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  • catstarstocatstarsto Posts: 1,129 Arc User

    Jokes come with at least 5 cat gifs

    Sources that mention the bible come with at least 5 people whining to a moderator to ban me, so with limits on what i can share I just have to be at the mercy of the scoffers sometimes, but never forget to show them patience and love especially when they dont know how. People worth sharing more meaningful information with would ask me to explain further, the ones who mock wouldnt listen anyways so it wouldnt be worth the effort.


    Courage is doing what is right even when it isn't popular or safe. Honor is retaining the dignity and virtue in one's self, so it can light the way for others in the darkest of times. Compassion is showing patience and mercy towards others, even when it isn't returned or deserved. A hero is defined by these 3 words, they set him apart from others as a beacon of hope and excellence.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 4,916 Arc User
    spinnytop said:

    You've been participating in globalism your entire life. You were born into a globalist world, every single one of us was.

    That's always been true though. The fundamental nature of mankind hasn't changed in the last 10 millennia.
    spinnytop said:

    If it was that easy war wouldn't be a thing... :/ sadly, people suck too much for that.

    Yeah, some people's definition of "us" is just too small.
    Realistically, people aren't going to do something that they feel is a bad deal for them personally.

    Sure, it sounds good when people say that working together for the grater good will make life better for the human race as a whole. But, realistically, far too often that line of reasoning is used to justify telling people to "make sacrifices for the greater good". Sacrifices that don't get reciprocated. Thus leading to the question of whether the people coordinating this had anyone but their own interests in mind. And THAT is the main fear related to "globalization". That organizations will use it as a vehicle to enrich themselves at the expense of the world as a whole.
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  • bulgarexbulgarex Posts: 2,310 Arc User
    edited April 2018

    spinnytop said:

    You've been participating in globalism your entire life. You were born into a globalist world, every single one of us was.

    That's always been true though. The fundamental nature of mankind hasn't changed in the last 10 millennia.
    While your second statement may be essentially true, I have to respectfully disagree with your first one. Even a few generations ago, it was possible for a significant fraction of the human population to live in relative isolation, shutting out people, products, even ideas from the rest of the world. Today that's no longer possible. Communication is instantaneous around the globe. People from anywhere can travel anywhere else within a single day. All our economies are interconnected. Sharing our resources is essential to maintaining our quality of life. Environmental impacts from one of us affect us all. Major events on one side of the planet resonate everywhere immediately, at least emotionally and often practically. Our awareness of being part of a collective has never before been so high in human history, on a planet that has never before seemed so small.
  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,318 Arc User
    Cat, the problem is, Biblical citations that ignore actual facts (such as you are alluding to with your false claim that India has abandoned currency in favor of an RFID "brand in the right hand") are always going to buy you mockery at best, and moderation at worst. Invention of your own "facts", which are not in evidence in consensual reality, violates both the terms of honest conversation and the tenets taught by the very Book you tacitly reference.
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Posts: 1,129 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    bulgarex said:

    spinnytop said:

    You've been participating in globalism your entire life. You were born into a globalist world, every single one of us was.

    That's always been true though. The fundamental nature of mankind hasn't changed in the last 10 millennia.
    While your second statement may be essentially true, I have to respectfully disagree with your first one. Even a few generations ago, it was possible for a significant fraction of the human population to live in relative isolation, shutting out people, products, even ideas from the rest of the world. Today that's no longer possible. Communication is instantaneous around the globe. People from anywhere can travel anywhere else within a single day. All our economies are interconnected. Sharing our resources is essential to maintaining our quality of life. Environmental impacts from one of us affect us all. Major events on one side of the planet resonate everywhere immediately, at least emotionally and often practically. Our awareness of being part of a collective has never before been so high in human history.
    But how far would you impose this? People like the Amish who choose to not live in modern means, or some of the protected tribes in other countrys they had chosen to leave out of modern society because they arent tainted by progress as of yet. What would be wrong with living an honest life outside of technology? I myself like to pay cash when i buy something; to grow and raise my own food and herbs. Those of you here who may have canned food in the past understand where Im coming from.



    What right does the big business, world leaders and modern society have to tell another person how, where and why to live? I have no tattoos or piercings, I have never written or carved anything into my flesh. No doctor has ever installed devices, pins or plates in my body. I am still 100 percent me, and I enjoy taking care of my temple and keeping it healthy. But If I loose the right to think for myself, provide for myself, and even the right to choose what happens to my own body, what is really my status on this planet now?

    Courage is doing what is right even when it isn't popular or safe. Honor is retaining the dignity and virtue in one's self, so it can light the way for others in the darkest of times. Compassion is showing patience and mercy towards others, even when it isn't returned or deserved. A hero is defined by these 3 words, they set him apart from others as a beacon of hope and excellence.
  • bulgarexbulgarex Posts: 2,310 Arc User
    No one has said anything about "imposing." No one imposes a rising tide on anyone else -- it's simply a process that happens inevitably. When it comes you can try to move to higher ground, but past a certain point you run out. Or you can try to build a boat, or a dam. Or you can stand still and drown.

