Logically, if the reason Monster Island and Lemuria Crisis should remain team-only content is 'this is an MMO, play a single player game if you don't like it', then that reason extends to every piece of content on the MMO.
Therefore, I would like to propose that nobody should be PERMITTED to leave the Ren Cen unless they are on a six-person team. No missions, no zones... not even the costume creator. THIS IS AN MMO. If you don't like it, go play a single-player game, you Philistine.
You seem to miss the forest for the trees a lot. I don't think anyone said they should be. But then again last I checked MI Crisis and Lemurian Crisis are not required content to progress into those zones.
actually you was hinting at that kinda a lot, you never once said you was for this nor you said you was against it, however you went against it by saying this
No one said this game didn't have this amount of Soloable content, For what you said there was very misleading thing to say let along it was off topic atleast to the point of the incorrect meaning of the a acronym of word in <MMO> that i had to correct, that was very very odd, and weird i had to do that, and made no sense, but had to correct this because by your words up there, you just out right said if not hint: "these mission don't need a solo queuing because it a <MMO>" that what you just said if not hint at very most, you never once said you for this idea of these mission being solo queuing, Like NEVER! so yeah if he kinda hint at you shewolf and Foxi and maybe penta for that because that what yall been saying on this discussion this whole time...
Also, No you don't even need to do the crisis mission Canada and Southwest Desert Crisis to unlock them, atleast not anymore anyway but you are Force to do Vibora bay Crisis in order to unlock VB. and you cant get a team to help you with that unless someone is in the area zone, or got teleport to Team or teleport team device, and that's funny considering that you need a team of 2 Xtra people to get in the other crisis like Monster island and Lemuria, Like really now? LOL
Your attempt at a straw man is quite laughable here, especially since you questioned it directly. Or are you really going to claim this was not what you were getting at when you said this after your poor quote attempt?
At first thought you was talking about another game, okay.
1. if you talk about using a Freeform, Then that do not count. that is not really a standard or something you get right off when you start playing this game, you want to give people a reason to invest in to this game not a reason invest because it looks logical, it not a good choice of action invest in a FF right at start because of Semi-complexity and must have the knowledge of what he\she is doing with side FF Powers.
2. used to be a time that the old mega destroid can be soloed and get good amount of Gs [50-80Gs worth] from just by soloing it, but that now no long a thing that can be done now, and it more of a get a call up a team and get the roles for the job, just like cosmic, that a good thing because this help people to learn how to fight cosmics in away, and at the right time and place! but that was a huge loss of profit within the game, when i said "this game needs some more soloable content" i mean profitable solo content like getting a item to sell or to keep, or something that give more life to this game, like getting collectibles [Action figures don't cut it!] like items bring in entertain and fun and usefulness to the community, it a reason i said Cosmics, and Gold recognition within my reply, because these are the most Go to in champions Online, and i thought you would catch on to that, And also Standard mission in CO also don't don't really cut it in to this, yeah! they are soloable, maybe to a point. but they can be only done like 1 time per character at least to some anyway, and i'm not altoholic, and it be silly to think alot of people are...
3.Alert are not count as soloable, and i hope you know this because that truly do not count, because you can somehow solo a boss without a teams help don't means it soloable, you need 4-7 people to even be within the alert, and you Grab,Burst,smash, they soloable with a Freeform... and maybe with a AT with a certain powerset, but that will mean you will need All 4 people to somehow Quit or crash with in the alert while you fighting the boss, if you don't ask them to do so, that will be the chance of that happening... 2% if not less then that,
Rampage and Customs Alerts, Customs?... Nope, with Save The Earth anyway being that thing. Rampage? No, Fire and ice. because Rampage and Customs alerts are not meant to be soloable, it rightout silly to say alert count as soloable content, with they are made not to be so. <:/
4. "exception are cosmics" really? so you solo Teleios Ascendant by yourself? Or just you didn't know that exist? lair also a thing to By The Way, not once you mention this, in anyway, are you really in the right to say it 95%?
