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The "Character Size/Growth Issue" Thread.
spinnytop
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The game has growth effects that increase the size of your character. They can be used to reach sizes that we have been told are too big and cause performance issues with the game.
Let's talk about that.
Let's talk about that.
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Wait...we are talking about THAT size?
Do we have to post pictures?
I dunno you haven't made a post that wasn't based on your own personal wants and needs and thus nothing objective so far. We've yet to see the outcome.
What makes you think there would be a problem? I haven't told you to stop and I haven't edited any of your posts. Out of all the posts in this thread you zero in on the one that's a joke and already start acting the victim when it wasn't even directed at you in any way.
I'm curious to see in which way you're going to approach this objectively.
Just curious. Want to make sure we are both in the same page.
I dunno, man.
I didn't realize that a conservative summation of the known facts was so un-objective. Is it the part where I say "let's talk about that"? I know Good Mythical Morning isn't everyone's favorite show but I didn't think it'd have any bearing here.
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The topic title, before or after the edit, was not making reference to those items at all. Just talk about size in general and what could be changed/improved. Please stop making this about yourself.
There have been changes made to size-altering items and effects before, in this universe, that had nothing to do with you. Or are you going to claim that those were about you too? Fixing size exploits is a thing the developers in this game have always done.
What's against the rules is posting how exploits work. If I say "someone is exploiting growth stuff and getting too big" it's not posting how to perform the exploit so it's not against any rules. So we can talk about the issue, any problems it might cause, or whatever. If you do know of an exploit that you want to see fixed, like we've told you time and again, send those directly to developers.
It damn well should be!
K, let's talk about the actual point of contention. You go first
There is diversity though. It's called the Height and Leg Slider, and to a lesser degree the body mass slider. Then on top you can get Enrage w/Giant Growth, and perma rank it to 3.
Diversity between people who use Super Magnifier does not exist because they are all aiming for the same: maximum size. So they all set Height Slider to max, Leg Slider to max, get Enrage w/Giant Growth and rank it to 3, and then pop a Super Magnifier.
If you were to give players the option of an Ultra Magnifier, all people who like being giant would get it and there wouldn't be diversity among them again, so you would then need an Ultra Super Duper Hyper Mega Deluxe Sexy Sexy Magnifier till the same happened and so on and so forth.
Want diversity? Talk with @magusleo. He managed to creatively manipulate the leg, body mass and height sliders and using costumes to conceal the assimetries to make a giant fat toons.
The diversity is there and you have the tools to be different, you are just choosing to be stereotypical. Be more creative.
Yes, they were.
However as it has been pointed to you multiple times in different social medias, they were doing it privately without attracting attention or provoking.
Your problem is with the fact that I didn't say "George Jefferson eats peanut butter naked on top of the Space Needle at 3 am"? Well too bad, I'll never say that.
Everyday I see tons of not-giant-sized characters. In fact, they dominate the landscape. The vast majority of the characters I see in game are not using a Super Magnifier, and in fact many of them don't even have the size settings in the tailor maxed out. Many are downright tiny. This claim by you that there are so many super giant characters that it's somehow an issue of diversity is simply false.
If you want to see more diversity, try looking down. Personally what I read is "Diversity means I'm bigger than everyone else", but you'll never get that. Whatever methods there are, everyone will be able to use them, so there always be some upper limit. You know what that means? It means that by being size-obsessed you are guaranteeing that there will be other people your height, because other people who just wanna be as big as possible will reach that same exact height.
If you want to help promote diversity, you'll actually have to take that height slider and move it away from the maximum setting, because when it comes to "big dudes", the maximum height slider setting is the most common.
Fine, then they should add an item that allows you to be just a bit bigger that costs something like 500 GCR and 500 SCR. That will ensure it takes real effort to reach. All the things you did don't take real effort.
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I think build choices should be taken completely out of it, especially the ones where you have to keep repeatedly doing something to keep your size up. That entire aspect of it is just plain silly. Enrage sure whatever, I'm fine with enrage. Enrage and the Magnifier should be the only two options to increase size. Between those two you already have 8 potential passive size differences. For me that's enough. That's plenty of "size diversity" right there, with no stupid hoops to jump through.
I'd actually be fine with the GCR/SCR item I suggested too. Have it increase your size by another 5%, and have it also give you a passive 50% knock resistance as well so it's not just a vanity item. At that point we've now increased the number of size variations to 16.