    BTW the Amish don't completely avoid modern civilization. They pay state and federal income and property taxes. They utilize limited electricity such as battery-powered lights, guns for hunting, and tractors (without rubber tires). They seek modern medical care when necessary. Their diet includes some mixes and instant foods. They've even been known to vote in local elections, particularly over issues such as zoning which affect them directly; although that tends to be the exception rather than the rule.
  • catstarstocatstarsto Posts: 1,129 Arc User
    bulgarex said:

    No one has said anything about "imposing." No one imposes a rising tide on anyone else -- it's simply a process that happens inevitably. When it comes you can try to move to higher ground, but past a certain point you run out. Or you can try to build a boat, or a dam. Or you can stand still and drown.

    BTW the Amish don't completely avoid modern civilization. They pay state and federal income and property taxes. They utilize limited electricity such as battery-powered lights, guns for hunting, and tractors (without rubber tires). They seek modern medical care when necessary. Their diet includes some mixes and instant foods. They've even been known to vote in local elections, particularly over issues such as zoning which affect them directly; although that tends to be the exception rather than the rule.

    The point of tagging everyone is to have absolute control over where they are and what they are doing at all times. Paranoia and greed of the top class, this is why they flood us lesser beings with clannish divisions, stupid things that keep us at odds with one another, its not a theory, you can see how quickly people flock to intercept a different point of view. You have to ask yourself, do you really like your freedom to choose, or do you like others to manage you and make choices for you?

    Amish, even though becoming more scarce due to these mandatory requirements, stick with traditions of man and nature as one, but Mennonite do use electricity and modern technology on their farms. If a cashless system is forced upon society, the innocents of living free from societies restraints will be gone...people dont rush to the city to clear their minds and get away from it all, they go to the woods/campgrounds where our technological burdens are left behind! Dont let these paranoid propaganda ads for modern convenience fool you, nor their conspiracy's about collectivism is your savior, they say that when ever they want to play on your fears to get you to cooperate. If that doesn't work, direct force and intimidation come next. Someone asked if china was the model, no, its an example of a collective society.

    Courage is doing what is right even when it isn't popular or safe. Honor is retaining the dignity and virtue in one's self, so it can light the way for others in the darkest of times. Compassion is showing patience and mercy towards others, even when it isn't returned or deserved. A hero is defined by these 3 words, they set him apart from others as a beacon of hope and excellence.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited April 2018

    That's always been true though. The fundamental nature of mankind hasn't changed in the last 10 millennia.

    However the ability of humans to interact in an intercontinental manner has drastically changed recently. 10,000 years ago I probably wouldn't even know that China existed, now I can talk to someone from there and get a package from there in 2 days. Even in the past 100 years the fundamental nature of how we interact with the entire world has changed greatly. In a way the nature of humans has changed. 10k years ago we were a species who knew only what was in front of us. In the modern day we are aware of things happening thousands of miles away. I find it hard to believe that doesn't change a person.

    What right does the big business, world leaders and modern society have to tell another person how, where and why to live?

    What's interesting is that world leaders aka government protects you from big business when it tries to do that to you. When you look at the things that are happening in the world you should be glad that there are people out there who take it upon themselves to tell others that their way of life isn't okay. Some people's way of life implies breaking into your house, killing you, and taking all your stuff. When you opt out of their authority, you also opt out of their protection and their utilities.

    "modern society" is too vague a term to use in actual conversation btw. You'll need to be more specific to have any real dialogue.

    But If I loose the right to think for myself, provide for myself, and even the right to choose what happens to my own body, what is really my status on this planet now?

    These are just what ifs you're talking about, so what do you really expect people to say? What if the ultimate outcome of globalism is that it makes everyone completely self sufficient and more free to express themselves as a result, brings about total world peace, and completely wipes out all disease? What if globalism doesn't have a major effect on the world and instead just makes things a bit more efficient and organized? What if globalism draws the attention of aliens who were just waiting for us to get our act together?

    What ifs are fun to think about, but you shouldn't let them dictate the way you see the world. While you're worried about the what ifs, the what is' might pass you by.
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Posts: 1,129 Arc User
    spinnytop said:

    That's always been true though. The fundamental nature of mankind hasn't changed in the last 10 millennia.

    However the ability of humans to interact in an intercontinental manner has drastically changed recently. 10,000 years ago I probably wouldn't even know that China existed, now I can talk to someone from there and get a package from there in 2 days. Even in the past 100 years the fundamental nature of how we interact with the entire world has changed greatly. In a way the nature of humans has changed. 10k years ago we were a species who knew only what was in front of us. In the modern day we are aware of things happening thousands of miles away. I find it hard to believe that doesn't change a person.

    What right does the big business, world leaders and modern society have to tell another person how, where and why to live?

    What's interesting is that world leaders aka government protects you from big business when it tries to do that to you. When you look at the things that are happening in the world you should be glad that there are people out there who take it upon themselves to tell others that their way of life isn't okay. Some people's way of life implies breaking into your house, killing you, and taking all your stuff. When you opt out of their authority, you also opt out of their protection and their utilities.

    "modern society" is too vague a term to use in actual conversation btw. You'll need to be more specific to have any real dialogue.

    But If I loose the right to think for myself, provide for myself, and even the right to choose what happens to my own body, what is really my status on this planet now?

