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locochoco#7652 locochoco Posts: 77 Arc User
edited April 7 in Builds and Roles
Black Tempest was a mediocre build that was good [not great] for mundane content, and pretty underwhelming for PvP (what he was supposed to exist for). As such, I made the tough choice to end his journey on CO, and use his FF slot to upgrade a much more deserving toon.

I have grown to love Northwatch so much since making him. He is the toon I wanted to make when I first started my account, but wasn't quite able to achieve. I plan to take his Behemoth core and simply improve upon that build as much as possible.

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Old Behemoth Layout:
Northwatch - The Behemoth (Tank)
v3.44:36

Super Stats
Level 6: Constitution (Primary)
Level 10: Strength (Secondary)
Level 15: Recovery (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Behemoth (Str: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
Level 7: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 12: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 15: Tireless (Rec: 8)
Level 20: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)
Level 25: Mighty (Str: 8)
Level 30: Enduring (Con: 8)

Powers
Level 1: Clobber
Level 1: Defensive Combo (Rank 2, Rank 3, Pummel)
Level 6: Mighty Leap (Rampant)
Level 8: Defiance (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Thunderclap (Rank 2, Collateral Damage)
Level 14: Enrage
Level 17: Uppercut (Rank 2, Reckless Endangerment)
Level 21: Retaliation (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 25: Pulverizer
Level 30: Shockwave (Rank 2, Power Shift, Challenge!)
Level 35: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 40: Call To Battle (Work Up, Challenge!)
Adv. Points: 36/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Flight (Rank 2)
Level 35: Mach Speed

Specializations
Constitution: Unyielding (2/2)
Constitution: Fuel My Fire (3/3)
Constitution: Resilient (2/2)
Constitution: Armored (2/2)
Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
Protector: Resolute (3/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Elusive (2/2)
Warden: Tenacious (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Mastery: Constitution Mastery (1/1)


New Layout:

Northwatch 2.0 - Freeform (Hybrid)
v3.44:36

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: Superhuman (Str: 12, Con: 12)
Level 6: Mighty (Str: 8)
Level 9: Enduring (Con: 8)
Level 12: Agile (Dex: 8)
Level 15: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)
Level 18: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 21: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Clobber
Level 1: Defensive Combo (Rank 2, Pummel)
Level 6: Mighty Leap (Rampant)
Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Uppercut (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 14: Enrage
Level 17: Shockwave (Rank 2, Power Shift, Challenge!)
Level 20: Resurgence (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Parry (Rank 2)
Level 26: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Conviction (Rank 2, Reverence)
Level 32: Call To Battle (Intimidating Force, Challenge!)
Level 35: Pulverizer
Level 38:
Adv. Points: 36/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Flight (Rank 2)
Level 35: Mach Speed

Specializations
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Aggression (2/2)
Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
Strength: Overpower (2/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Tenacious (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
Protector: Resolute (3/3)





The main thing is that he can do more to heal himself. Feel free to suggest away, this is a project build now.
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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 11,356 Arc User
    edited April 8
    I'd prob just get R3 on Conviction, since the Rev AoE heal won't be that much as a non-support. Now that it's an FF, you can also opt to drop Call to Battle for something that has a lower cd and perhaps more impact- like, maybe you can use that slot towards TClap now, or something (maybe a threat wipe if you are in dps mode and don't want aggro? Or maybe just another heal power. I dunno, it's kinda just up to you and what else you want to add). I may also swap R3 in Resurgence for R3 in the block enhancer, since R3 Resurgence is more likely to be over-heal than R2, and the block is good for a tank.

    It looks like you want to settle on Uppercut instead of Haymaker. That's okay if you really like Uppercut, but I may still add a way to put up the Demolish debuff in there somewhere. If you want to free up more adv points, you could prob drop the adv on Mighty Leap (Reckless is nice for Haymaker's adv, but you aren't taking that here). I may also get Brutality instead of Overpower in STR PSS, and you could also consider getting Elusive in Warden spec. Protector spec is very good for a tank build, but you could also consider Vindicator or Guardian if you want more of a hybrid-dps focus. Dex SS is also good to boost your dmg and threat a bit more, but if you are having energy issues then you could go back to Rec SS to help alleviate that (some +Rec Talents can also help a small amount). Overall, nitpicking aside, the build looks like it could work pretty well atm.
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  • locochoco#7652 locochoco Posts: 77 Arc User
    Turns out conviction drops on you if you take dmg. And I don't mind the way I have CtB set up rn. I find Thunerclap isn't that good for the cooldown or range, considering you need 2 adv points to make it effective.

