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omnius
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Edited. I had originally retracted this because of the first 2 replies making good points. However this was also discussed by several other people on Discord in a fairly in depth conversation in which Kaiserin was involved and participating, and I think it would be wrong to ignore it. The short version, which wasn't disputed by anyone is basically this: The more people at a cosmic with a certain damage type resist debuff there are, the better damage will be by people there using that damage type. Is there a cap at some point? Yes. Does it matter then? Still yes. If there are 10 people at a cosmic dealing crushing damage, and likely also using crushing debuffs, but only a couple of players using some other damage type, they are already at a disadvantage. And it was also undisputed crushing damage resistance debuffs are the most prevalent in the game. We already all know this. I'm probably not the only one who's heard the phrase "crushing damage is king" in game chat.
At one point we were asked "perhaps removing the extra debuff split portion from demolish will address it" which was disagreed with because as was pointed out here in this thread, people will simply migrate to the next best damage type, and we're no further ahead. Several other suggestions were tossed back and forth but the gist of it is that this has at least been acknowledged. What happens and when is another story.
On a side note, the fact that BCF is viewed as the meta dps in the game right now was also raised. Because well it being partially crushing obviously, but more importantly it requires basically zero ramp-up, and hardly needs to be rotated with anything other than a demolish debuff tap. But the real gem of BCF is that it both applies and refreshes its own damage boost. Meaning you do not need to activate another power to get the benefit of Chi Flame because it both gives and refreshes itself
I don't really have a dog in this race tbh, because I've long favored ranged over melee despite the significant dps gap between them. Believe me, if FC wasn't such a massive hog that not too many people jump all over it, you can bet we'd be talking about that too. My point is when an imbalance becomes so glaringly obvious that there's half a dozen of a particular meta at any given OM for every one other "OP meta" framework, that would be a good indication that something ought to be adjusted somehow. There's nothing wrong with correcting imbalances and I don't think dismissal is the right approach
At one point we were asked "perhaps removing the extra debuff split portion from demolish will address it" which was disagreed with because as was pointed out here in this thread, people will simply migrate to the next best damage type, and we're no further ahead. Several other suggestions were tossed back and forth but the gist of it is that this has at least been acknowledged. What happens and when is another story.
On a side note, the fact that BCF is viewed as the meta dps in the game right now was also raised. Because well it being partially crushing obviously, but more importantly it requires basically zero ramp-up, and hardly needs to be rotated with anything other than a demolish debuff tap. But the real gem of BCF is that it both applies and refreshes its own damage boost. Meaning you do not need to activate another power to get the benefit of Chi Flame because it both gives and refreshes itself
I don't really have a dog in this race tbh, because I've long favored ranged over melee despite the significant dps gap between them. Believe me, if FC wasn't such a massive hog that not too many people jump all over it, you can bet we'd be talking about that too. My point is when an imbalance becomes so glaringly obvious that there's half a dozen of a particular meta at any given OM for every one other "OP meta" framework, that would be a good indication that something ought to be adjusted somehow. There's nothing wrong with correcting imbalances and I don't think dismissal is the right approach
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Trying to balance the game is like doing whack a mole anyway. If one power/powerset is nerfed the mini-maxers will just migrate to the next best one.
Anyways, it's actually not that healthy to keep being fixated on scores on the scoreboard. As long as you do your role well, it's good enough.
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I have a Celestial DPS (one darkness power for Dimensional debuff). It surely doesn't top any scoreboards BUT it does well and can make DPS check at dino. Works. Fun. 'nuff said.
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I would be curious to see that Celestial DPS, if you wanted to share it in the build section, perhaps?
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Nothing real special. I don't get very high ticks from Celestial Conduit, but this character makes DPS checks at Dino. Some minor mods for Dex (total stat is 40). Some gear w/ crit chance. So, he gets 30.6% crit chance, 88% severity.
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Level 6: Intelligence (Primary)
Level 10: Recovery (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)
Talents
Level 1: Sureshot (Dex: 12, Int: 12)
Level 6: Investigator (Int: 5, End: 5)
Level 9: Negotiator (Int: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 12: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Coordinated (Dex: 5, Int: 5)
Level 18: Shooter (Dex: 5, Ego: 5)
Level 21: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
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Level 1: Radiance
Level 1: Rebuke (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Celestial Conduit (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Illumination (Brilliance)
Level 11: Vengeance (Rank 2, Redemption Denied)
Level 14: Eldritch Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Crashing Incantation (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Spellcaster
Level 23: Enchanter (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Redemption (Rank 2)
Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 32: Conjuring
Level 35: Shadow Eruption (Drag Back, Envelope In Shadows)
Level 38: Rebirth
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Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
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Intelligence: Preparation (2/2)
Intelligence: Enlightened (3/3)
Intelligence: Revitalize (2/3)
Intelligence: Detect Vulnerability (3/3)
Avenger: Ruthless (2/2)
Avenger: Anguish (2/2)
Avenger: Round 'em Up (3/3)
Avenger: Relentless Assault (3/3)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Initiative (1/2)
Vindicator: The Rush of Battle (3/3)
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Mastery: Intelligence Mastery (1/1)
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I REFUSE to be Slave to the Meta 🤷! It's just ruins my fun and it's been pretty draining how Stagnated the Endgame has become! I'm just having fun doing Well-Rounded builds that can deal DPS and Survive/Recover solo content in QWZ which I enjoy doing!
Being so obsessed with the scoreboard is pretty unhealthy!