    These are just what ifs you're talking about, so what do you really expect people to say? What if the ultimate outcome of globalism is that it makes everyone completely self sufficient and more free to express themselves as a result, brings about total world peace, and completely wipes out all disease? What if globalism doesn't have a major effect on the world and instead just makes things a bit more efficient and organized? What if globalism draws the attention of aliens who were just waiting for us to get our act together?

    What ifs are fun to think about, but you shouldn't let them dictate the way you see the world. While you're worried about the what ifs, the what is' might pass you by.
    What ifs are what are coming from your argument as well, I cant help but tilt my head in confusion when you keep believing the very ones who have lied to you for so many years every time they try and sell you their next idea because their last ones keep failing, you have a lot of faith in greedy deceptive people, and most in this world are so starved for a savior they will believe every snake oil salesmen that promises peace and security....its easier to believe a lie then it is the truth!

    If you want peace, remove characteristics in your attitude that would break the peace, for where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, gentle, accommodating, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial, and sincere. How cold hearted are people these days? ...I spoke up once before that i greet people with a hug, and often a kiss...some of you acted like it was creepy because a friendly manner has been lost in todays western culture, even if you travel to other countrys where this form of manners is still practiced, and you refuse the polite gesture you will be seen as rude or adversarial. All because you where too cool, too tough, too cold hearted or even tainted by the shallow sexuality entertainment force feeds you to tell the difference between natural human compassion, and lustful advances.

    If you want security, dont leave your fate and decisions in the hands of others!

    If you want natural food and clean water, stop eating stuff from the store and grow it yourself and try out well water, no chemicals in it, the ground filters it out, like the fishtank garden!

    If you want a clean environment, dont treat it like your personal dumping ground!

    If you want to kick diseases and live a healthy lifestyle, quit taking drugs, and putting chemicals and preservatives in your body! leave tobacco alone, if you drink alcohol know your limit...which is before there is a buzz!! Of coarse they legalized drugs...if you're too numb to think your easier to manage. Animals that need to be handled by vets are pacified to prevent resistance or them fighting back. If you are too sick because of substance abuse from eating too much preservatives, sugar and just over eating...then you have to be cared for because you ruined your body. You become dependent on someone else to take care of you! Eat what you need for your days activities! No more, no less! Anything else is gluttony and will only hurt you and make you ill in the long run.

    Greed....take only what you need, once you and your family are fed, clothed and sheltered, perhaps then you can choose to give to those who need, but on your own where it counts. Love for your fellow man begins in your heart not in a comity of people trying to figure out a budget on paper. Communities used to come together on their own to help their neighbors, they didnt need to hire someone to do it, because we as a people (humans) looked after each other and knew one another.


    Courage is doing what is right even when it isn't popular or safe. Honor is retaining the dignity and virtue in one's self, so it can light the way for others in the darkest of times. Compassion is showing patience and mercy towards others, even when it isn't returned or deserved. A hero is defined by these 3 words, they set him apart from others as a beacon of hope and excellence.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User

    What ifs are what are coming from your argument as well, I cant help but tilt my head in confusion when you keep believing the very ones who have lied to you for so many years every time they try and sell you their next idea because their last ones keep failing, you have a lot of faith in greedy deceptive people, and most in this world are so starved for a savior they will believe every snake oil salesmen that promises peace and security....its easier to believe a lie then it is the truth!

    I'm actually talking in terms of "what is". Globalism has been working for quite a while. It's not hard to sell me on something that has been providing continuing benefits.

    If you want peace, remove characteristics in your attitude that would break the peace, for where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, gentle, accommodating, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial, and sincere. How cold hearted are people these days? ...I spoke up once before that i greet people with a hug, and often a kiss...some of you acted like it was creepy because a friendly manner has been lost in todays western culture, even if you travel to other countrys where this form of manners is still practiced, and you refuse the polite gesture you will be seen as rude or adversarial. All because you where too cool, too tough, too cold hearted or even tainted by the shallow sexuality entertainment force feeds you to tell the difference between natural human compassion, and lustful advances.

    So here you're trying to mix being some sort of moral authority with displaying a victim complex. Not a good combination if you ask me. Also remember when we talked in game and I said you had a tendency to start talking like everyone is full of hate and stuff whenever people disagree with you? You're doing it again.

    If you want security, dont leave your fate and decisions in the hands of others!

    A police force is much more efficient and beneficial than expecting everyone to maintain a private military force.

    If you want natural food and clean water, stop eating stuff from the store and grow it yourself and try out well water, no chemicals in it, the ground filters it out, like the fishtank garden!

    Without government regulations, there would be all sorts of chemicals in your well water. Also I bet my garden is bigger than yours. Unfortunately I don't live in a climate where I can grow all the things I want to eat. It's also less efficient if we all have to become farmers because then we have to spend a significant portion of our time tending to our own crops and would also be extremely vulnerable to environmental conditions that spoil said crops.

    If you want a clean environment, dont treat it like your personal dumping ground!

    I'm much more concerned with industry treating the environment as their personal dumping ground. Fortunately we have government regulations in place to prevent that. However, pollution from other countries still effects us, hence the need for a global governing body to regulate polkution.