A further note on Enrage, I think they should make the size change stop increasing after the 3rd enrage stack and just fold all the size increase into those first 3 stacks. That way we completely get rid of the concept of people fiddling about with themselves to make their size change while standing around doing nothing, and characters who just want to use the size increase of Enrage but don't want to grow larger during combat ( i.e. I'm a shower not a grower ) can have that.
Personally I never saw the appeal of looking like you're punching 10 feet over your opponent's head in combat.
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This is a picture of my game frozen when teleporting back to Renaissance Center. My game doesn't often (or really, ever) do this.
I hadn't seen that character with the big tails covered in an ice aura before but sure enough, when I got back in...
The point I'm trying to make is that you say with absolute certainty that the stuff you do has zero negative effects. Can you be sure that your character didn't do this?
Like I said, it's purely anecdotal, and could be complete coincidence that you're in that picture. It doesn't even look like you're using anything to make yourself excessively big. But like I've said before, you don't know the kind of adverse effects these things might have, but you talk like you do.
It's just something for you to think about. If you want to stop responding to me, no sweat, but you seem to have a thin skin when you're making such firm statements.
^ The point where I finally showed how immature I am by audibly laughing. This whole discussion is slaying me, tbh.
That being said, two of spinny's suggestions sound very good: 3 stack cap on growth from Enrage, and ~5% device with some decent utility (KB resist sounds spot on). I don't play big characters, largely because the devices deactivate for combat and the Enrage mechanic isn't worth the trouble to me. Permanent ways of making select characters bigger than normal would be a plus for me.
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Not a blame, a fact. Also growth people were being asses and ruining cosmics in the initial runs when they first came out due to shoving with increased hitboxes. It's why no one uses growth at cosmics, so there's 1 way it negatively affects others.
I'm not saying growth can't be a thing, but to the levels it was at, shouldn't be. It clearly caused issues in performance for some, content for others, and even caused issues at player-run events by trolls.
42 40s, LTSer.
Didn't I JUST say #3. I mean, I'm pretty sure I did. Oh, and for some they do lag them, auras can cause lag on large entities, wonder why they took away power effect scaling/intensity
42 40s, LTSer.
Hmm...probably because they don't really care about this issue/know it can't be changed or has some legitimacy? But hey, go for it
42 40s, LTSer.
Considering the fairly neutral opening of the thread I'd have to say it's a bit of a stretch to call it baiting. Someone wanted to discuss this, it was no longer appropriate in the other thread and we were told to start a new thread for it if it was to be discussed further. I did so. If you actually read through the thread you'll see that the parts the OP were involved in were actually productive.
If anything it seems like your comment is trying to bait some sort of argument about whether the thread should exist or not. To that I say if you don't like the conversation move on, don't participate.
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you're supposed to be working on Britannia's before/after stuff
*ultra nag aura*
shoo!!
and as for this maaaaybe bait-y thread...
you're free to use that (no matter what it is) in any way, shape or form you like
buuuuut all actions have consequences
if enough ppl ask you to stop something for any reason and you don't
it will eventually get reported
if enough ppl report it and no matter whether it was trivial or not
it will get looked into
and consequently a decision will be made
regardless of how you feel, after that you just have to abide by that decision
again it does not matter what it was or if you feel remorse or victimized or whatever else
because no one posting here thus far, makes the rules of this game
and it certainly helps no one if your response is to passive aggressively play the victim card
while at the same time ignoring how certain mechanics work specifically for an mmo despite ppl trying to point it out
for example: just like everyone doesn't have the same ping-rate, everyone is not equally (un)affected by gfx stuff
let it go, calm down, come back to this when you can do so in a far more reasonable manner than what has been done so far
Dammit, you're worse than Ratty!
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That was on purpose, because there's more to the issue than just the changes and it makes sense to discuss the entire issue since the entire issue is related to why the changes were made. Fact is, if the OP had been more specific it wouldn't have changed the resulting conversation since those issues would have been brought up anyway.
It presents the facts as we know them. Facts that you still need to accept if you want clarity on this issue.
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Your proposed title of "did the size effect changes go too far" would have absolutely been a baiting title. Also the idea of changes "going too far" is entirely subjective. I avoided that sort of thing on purpose.
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