Can Unarmed MA and Fire work together?

dialamx

I had an idea for a new build, combining Unarmed MA with some Fire, since I knew Unarmed MA had a lot of fire themed stuff in it. However, after taking a closer look, I see only One Hundred Hands can apply an actual Fire effect. All other attacks apply "Chi Flame" which, I think, does dimensional damage, not actual fire damage. So I'm just curious if that's correct, and if it's possible to have some symmetry in the two power sets. The idea was to focus primarily on Unarmed MA, with some of the more melee focused Fire abilities added in.

rhymere

With invisible weapons Sterga Lawless made a pretty cool fiery hands build awhile back. It wont top DPS charts but it is fun, you'll need invisible weapons though. Here is the build she updated for me:

Flaming Fists Remaster - Freeform (Any / Multiple)
v3.44:37

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Recovery (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Devastator (Str: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
Level 6: Mighty (Str: 8)
Level 9: Enduring (Con: 8)
Level 12: Tireless (Rec: 8)
Level 15: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)
Level 18: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Clobber
Level 1: Pulverizer
Level 6: Enrage
Level 8: Guard (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Night Warrior (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 14: Arc of Ruin (No Quarter, Wildfire)
Level 17: Earth Splitter (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Open Palm Strike (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Vicious Descent (Work Up)
Level 26: Warmth (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Indestructible
Level 32: Immolation
Level 35: Devastating Strike (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 38: Absorb Heat (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Adv. Points: 36/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Blazing Speed (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Flight

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: The Rush of Battle (3/3)
Vindicator: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Devices

flowcyto

Yea, most of Unarmed doesn't actually deal w/ Fire dmg, and Chi Flame is indeed Dimensional dmg instead. Here's an alternative build, though, which uses Unarmed for its basic attacks, and has a few Fire-based powers in there as well:

(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.44:37

Super Stats
Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
Level 10: Endurance (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Samurai (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
Level 6: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 9: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
Level 21: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Vicious Strikes
Level 1: One Hundred Hands (Rank 2, Flaming Fists)
Level 6: Night Warrior (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Form of the Tempest
Level 11: Thermal Reverberation
Level 14: Incendiary Grenade (Chemical Burn, Scorched Ground)
Level 17: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 20: Dragon Uppercut (Rank 2, Dragon Rush)
Level 23: Absorb Heat (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Smoke Bomb Lunge (Nailed to the Ground)
Level 29: Fire Shield (Rank 2)
Level 32: Immolation (Rank 2, Blazing Body)
Level 35:
Level 38: Fiery Embrace
Adv. Points: 31/36

Travel Powers
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations
Dexterity: Combat Training (3/3)
Dexterity: Gear Utilization (2/3)
Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Dexterity Mastery (1/1)

The open power slot can be w/e ya want.

If you can justify taking it, the fire grenade is quite useful here to help put up CFlames (for TReverb) and No Quarter (for both a Crushing and Fire dmg debuff). Otherwise, 100Hands can be the main AoE attack, while charges of DU can be used for single-targets. Gears mostly for Dex, w/ some Con and End (and some cost discount on gear).

dialamx

Thank you both. Flow's build is closer to what I had originally started doing, but I'm going to try the "Flaming Fist" out sometime as well, on a different character.

andondarkmore

I have 2 characters that May fit the bill. (If there are any suggestions for my builds I would like to hear "read" them)

Chi Flame colored red for the "fire" effect instead of real fire.

MARK DRAGON (*) - Freeform (Hybrid)
v3.44:37

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Master (Str: 8, Dex: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 10)
Level 6: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
Level 9: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Throw Fire
Level 1: Thundering Kicks (Floating Lotus Blossom, Demolishing Strikes)
Level 6: Steadfast
Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Form of the Master
Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Dragon Kick (Rank 2, Dragon Rush)
Level 20: Burning Chi Fist (Rank 2, Shattering Strike, Ghostly Strikes)
Level 23: Smoke Bomb Lunge
Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 29: Fire Shield (Rank 2)
Level 32: Intensity (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace
Level 38: Fury of the Dragon (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Adv. Points: 36/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Athletics
Level 35: Phoenix Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Juggernaut (1/3)
Strength: Overpower (2/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Elusive (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (2/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (3/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Devices

Celestial Dragon Breath Device for more "dragon" theme.

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Follower of the Dragon

KNIGHT OF THE DRACONIC COURT (*) - Freeform (Hybrid)
v3.44:37

Super Stats
Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
Level 10: Endurance (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Chiller (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 6: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 9: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 12: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
Level 21: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Throw Fire
Level 1: Fire Breath (Rank 2, Spitfire)
Level 6: Thermal Reverberation
Level 8: Form of the Tempest
Level 11: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 14: One Hundred Hands (Demolishing Strikes, Flaming Fists)
Level 17: Way of the Warrior (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Dragon Uppercut (Rank 2, Dragon Rush)
Level 23: Thunderbolt Lunge
Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 29: Absorb Heat (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Fire Shield (Rank 2)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace
Level 38: Fury of the Dragon (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Adv. Points: 36/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Acrobatics (Rank 2)
Level 35: Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)

Specializations
Dexterity: Combat Training (2/3)
Dexterity: Gear Utilization (3/3)
Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Dexterity Mastery (1/1)

Devices
Celestial Dragon Breath Device for more "dragon" theme.

flowcyto

andondarkmore wrote: »

I have 2 characters that May fit the bill. (If there are any suggestions for my builds I would like to hear "read" them) (...)

Both of those builds can work fine, at least for a Hybrid-dps approach. Even though it's not as efficient as the 1st build (which is mostly a normal Unarmed build), I think I like the 2nd build from a thematic standpoint more. Fire Breath is somewhat redundant w/ 100Hands as an AoE, but it can be nice to have a spamable ranged AoE option that also reinforces a more distinct theme.