    If you want to kick diseases and live a healthy lifestyle, quit taking drugs, and putting chemicals and preservatives in your body! leave tobacco alone, if you drink alcohol know your limit...which is before there is a buzz!! Of coarse they legalized drugs...if you're too numb to think your easier to manage. Animals that need to be handled by vets are pacified to prevent resistance or them fighting back. If you are too sick because of substance abuse from eating too much preservatives, sugar and just over eating...then you have to be cared for because you ruined your body. You become dependent on someone else to take care of you! Eat what you need for your days activities! No more, no less! Anything else is gluttony and will only hurt you and make you ill in the long run.

    People who live healthy lifestyles get sick too. That's just a fact. Cancer doesn't care about your healthy diet.

    Greed....take only what you need, once you and your family are fed, clothed and sheltered, perhaps then you can choose to give to those who need, but on your own where it counts. Love for your fellow man begins in your heart not in a comity of people trying to figure out a budget on paper.

    Take from where? Also I don't take, I buy the things I need. Not even sure what you're advocating here.

    Communities used to come together on their own to help their neighbors, they didnt need to hire someone to do it, because we as a people (humans) looked after each other and knew one another.

    The fantasy of voluntary charity solving all of our problems is just that, a fantasy. You're essentially rolling the dice on whether someone can help. Nobody nearby able or willing to help? You're done. On the other hand, coordinated compulsory taxation not only spreads the burden among many people, which drastically decreases the burden on an individual way below what charity would require, but it's also more effective because it has much further reach than individuals or small institutions and can ensure that people can get the aid they need no matter where they are.

    There's also the issue that if your community doesn't particularly like you, maybe because they have some sort of bias against you, then it's unlikely that they'll be "coming together" to help you. Your ideas are sweet and lovely and completely and utterly naive. You're the one dreaming of some sort of "everybody loves each other" utopia.
  • catstarstocatstarsto Posts: 1,129 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    spinnytop said:


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    1) Globalism is a collective, the idea being everyone is doing the same thing, there would be no countrys or individual freedoms, you are looking at it from a perspective of global business and the joke called united nations. But each country has its own rules, laws and customs, you should really look closer at what they are trying to accomplish and what they already have. O.o

    2) Dread the thought of morals in this day and age, being the foundation of a society...yes our discussion on the matter was you trying to tell me that no one hated me, yet that time you invited me to TA, one of the guys that i "misjudged" scolded you for adding me to the team and left. lol

    Dont defend them with a fake scenario, they feel the way they feel. Your taking their right to feel how they wish or be around who they choose to accommodate your vision of how things should happen...ether that or you where hoping for tension, IDK.

    3) How did you come up with that out of what i said??

    4) Government regulations where not there when America was growing, people where self sufficient and accomplished much because they put the hard work into it, and didnt put in a minimal amount of work and expect their farm/ranch to turn out like the guy who put his whole life into his livelihood. Im happy for you that you have a big garden, but I didnt know this was a competition? I grow for my needs, not for bragging rights. I get the feeling the reason you always react so defensive and take what i say out of context is, you are offended by me for some reason. I cant picture why, you seem to be on top of your world in all things. Why does my point of view and logic set you off so much??

    5) No, you can look at camping grounds and city streets and the rubbish on the streets and lawns might have been produced by industry but it was placed there by the consumer! Im not excusing industry for their part in it, but people have to own up to their part in it too...once in a while you have to stop pointing the finger and just do what is right.

    6) I think you would argue for the sake of disagreeing with me no matter what. lol, you keep saying im acting crazy, but you keep getting the need to counter everything i say, with points taken out of context. As if its a principle to try and tell me im wrong. You just keep forgetting something very important about me, I dont care if you believe me or not, its not my goal in life to convince you of anything. You cant enhance your position by ridiculing another, if you spend all of your time trying to tear down an opposing position, you will have wasted all of that time and made yourself look like an aggressor.

    7) To explain the greedy nature people have, would require me to bring up vanity and morals from he bible, so ask me in a PM. Or look up food eating competitions, people who destroy food as a sport or for fun, who try to buy everything they can in a world that loves a fat consumer ( and i dont just mean eating) Someone i game with in STO is always bragging to me how he has all of the ships and goodies from the game store, that he pre-ordered for the upcoming expansion package....and yet, he tells me about how people are starving in other countrys... >.>

    My thoughts are, why brag about your vanity lifestyle then complain people are starving? "Then help them if you have extra! sheesh"

    8) Again, you are rolling the dice for the globalism fantasy you are plugging, only if it fails there will be no place to escape too, you cant go to another country because the whole world will be assimilated by then! Everywhere will have the same government, laws, rules, etc. The same arguments you make against mine can be made for your choice, except there will be no retreat!


    While you picture what they show you


    I picture what history taught me about collectivism!


    Courage is doing what is right even when it isn't popular or safe. Honor is retaining the dignity and virtue in one's self, so it can light the way for others in the darkest of times. Compassion is showing patience and mercy towards others, even when it isn't returned or deserved. A hero is defined by these 3 words, they set him apart from others as a beacon of hope and excellence.
  • themightyzeniththemightyzenith Posts: 4,599 Arc User
    edited April 2018

    Globalism is a collective

    No, that's called collectivism. Learn more, then post. Or don't, and continue to post based on ignorance of the actual subject. My money's on the latter.


    TLDR: Up yer game, dude.