5. if it is 95% why is there's are more people at Rencenter MC doing nothing but chatting and not doing these 95% soloable content? and why is places like Desert, Canada, Monster Island, Vibora bay having so few range from 1-7 people, we all know those number go higher then that when a cosmic is going on. i know this game may not have that much people but, Cmon! unless you telling me Roleplaying with or without a X is soloable content, alone with standing by defender all day.
Again all you're trying to do is straw man at this point, but demonstrating a fundamental disconnect of what you are talking about. Here's an actual fact, you don't need to do any of the crisis outside of VB Apocalypse to go to those zones. So yes, you did indeed say that this game doesn't have that amount of soloable content, demonstrating you're just trying to straw man. Also, the point of the MMO, as pointed out, you do have the incorrect view of.
And at this point all you are doing is writing word salad to try and create a false narrative by bogging down with tripe.
There is a difference between "the game needs more soloable content" (I mean, it needs more content in general, but it needs group content more than solo content) and "the MI and Lemuria crises should be soloable" (as leveling content, they probably should be, though the escort portion of the Lemuria crisis would probably be extremely annoying solo).
From a genre point of view (i.e superhero comics, not MMOs), is there any good reason not to have "some" end game content that can be done solo? I think even Batman solos some difficult content . I guess from a dev point of view it might be easier to develop trinity-based content than to develop content that is fun and variable depending on the role of the character, but that is different from whether some soloable content is desirable.
Whenever I get bored with the limited group end game content I go and level a character up to 40 by running missions by myself, not using any XP bonuses or Grab alert spamming. Sure is nice not to have to deal with some of the grief that can happen at cosmics.
From a genre point of view (i.e superhero comics, not MMOs), is there any good reason not to have "some" end game content that can be done solo?
Well, there's not much gcr content that can be done solo, but there's a fair amount of scr content, and you tend to actually need more scr than the gcr content can give you.
The problem with endgame solo content is that it's very hard to normalize the difficulty. I mean, a boss who's a challenge for a Savage AT is probably unbeatable by 90% of characters.
Logically, if the reason Monster Island and Lemuria Crisis should remain team-only content is 'this is an MMO, play a single player game if you don't like it', then that reason extends to every piece of content on the MMO.
Therefore, I would like to propose that nobody should be PERMITTED to leave the Ren Cen unless they are on a six-person team. No missions, no zones... not even the costume creator. THIS IS AN MMO. If you don't like it, go play a single-player game, you Philistine.
You seem to miss the forest for the trees a lot. I don't think anyone said they should be. But then again last I checked MI Crisis and Lemurian Crisis are not required content to progress into those zones.
actually you was hinting at that kinda a lot, you never once said you was for this nor you said you was against it, however you went against it by saying this
No one said this game didn't have this amount of Soloable content, For what you said there was very misleading thing to say let along it was off topic atleast to the point of the incorrect meaning of the a acronym of word in <MMO> that i had to correct, that was very very odd, and weird i had to do that, and made no sense, but had to correct this because by your words up there, you just out right said if not hint: "these mission don't need a solo queuing because it a <MMO>" that what you just said if not hint at very most, you never once said you for this idea of these mission being solo queuing, Like NEVER! so yeah if he kinda hint at you shewolf and Foxi and maybe penta for that because that what yall been saying on this discussion this whole time...
Also, No you don't even need to do the crisis mission Canada and Southwest Desert Crisis to unlock them, atleast not anymore anyway but you are Force to do Vibora bay Crisis in order to unlock VB. and you cant get a team to help you with that unless someone is in the area zone, or got teleport to Team or teleport team device, and that's funny considering that you need a team of 2 Xtra people to get in the other crisis like Monster island and Lemuria, Like really now? LOL
Your attempt at a straw man is quite laughable here, especially since you questioned it directly. Or are you really going to claim this was not what you were getting at when you said this after your poor quote attempt?
At first thought you was talking about another game, okay.
1. if you talk about using a Freeform, Then that do not count. that is not really a standard or something you get right off when you start playing this game, you want to give people a reason to invest in to this game not a reason invest because it looks logical, it not a good choice of action invest in a FF right at start because of Semi-complexity and must have the knowledge of what he\she is doing with side FF Powers.