    Northwatch 2.0 - Freeform (Hybrid)
    v3.44:36

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Strength (Primary)
    Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
    Level 15: Dexterity (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: Superhuman (Str: 12, Con: 12)
    Level 6: Mighty (Str: 8)
    Level 9: Enduring (Con: 8)
    Level 12: Agile (Dex: 8)
    Level 15: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)
    Level 18: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
    Level 21: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Clobber
    Level 1: Defensive Combo (Rank 2, Pummel)
    Level 6: Mighty Leap
    Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Uppercut (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 14: Enrage
    Level 17: Shockwave (Rank 2, Power Shift, Challenge!)
    Level 20: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 23: Parry (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 26: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 29: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 32: Call To Battle (Intimidating Force, Work Up, Challenge!)
    Level 35: Pulverizer
    Level 38: Rebirth
    Adv. Points: 36/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6: Flight (Rank 2)
    Level 35: Mach Speed

    Specializations
    Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
    Strength: Aggression (2/2)
    Strength: Brutality (2/2)
    Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
    Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
    Warden: Tenacious (2/2)
    Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
    Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
    Protector: Resolute (3/3)
    Mastery: Warden Mastery (1/1)
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 11,356 Arc User
    Well, you'd take Conviction mostly for the heal component, and not really for the temp health boost, but ERush is a good heal here too. CtB is still not a power I'd recommend, but do w/e floats your boat. I'm not sure I'd get a self-res here either, since dying as a tank wipes aggro and there's no taunt mechanic in CO. Rebirth does also damage you for your maxHP over time, so you may want a different self-res, if you're set on getting one. I'd still prob advise getting Demolish or a another Crushing debuff in the long run, since it'll allow you to do more dmg w/ Uppercut, primarily.
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  • locochoco#7652 locochoco Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited April 8
    Rebirth is less about my aggro level (dying is dying, aggro has nothing to do with having to respawn), and more about managing my own deaths and not having to drop back to the nearest spawn point, at which time you just form up and get back to fighting anyway. Same aggro grind, same lack of proper taunting. It's just about getting back into the fight then and there, no help needed, no respawn required. And Rebirth gives you some nice advantages and buffs when returning anyway.


    I don't see much room to add something like Demo without forcing it just for a lil dmg buff.

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  • locochoco#7652 locochoco Posts: 77 Arc User
    Oh yeah, I forgot. I was thinking about adding Thundering Kicks somewhere, somehow for the avoidance buffs, and another small cone AoE brawler move. I would almost be willing to test run both CtB and T. Kicks at length, considering the possibility of making that trade.

    I haven't actually used CtB yet, ever, but I like the move for a few reasons, and they are as follows: Reckless provides a knock resistance buff that greatly appeals to a tank like me, who never wants to be knocked back. It also gives that Knock res. buff to my nearby allies. Furthermore the way I've set it up, it provides the additional selfheal buff, but mainly it knocks enemies down, feeding my Enrage and Pulv ticks, as well as popping an extra layer of challenge, and my challenge is debilitating. To me that is a pretty versatile power to have laying around because I don't want all dmg powers - that was one of BT's biggest problems.
  • jaazaniah1jaazaniah1 Posts: 4,262 Arc User
    Rebirth causes you to take damage over time. So it rezes you and then starts to kill you again. Better is Fiery Embrace.

    Elusive in Warden might be more helpful for a tank than Tenacious?
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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 11,356 Arc User
    I don't see much room to add something like Demo without forcing it just for a lil dmg buff.
    I mean, it's not really little, but for a tank it is a bit less of a priority than it would be for a dps. Perhaps when you learn the content more and are dying less you could look to changing the self-res for something else.
    I haven't actually used CtB yet, ever, but I like the move for a few reasons, and they are as follows: Reckless provides a knock resistance buff that greatly appeals to a tank like me, who never wants to be knocked back. It also gives that Knock res. buff to my nearby allies. Furthermore the way I've set it up, it provides the additional selfheal buff, but mainly it knocks enemies down, feeding my Enrage and Pulv ticks, as well as popping an extra layer of challenge, and my challenge is debilitating. To me that is a pretty versatile power to have laying around because I don't want all dmg powers - that was one of BT's biggest problems.
    Hm, so you hadn't been using it yet.. Well, the potential effects of the power are good for a tank on paper, I'll admit. The main issue really is just the longer cd making it weaker than it could be. Perhaps if the cd more closely matched the length of a buff like Reckless it'd be something I'd recommend, but not really atm.
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  • locochoco#7652 locochoco Posts: 77 Arc User
    When I look at making a 'tank' build, I'm not just thinking 'HP, defense, aggro. HP, defense, aggro." My thinking here is that gaining a bit of offense every time I take dmg (sort of my whole role), is much, much better for a tank, than shaving off a tiny bit of dmg from AoE type attacks. The whole point of a tank is not needing things like Elusive, because they are built to shrug that damage off to begin with. It's why I have Resurge, Endorphin Rush, and want CtB for healing in addition to the extra knock attempts.