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  • ealford1985ealford1985 Posts: 3,582 Arc User

    Jokes come with at least 5 cat gifs

    Sources that mention the bible come with at least 5 people whining to a moderator to ban me, so with limits on what i can share I just have to be at the mercy of the scoffers sometimes, but never forget to show them patience and love especially when they dont know how. People worth sharing more meaningful information with would ask me to explain further, the ones who mock wouldnt listen anyways so it wouldnt be worth the effort.


  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,000 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    > @catstarsto said:
    > 1) Globalism is a collective, the idea being everyone is doing the same thing, there would be no countrys or individual freedoms, you are looking at it from a perspective of global business and the joke called united nations. But each country has its own rules, laws and customs, you should really look closer at what they are trying to accomplish and what they already have. O.o

    Globalism isn't a collective. It's certainly not collectivism, because no single culture or government gets to be an authority over those from the world's countries. You're confusing some term to do a global world order ruling over everyone with globalism. It's about opening up borders to trade, involving movement of resources between countries including human resource through foreign trade agreements, building diplomatic relations, so that individual countries benefit economically. Those individual countries retain their national identity and cultures while still participating in a global market.

    And if you think it's such a horrid, horrid thing, guess what, the alternative is far worst. Isolationism has never worked out well for any civilization, be it in the past or right now. History has proven it. Trying to be economically independent exclusive to one's country and wanting nothing to with the rest of the world has never worked out well. Countries in the past who have been isolationist end up opening their borders to participate in trade and diplomatic treaties with other countries and became better for it, and they didn't become ****holes like the modern isolationist failed states we have today.
  • catstarstocatstarsto Posts: 1,129 Arc User

    Globalism is a collective

    No, that's called collectivism. Learn more, then post. Or don't, and continue to post based on ignorance of the actual subject. My money's on the latter.


    TLDR: Up yer game, dude.

    Look closer at the fine print of what the UN voted on, Agenda 21. But if reading too long of details turns you off, how can you expect to keep up with whats going on when they manage your life? Its not hidden, its published everyday by the people working on it.

    Like I said, you guys put too much blind* faith in others...

    Courage is doing what is right even when it isn't popular or safe. Honor is retaining the dignity and virtue in one's self, so it can light the way for others in the darkest of times. Compassion is showing patience and mercy towards others, even when it isn't returned or deserved. A hero is defined by these 3 words, they set him apart from others as a beacon of hope and excellence.
  • themightyzeniththemightyzenith Posts: 4,599 Arc User
    edited April 2018

    you guys put too much blind faith in....


    lol.... the irony is too much.


    In reality, the Rio Declaration is an entirely nonbinding and voluntary agreement which 178 countries entered into at the Rio Earth Summit almost a quarter of a century ago.

    Its aim was to promote a vision of sustainable development by combatting poverty, disease and overpopulation; fostering conservation, atmospheric protection, pollution controls and biodiversity; and by establishing a greater role in all of this for non-state actors like women’s groups, young people, NGOs and business.

    It also promoted local participation – many cities and local authorities around the world have signed up to ICLEI – also known as Local Governments for Sustainability – which encourages their participation in implementing Agenda 21 initiatives.

    It’s not a treaty, does not override national sovereignty and does not allow the UN to dictate what governments do. It has no legal force and is not intended to be implemented in a top-down way.

    Far from promoting international governance, it calls for greater local government involvement in sustainable agricultural and urban development.


    But don't let the facts get in the way of your conspiracy theories, dude.
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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,000 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    So what is that you want us to do Cat? Have everyone come together and overthrow their own governments? Shall we give in to conspiracy theories and paranoia, while we destabilize our own countries and jeopardize our own livelihoods?

    You seem pretty adamant about this, so I invite you to completely disconnect yourself from modern society and go live somewhere remote. No access to the Internet or technology. Learn to live off the land on the mountains somewhere. Antartica remains unclaimed to this day, want to give it a go?

    Put your money where your mouth is. Show us, people who you refer to as having "blind faith", what a great success story you are at being anti-establishment. Show us sheep the way. Heck, if you really want to impress people, try starting up a micro-nation that is completely survivable on its own without communication with the outside world. Let's see how long it lasts.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    Cat I like you. But these tirades make me think you're a lost cause. You preach love while angrily thrashing at everything that doesn't fit what you want to believe. You're exactly what they want you to be.
  • beezeezebeezeeze Posts: 927 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    To think 3 sentences caused this. I still sand by what typed tho. We can come together. We must.

  • catstarstocatstarsto Posts: 1,129 Arc User
    My faith isnt blind, nor is it in men. It is your life, dont forget that. If you wish to give all of your rights to someone else so they can get rich go right ahead. As it stands, I can live on or off the grid and it would only change my access to the net. Given the homestead act, I can also live off of my land without taxes since ive already checked into this for when my money no longer works. Its because of my faith in something solid I prepared for this, and was shown how...in the mean time I will come online to game, posts sketches and write.