2. used to be a time that the old mega destroid can be soloed and get good amount of Gs [50-80Gs worth] from just by soloing it, but that now no long a thing that can be done now, and it more of a get a call up a team and get the roles for the job, just like cosmic, that a good thing because this help people to learn how to fight cosmics in away, and at the right time and place! but that was a huge loss of profit within the game, when i said "this game needs some more soloable content" i mean profitable solo content like getting a item to sell or to keep, or something that give more life to this game, like getting collectibles [Action figures don't cut it!] like items bring in entertain and fun and usefulness to the community, it a reason i said Cosmics, and Gold recognition within my reply, because these are the most Go to in champions Online, and i thought you would catch on to that, And also Standard mission in CO also don't don't really cut it in to this, yeah! they are soloable, maybe to a point. but they can be only done like 1 time per character at least to some anyway, and i'm not altoholic, and it be silly to think alot of people are...
3.Alert are not count as soloable, and i hope you know this because that truly do not count, because you can somehow solo a boss without a teams help don't means it soloable, you need 4-7 people to even be within the alert, and you Grab,Burst,smash, they soloable with a Freeform... and maybe with a AT with a certain powerset, but that will mean you will need All 4 people to somehow Quit or crash with in the alert while you fighting the boss, if you don't ask them to do so, that will be the chance of that happening... 2% if not less then that,
Rampage and Customs Alerts, Customs?... Nope, with Save The Earth anyway being that thing. Rampage? No, Fire and ice. because Rampage and Customs alerts are not meant to be soloable, it rightout silly to say alert count as soloable content, with they are made not to be so. <:/
4. "exception are cosmics" really? so you solo Teleios Ascendant by yourself? Or just you didn't know that exist? lair also a thing to By The Way, not once you mention this, in anyway, are you really in the right to say it 95%?
5. if it is 95% why is there's are more people at Rencenter MC doing nothing but chatting and not doing these 95% soloable content? and why is places like Desert, Canada, Monster Island, Vibora bay having so few range from 1-7 people, we all know those number go higher then that when a cosmic is going on. i know this game may not have that much people but, Cmon! unless you telling me Roleplaying with or without a X is soloable content, alone with standing by defender all day.
Again all you're trying to do is straw man at this point, but demonstrating a fundamental disconnect of what you are talking about. Here's an actual fact, you don't need to do any of the crisis outside of VB Apocalypse to go to those zones. So yes, you did indeed say that this game doesn't have that amount of soloable content, demonstrating you're just trying to straw man. Also, the point of the MMO, as pointed out, you do have the incorrect view of.
And at this point all you are doing is writing word salad to try and create a false narrative by bogging down with tripe.
1. you make an excuse for yourself, you a grown person you know what to say and not to say right? and I hope you not trying to play the victim here...
2.Your arguments are very flawed, so no need to misrepresenting it, since they already flawed within the first sentence.
Flawed argument [A]: 'Yes, because 95% of the game being soloable, constitutes it needs more".
what are these 95%? this is very pulled number you didn't clear up on that, you only went halfway and only halfway with your statement on that, and made it worst, alerts huh? really? to me 65% solo - 35% team
even if it is 95%, I don't see a problem of them adding more because, not like this game is popular, until it becomes more popular then it is now or got a high count of people, then they could start adding teambase content, at this they could still do this just lock item that PEOPLE WANT, behind it Like a special currency,
Eg gold rec
Flawed argument : "missing the point of the MMO part of MMORPG."
again MMO regardless of being RPG or not, do not mean you need to play within a team or help out people, it doesn't always mean that. percentage or not, like even for Cosmic on was something to show for something like this, we had guides on how to fight cosmics on website but after a few years people stop posting them, for reason: unknown this did not help the cause nor it helps the newcomers fighting to come to take part of the action we had a link we never post it, we know how it works, but rarely mention it, until Someone mess up or do something wrong, Quick to call them a troll or make fun of them messing up, if not get angry at them or the fact it happens.
like mordray001 some RPG game does try to cater to people like him, in the end, it all about money, not what an MMORPG is, any MMORPG can drop any team content and go full soloness if it costing them their bank account, missing a point how video game businesses work...