    To me it makes much more sense to turn all dmg into a bit offense, vs shave a tiny portion of only AoE attacks. Perhaps my logic is not Champions enough yet.


    And you're right, the goal is to not being dying much. But let's face it, we all die sometimes. I don't want to not be able to revive myself in the rare cases that I may die.

    I will probably make the rez my second to last power, CtB my last, and leave that last power slot as a floating power I can remove and replace as times/tastes/content requires. Because CtB accounts for enough adv pts to work with any power conpletely.
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 11,356 Arc User
    Elusive in Warden is pretty nice for a defensive option, and mostly cause high-end bosses can use many AoE attacks that it can passively mitigate. So it could potentially be a good pick here, but it somewhat depends on what you want to prioritize for the build and to a degree what content you do.
    I will probably make the rez my second to last power, CtB my last, and leave that last power slot as a floating power I can remove and replace as times/tastes/content requires. Because CtB accounts for enough adv pts to work with any power conpletely.
    Yea, that sounds like a pretty good idea in the long run.
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  • locochoco#7652 locochoco Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited April 9
    Energy was a bit of an issue, especially when wanting to go into every mob by smacking power shift to draw aggro, and suck the ranged units into my D.Combo range.

    Furthermore, Dex wasn't contributing to my build much aside from the core effects, and when taking a closer look at my power set, too many of them scale with Rec for me to overlook it entirely.

    And, since Tenacious and Elusive aren't even in the same block, one can have both.

    EDIT: Northwatch 2.0 - Freeform (Hybrid)
    v3.44:36

    Super Stats
    Level 6: Strength (Primary)
    Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
    Level 15: Recovery (Secondary)

    Talents
    Level 1: The Behemoth (Str: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
    Level 6: Mighty (Str: 8)
    Level 9: Enduring (Con: 8)
    Level 12: Tireless (Rec: 8)
    Level 15: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)
    Level 18: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
    Level 21: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)

    Powers
    Level 1: Clobber
    Level 1: Defensive Combo (Rank 2, Pummel)
    Level 6: Mighty Leap
    Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 11: Uppercut (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 14: Enrage
    Level 17: Shockwave (Rank 2, Power Shift, Challenge!)
    Level 20: Resurgence (Rank 2)
    Level 23: Endorphin Rush (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 26: Parry (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 29: Indestructible (Rank 2, Rank 3)
    Level 32: Pulverizer
    Level 35: Rebirth
    Level 38: Call To Battle (Intimidating Force, Work Up, Challenge!)
    Adv. Points: 36/36

    Travel Powers
    Level 6: Flight (Rank 2)
    Level 35: Mach Speed

    Specializations
    Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
    Strength: Aggression (2/2)
    Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
    Strength: Overpower (2/3)
    Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Warden: Elusive (2/2)
    Warden: Tenacious (2/2)
    Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
    Protector: Fortified Gear (3/3)
    Protector: Bulwark (2/2)
    Protector: Debilitating Challenge (2/2)
    Protector: Defensive Expertise (3/3)
    Mastery: Warden Mastery (1/1)

    Devices

    I've switched over to Defensive Expertise to trim the cooldown on Resurge and Indestructible, because Unstoppable was an error that slipped through the cracks.
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 11,356 Arc User
    Ah, I thought you were going for a dual-passive build there w/ Unstoppable (which could also be a good approach, if you like some flexibility). Well, you can have 2 ADs as a tank, but they now share the same cd when used, so you'll have to pick whether you want the big heal or the mitigation cd each time. R3 Masterful Dodge is also prob a better mitigation cd for tanks than R3 Indestructible, since you already have high defenses as a tank and R3 MD's 100% dodge will turn its 60%+ avoidance into reliable further mitigation. The switch to Rec SS also sounds fine, if you needed the energy boost.
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