    But, enough of being serious; time to get back to having fun. Im not getting through any how. lol


    Courage is doing what is right even when it isn't popular or safe. Honor is retaining the dignity and virtue in one's self, so it can light the way for others in the darkest of times. Compassion is showing patience and mercy towards others, even when it isn't returned or deserved. A hero is defined by these 3 words, they set him apart from others as a beacon of hope and excellence.
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  • ealford1985ealford1985 Posts: 3,582 Arc User
    Alright everyone! Time to cut off our balls and follow the comet of truth!
  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,000 Arc User
    "I can live off the grid if I want to."

    "I'm going to resume making cat art and post them on the internet anyway. Oh I'm still going to play online video games."

    Yeah. Talk is cheap.
  • catstarstocatstarsto Posts: 1,129 Arc User

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    Yeah. Talk is cheap.

    So are your shots! ^^


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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,318 Arc User
    Cat, I tried being circumspect before. Apparently it didn't work.

    It's not mention of the Bible that causes you problems - it's when your interpretation of Scripture somehow also lets you lie about various matters, because they make you afraid.

    Your lies about Indian currency, for instance - because of a mention in the Revelation of St. John the Divine, a book not even universally accepted by Biblical scholars and included only at the insistence of the Council of Rome in 382 (its canonicity is still debated by several Protestant sects, and has been outright rejected by Eastern Orthodoxy), you must seek out someone trying to be this Antichrist (which in the Epistles of Paul isn't a title, just a descriptor of anyone who stands opposed to Christ). In so doing, you accept without question someone's made-up tale of India abandoning currency, coupled with a photo of a body-modifier implanting a chip into his own hand as an art project, coupled with a muddled version of the tale of a high-tech company that has offered to let its employees use an implanted chip with their vending machines (which also take cash and cards - few have taken them up on the offer).

    Then another lie, this time about some supposed "legislation" before the UN (which is most distinctly not a governing body - just ask all those European activists who wanted Dubya tried for "war crimes"), which isn't even about what you say it is.

    "Globalism" is not "collectivism", any more than "federalism" is "fascism". Kindly learn what the terms mean, or pay attention to those trying to educate you on those topics. The Bible is a source of spiritual information, not an encyclopedia.

    You're not making people of faith look good with this careless disregard for facts, friend. And your arrogant dismissal of any criticism, on any basis whatsoever, isn't really in keeping with the teachings of the Gospels, either.
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Posts: 1,129 Arc User
    jonsills said:

    Cat, I tried being circumspect before.

    "No re'circum'spect...I tell you!"



    I'll PM you what I couldnt show openly

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  • themightyzeniththemightyzenith Posts: 4,599 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    jonsills said:

    Cat, I tried being circumspect before. Apparently it didn't work.

    It's not mention of the Bible that causes you problems - it's when your interpretation of Scripture somehow also lets you lie about various matters, because they make you afraid.

    Your lies about Indian currency, for instance - because of a mention in the Revelation of St. John the Divine, a book not even universally accepted by Biblical scholars and included only at the insistence of the Council of Rome in 382 (its canonicity is still debated by several Protestant sects, and has been outright rejected by Eastern Orthodoxy), you must seek out someone trying to be this Antichrist (which in the Epistles of Paul isn't a title, just a descriptor of anyone who stands opposed to Christ). In so doing, you accept without question someone's made-up tale of India abandoning currency, coupled with a photo of a body-modifier implanting a chip into his own hand as an art project, coupled with a muddled version of the tale of a high-tech company that has offered to let its employees use an implanted chip with their vending machines (which also take cash and cards - few have taken them up on the offer).

    Then another lie, this time about some supposed "legislation" before the UN (which is most distinctly not a governing body - just ask all those European activists who wanted Dubya tried for "war crimes"), which isn't even about what you say it is.

    "Globalism" is not "collectivism", any more than "federalism" is "fascism". Kindly learn what the terms mean, or pay attention to those trying to educate you on those topics. The Bible is a source of spiritual information, not an encyclopedia.

    You're not making people of faith look good with this careless disregard for facts, friend. And your arrogant dismissal of any criticism, on any basis whatsoever, isn't really in keeping with the teachings of the Gospels, either.


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    Zenith: Nailed what? Ive not seen anything come from you to prove that you "ever" knew what was going on, you have a chip on your shoulder over me so you just probe for ways to insult me, that doesnt exactly give you a good standing ether, but i dont imagine that matters to you since trying to be ethical and moral is my test, obviously not yours...but silencing me is your focus so, on to answer the next guy...

    Jon: Trying to accommodate each probe for weakness and scoff that that comes my way does wear one out, and i make mistakes when piled on yes. And Its not arrogance, its faith not in myself but the one who provides for me. Im not lying, I wouldnt mention it if it wasnt announced.

    Here goes...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIhiyVTDUmc&t=1s
    ^Indian video, it took some time to find again.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

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  • catstarstocatstarsto Posts: 1,129 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    spinnytop said:

    Cat I like you. But these tirades make me think you're a lost cause. You preach love while angrily thrashing at everything that doesn't fit what you want to believe. You're exactly what they want you to be.

    I missed your comment, getting agitated with people and hating them is a huge difference. Ive had disagreements with friends and loved ones before, we all have, doesnt mean we love them any less, it just means sometimes people can get under your skin and wear you out. I have begun to feel the forums are a lost cause all together, Im debating if I should finish the book im working on first and leave progress behind or just go ahead and do it now and forget trying to be a writer.