Flawed Argument [C]: "So yes, you did indeed say that this game doesn't have that amount of soloable content
"
No, I didn't, I wasn't aware of that percentage, but I was NOT needed to know of that percentage, at least not on this discussion.
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> That seems to be missing the point of 'MMO'.
Well this is also only Game of it kind can't really blame him on that, but really this game needs some more soloable content, NOT content turn soloable like cosmics Or Gold recognition grinding stuff.
I said it needs "more soloable content" not "a lot more soloable content compare to this or that" nor did i or anyone say This game didn't have enough solo content ether, so that percentage wasn't called for nor was that kind reply you gave out, I was also being considerate, while you being inconsiderate.
Monster Island Crisis is a soloable queue. However you have to wait I think 3 minutes before it will stop searching and begin. Lemurian Crisis on the other hand is not.
you not aware what goes on in this game even though you been playing since 08?
the fact you don't know this is even more of a reason to turn this into a solo queuing, don't you think?.
that your first reply BTW.
4. you keep pushing a false narrative that is false, at mordray001, ealford1985, fermi, you made a total of 9 replies on a suggestion discussion you not supporting......
5.Flawed Argument [D]: you don't need to do any of the crisis outside of VB Apocalypse to go to those zones."
it not about the normal areas like monster island and lemuria, it about gettin into these crisis areas to have fun in them, because they not popular, they rarely being Que unless an event makes them more profitable, and they show the beginning or origin of their areas.
for you to say that show completely how narrow-minded or out of touch you are, like you don't understand, lot of your topic makes you sound like you hate people having fun or you just that weird.... or you just that exclusive of person.
this is my last reply to you, at this point you beyond saving and reasoning, i'm not going to put anymore effort in trying to save a drowning person who just wants to drown to make a point that already had been Lost.
As it stands you the only person who made more negative about this crisis being solo queuing or have a way to get in the there areas without a need of an extra person, only you really gave out a misrepresented of what everyone was saying, We say: I want options, to do this by myself, Can we at least have that? but you shewolf, like you howling No.
this is my last reply to you, at this point you beyond saving and reasoning, i'm not going to put anymore effort in trying to save a drowning person who just wants to drown to make a point that already had been Lost.
I'll take "Things comic book villains say" for 500 Alex.
From a genre point of view (i.e superhero comics, not MMOs), is there any good reason not to have "some" end game content that can be done solo? I think even Batman solos some difficult content . I guess from a dev point of view it might be easier to develop trinity-based content than to develop content that is fun and variable depending on the role of the character, but that is different from whether some soloable content is desirable.
Whenever I get bored with the limited group end game content I go and level a character up to 40 by running missions by myself, not using any XP bonuses or Grab alert spamming. Sure is nice not to have to deal with some of the grief that can happen at cosmics.
believe it or not if i recall right, you can get Gold champion from doing Qliphotic War Zone the dailies however... it once a week and it only 4 gold champs not much to write home about.
I solo the QWZ every day, just about. But 4 gcr every 5 days means needing to complete the Long War 375 times for a full set of either virtuous or distinguished gear.
From a genre point of view (i.e superhero comics, not MMOs), is there any good reason not to have "some" end game content that can be done solo? I think even Batman solos some difficult content . I guess from a dev point of view it might be easier to develop trinity-based content than to develop content that is fun and variable depending on the role of the character, but that is different from whether some soloable content is desirable.
Whenever I get bored with the limited group end game content I go and level a character up to 40 by running missions by myself, not using any XP bonuses or Grab alert spamming. Sure is nice not to have to deal with some of the grief that can happen at cosmics.
believe it or not if i recall right, you can get Gold champion from doing Qliphotic War Zone the dailies however... it once a week and it only 4 gold champs not much to write home about.
Getting back to the original topic, given that there are no real rewards for completing the Lemurian Crisis and that getting a team together for it therefore ranges from unnecessarily difficult to impossible, there is no good reason for it to not have a solo-queue option in its current state.
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Your attempt at a straw man is quite laughable here, especially since you questioned it directly. Or are you really going to claim this was not what you were getting at when you said this after your poor quote attempt?
