for my main attack/w Massacre for high DPS and decent AoE Range, but I've also kept in Shred/w PS for Bosses to apply the Shred Buff only. I've switched from Unstop to Pestilence for the Bleed/Slash damage buff (But I could go with Way of the Warrior, but I think for overall DPS, Pestilence is key here, while I don't like the DoT of the Toxin Vis-Effect, it'll be a nice added DoT, outside of that)

Kept in most of my other powers, such as Self-Rez, EU/From, AD and Endo Rush, but also added Moonstruck as a small knockdown and Heal, porb not the best for a DPS build, but might be nice for team play (I may just replace this with Thunder Clap, if it not works out). Also kept in Howl, as the Endo-Rush/w Howl Furious combo is quite nice for teammates.

Rest of the build has not changed.

(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.45:38

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Penitent (Str: 10, Dex: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 6: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 9: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Bestial Fury
Level 1: Frenzy (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Pestilence (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Void Shift
Level 14: Shred (Penetrating Strikes)
Level 17: Howl (Rank 2, Rank 3, Accelerated Metabolism)
Level 20: Massacre (Rank 2, Bloody Mess)
Level 23: Moonstruck (Rank 2, Lunar Force, Midnight Frenzy)
Level 26: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Supernatural Power
Level 32: Aspect of the Bestial
Level 35: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 38: Fiery Embrace
Adv. Points: 36/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Swift Skating (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Stoic Flight

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Overpower (3/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Brawler: The Glory of Battle (1/3)
Brawler: Penetrating Strikes (2/2)
Brawler: Ruthless (2/2)
Brawler: Finishing Blow (3/3)
Brawler: Setup (2/2)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Devices

Additional Notes:
Note: Accele Meta is "Wild Strike!" for Howl

flowcyto

You really like using Frenzy, huh? Well, I guess as long as you still have Shred for debuffing bosses then it's fine. Moonstruck is prob a bit better for tanks or support, but I guess you really want to use the new power you acquired, so it's okay to try it out here.

circleofpsi

flowcyto wrote: »

You really like using Frenzy, huh? Well, I guess as long as you still have Shred for debuffing bosses then it's fine. Moonstruck is prob a bit better for tanks or support, but I guess you really want to use the new power you acquired, so it's okay to try it out here.

Mostly want to try to see if it's any better for AoE choice, as I have it in the build when I started, so I can keep a decent AoE but also have Shred for it's debuff and yes if the power doesn't work out, I'll replace it with something else.


Build is sorted but still need to farm them last bit of SCR before I fully test the build, so we'll see!