    The forums are like high school, socially you struggle to keep your head above water so you dont drowned in the sea of confusion, and while others are also struggling to get their air, they claw at you trying to get to the surface. Sometimes they dont mean it, its an instinctual reaction for survival. I speak metaphorically

    But in every crowd there will always be one or two guys who just want you to be as miserable as they are, and sometimes they get their way. >.> If i where perfect I imagine I would always have the right things to say in my defense, but since im not i have to choose if i should speak up in my defense when b-rated or just let them gloat over backhanding me. i suppose no matter how I answer or what i say on here, I will never really be accepted due to the level of diversity in our beliefs. But I still tried, what ever that is worth these days...



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  • itsbrou#5396 itsbrou Posts: 1,778 Arc User
    Yeah. I would rather take the imperfect and generally stable world now than what caca a few intellectuals think up while soaking themselves in bubble bath alone for the nth time will make society better.
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  • themightyzeniththemightyzenith Posts: 4,599 Arc User
    edited April 2018

    Nailed what?

    It was in response to the person I quoted in that post. When Jon's spot-on, he's very spot-on.

    you have a chip on your shoulder over me

    Sweetie, you credit yourself with too much importance.

    Talking of chips on shoulders, I would say that having a big rant on deviantart about forum mods and posters from these here forums, and how you're such a victim, probably fits that criteria pretty well.

    trying to be ethical and moral is my test

    Yes, we know...... always trying to claim that moral high ground.



    As for your Agenda 21 Conspiracy video...... feel free to swallow the opinions of fringe conspiracists who make a fine living catering to the tinfoil-hat crowd.

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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited April 2018

    The forums are like high school, socially you struggle to keep your head above water so you dont drowned in the sea of confusion, and while others are also struggling to get their air, they claw at you trying to get to the surface. Sometimes they dont mean it, its an instinctual reaction for survival. I speak metaphorically

    We all see what we want to see. I'm not sure why that's what you would want to see. It's certainly never felt that way for me and I'm certainly not beloved by the forum masses. It's just not that serious, you know?

    But in every crowd there will always be one or two guys who just want you to be as miserable as they are, and sometimes they get their way. >.> If i where perfect I imagine I would always have the right things to say in my defense, but since im not i have to choose if i should speak up in my defense when b-rated or just let them gloat over backhanding me. i suppose no matter how I answer or what i say on here, I will never really be accepted due to the level of diversity in our beliefs. But I still tried, what ever that is worth these days...

    There's no reason to be so melodramatic just because somebody criticized your opinions.


    PS - I'm not concerned about "the mark of the beast" because that's just a story. That makes the video you linked seem rather silly. Also it cleverly edits footage to remove context, a big part of it is just irrelevant bible passages, much of it is clearly just interviews with conspiracy theorists, and it doesn't actually say that people got chips implanted - if anything it looks like they're using fingerprints to let people log into ATMs and what not. Come on Cat, you really let stuff like this fool you? You gotta learn to look a little deeper before letting yourself be convinced.
  • ealford1985ealford1985 Posts: 3,582 Arc User
    *ties his black nike shoes*

    I don’t know about you guys...but I sure am thirsty!
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    I mean me personally I can't wait to get chipped. Get lost in the woods? Chip brings the rescue crew right to you. Get kidnapped? Chip brings the police right to you. Medical emergency? Chip monitors your vitals and calls an ambulance. Stuck out of country without your papers? No worries, the chip is your papers.

    I mean sure they could "turn off your chip" oh no! Everything that implies is something "they" could already do to you. Freeze your bank account, alter your criminal record, put out APBs on you, etc... all that Jason Bourne stuff could already happen ( but let's face it nobody here is important enough that it would ).
  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    spinnytop said:

    I mean me personally I can't wait to get chipped. Get lost in the woods? Chip brings the rescue crew right to you.

    So the chip includes a cell phone antenna? This is not very likely (too power intensive), and if you get lost in the middle of the woods you probably don't have any bars anyway.

    A practical chip would be RFID with passive tags. Which gives you a range varying from a few centimeters to a few meters. The ones currently used for chipping pets have a range of about 10 cm.
  • jonesing4jonesing4 Posts: 800 Arc User
    I’ll be perfectly honest, in these kinds of threads I tend to skip right over anything not posted by Jon Sills or Bulgarex. The rest will either be too stupid or too snarky for my own good. No offense to any of the rest of you; I’ll continue lurking in the corner.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited April 2018

    So the chip includes a cell phone antenna? This is not very likely (too power intensive), and if you get lost in the middle of the woods you probably don't have any bars anyway.

    A practical chip would be RFID with passive tags. Which gives you a range varying from a few centimeters to a few meters. The ones currently used for chipping pets have a range of about 10 cm.

    By the time everyone is getting chipped technology will have improved. I doubt they'll be using puppy chips lol. I recently found a camcorder in a box I bought at some point and was like "what is this antique I've found?". I recorded it with my iPhone.
  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    spinnytop said:

    By the time everyone is getting chipped technology will have improved.

    Radio is a mature technology. All the options for more range and higher data transmission rate have side effects of needing more power. There are things you can do to improve range by a bit, but there's serious limits to what you can do without adding a power supply.