Then you posted this ignorant tripe soon after
Again all you're trying to do is straw man at this point, but demonstrating a fundamental disconnect of what you are talking about. Here's an actual fact, you don't need to do any of the crisis outside of VB Apocalypse to go to those zones. So yes, you did indeed say that this game doesn't have that amount of soloable content, demonstrating you're just trying to straw man. Also, the point of the MMO, as pointed out, you do have the incorrect view of.
And at this point all you are doing is writing word salad to try and create a false narrative by bogging down with tripe.
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Whenever I get bored with the limited group end game content I go and level a character up to 40 by running missions by myself, not using any XP bonuses or Grab alert spamming. Sure is nice not to have to deal with some of the grief that can happen at cosmics.
The problem with endgame solo content is that it's very hard to normalize the difficulty. I mean, a boss who's a challenge for a Savage AT is probably unbeatable by 90% of characters.
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1. you make an excuse for yourself, you a grown person you know what to say and not to say right? and I hope you not trying to play the victim here...
2.Your arguments are very flawed, so no need to misrepresenting it, since they already flawed within the first sentence.
Flawed argument [A]: 'Yes, because 95% of the game being soloable, constitutes it needs more".
what are these 95%? this is very pulled number you didn't clear up on that, you only went halfway and only halfway with your statement on that, and made it worst, alerts huh? really? to me 65% solo - 35% team
even if it is 95%, I don't see a problem of them adding more because, not like this game is popular, until it becomes more popular then it is now or got a high count of people, then they could start adding teambase content, at this they could still do this just lock item that PEOPLE WANT, behind it Like a special currency,
Eg gold rec
Flawed argument : "missing the point of the MMO part of MMORPG."
again MMO regardless of being RPG or not, do not mean you need to play within a team or help out people, it doesn't always mean that. percentage or not, like even for Cosmic on was something to show for something like this, we had guides on how to fight cosmics on website but after a few years people stop posting them, for reason: unknown this did not help the cause nor it helps the newcomers fighting to come to take part of the action we had a link we never post it, we know how it works, but rarely mention it, until Someone mess up or do something wrong, Quick to call them a troll or make fun of them messing up, if not get angry at them or the fact it happens.
like mordray001 some RPG game does try to cater to people like him, in the end, it all about money, not what an MMORPG is, any MMORPG can drop any team content and go full soloness if it costing them their bank account, missing a point how video game businesses work...
Flawed Argument [C]: "So yes, you did indeed say that this game doesn't have that amount of soloable content
"
No, I didn't, I wasn't aware of that percentage, but I was NOT needed to know of that percentage, at least not on this discussion.
I said it needs "more soloable content" not "a lot more soloable content compare to this or that" nor did i or anyone say This game didn't have enough solo content ether, so that percentage wasn't called for nor was that kind reply you gave out, I was also being considerate, while you being inconsiderate.
3. spreading false info.
you not aware what goes on in this game even though you been playing since 08?
the fact you don't know this is even more of a reason to turn this into a solo queuing, don't you think?.
that your first reply BTW.
4. you keep pushing a false narrative that is false, at mordray001, ealford1985, fermi, you made a total of 9 replies on a suggestion discussion you not supporting......
5.Flawed Argument [D]: you don't need to do any of the crisis outside of VB Apocalypse to go to those zones."
it not about the normal areas like monster island and lemuria, it about gettin into these crisis areas to have fun in them, because they not popular, they rarely being Que unless an event makes them more profitable, and they show the beginning or origin of their areas.
for you to say that show completely how narrow-minded or out of touch you are, like you don't understand, lot of your topic makes you sound like you hate people having fun or you just that weird.... or you just that exclusive of person.
this is my last reply to you, at this point you beyond saving and reasoning, i'm not going to put anymore effort in trying to save a drowning person who just wants to drown to make a point that already had been Lost.
As it stands you the only person who made more negative about this crisis being solo queuing or have a way to get in the there areas without a need of an extra person, only you really gave out a misrepresented of what everyone was saying, We say: I want options, to do this by myself, Can we at least have that? but you shewolf, like you howling No.
I'll take "Things comic book villains say" for 500 Alex.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
believe it or not if i recall right, you can get Gold champion from doing Qliphotic War Zone the dailies however... it once a week and it only 4 gold champs not much to write home about.