    Also not much point. You just design your implanted RFID so it talks to your smartphone, and you put the battery in the smartphone, and get the side benefit of something more reliable and secure than fingerprint recognition on your phone.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User

    Radio is a mature technology. All the options for more range and higher data transmission rate have side effects of needing more power. There are things you can do to improve range by a bit, but there's serious limits to what you can do without adding a power supply.

    Also not much point. You just design your implanted RFID so it talks to your smartphone, and you put the battery in the smartphone, and get the side benefit of something more reliable and secure than fingerprint recognition on your phone.

    In five years I'll call you on my phone chip and bring this post up on your implant's hud and then send you an AI emoji that will make fun of you for being wrong.
  • catstarstocatstarsto Posts: 1,129 Arc User
    That moment you realize the very thing people have been insisting wasnt true, didnt exist and would never happen....they had already known about, embraced it and probably pre-ordered it all long...




    Johnsills...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyGMYTblBAQ
    ^When this happens, one panics and makes mistakes, because...well, you seen what was at stake! And how everyone reacted. Had I known you guys where just messing with me and knew about it, we could of avoided a whole affair...but I get why you did it now, (2 Peter 3:3) "touché"

    ...I'll leave you to it now.

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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,000 Arc User
    edited April 2018

    That moment you realize the very thing people have been insisting wasnt true, didnt exist and would never happen....they had already known about, embraced it and probably pre-ordered it all long...


    I need help dicphering this latest incoherent babbling.



  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,318 Arc User

    Johnsills [sic]...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyGMYTblBAQ
    ^When this happens, one panics and makes mistakes, because...well, you seen what was at stake! And how everyone reacted. Had I known you guys where just messing with me and knew about it, we could of avoided a whole affair...but I get why you did it now, (2 Peter 3:3) "touché"

    ...I'll leave you to it now.

    Oh, heavens, an unavailable YouTube video! What devastating evidence! This is bound to shake the sheeple!

    More seriously, as I keep telling my roommate whenever he tries to justify some new weirdness by citing YouTube ("I saw it on a video!"), I can literally show you at least four video series about people trying to deal with the presence of the Slender Man (and often associates - TribeTwelve has an entire mystic hierarchy), but that doesn't mean the Slender Man is real. Heck, there's an eleven-episode, fairly-slickly-produced series, Star Trek Continues, that, well, continues the original ST series. (Vic Mignona makes a pretty good Kirk, and Grant Imahara is excellent as Sulu, but while Todd Haberkorn can do a Spock-style voice, I just don't think he has the right inherent gravitas for the role.) This does not in any way indicate that Star Trek is real.

    Don't confuse what you see on this little screen with what exists in consensual reality. Sometimes it is - but quite often, even on supposed "news" programs, it is not. Always double-check, and the less likely the story is the harder you should strive to verify it.
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  • nephtnepht Posts: 6,883 Arc User
    edited April 2018

    This whole thread. Just. Wut.
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User
    edited April 2018

    That moment you realize the very thing people have been insisting wasnt true, didnt exist and would never happen....they had already known about, embraced it and probably pre-ordered it all long...


    I need help dicphering this latest incoherent babbling.
    I think Cat is trying to do a cross-over with that thread where we talked about pre-ordering video games.
    nepht said:


    This whole thread. Just. Wut.

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  • themightyzeniththemightyzenith Posts: 4,599 Arc User
    edited April 2018

    Given the homestead act, I can also live off of my land without taxes since ive already checked into this for when my money no longer works.

    You should check this out in a bit more detail as the Homestead Act no longer exists, it was repealed in 1976, except in Alaska, where it continued until 1986.

    Maybe you mean filing a "Declaration of Homestead" which, if you are in a state that does this and you fit the criteria, protects a certain amount of equity in your home from attachment by creditors.

    If you find youself in a post apocalyptic world where "money no longer works", then I doubt a declaration of homestead is gonna be of any use to you, or indeed offer any protection when the zombie hordes invade your back garden.
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  • elnithelnith Posts: 5 Arc User
    *looks at this thread*


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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 4,916 Arc User
    elnith said:

    *looks at this thread*


    Yeah most of this thread is people ranting about why their POV is best, or laughing at others. Discussion? nah. It's a shame because it IS a subject worth discussing, but discussions won't happen until people put away the giant buckets of white and black paint.
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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,000 Arc User
    edited April 2018
    > @markhawkman said
    > Yeah most of this thread is people ranting about why their POV is best, or laughing at others. Discussion? nah. It's a shame because it IS a subject worth discussing, but discussions won't happen until people put away the giant buckets of white and black paint.

    If you've actually read the thread its not "mostly" about people saying their POV is "best" or "mostly" about "laughing" at others.

    Being disingenuous about it and making inaccurate sweeping statements like yours isn't better than what you're criticizing about.
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 16,450 Arc User

    until people put away the giant buckets of white and black paint.

    Translation: Until people say what I believe.
  • themightyzeniththemightyzenith Posts: 4,599 Arc User

    Yeah most of this thread is people ranting about why their POV is best,

    I'm assuming you mean apart from the comments you actually posted in this thread or the ones that adhere to your POV

    ....but discussions won't happen until people put away the giant buckets of white and black paint.

    image.....

    Then you have the UN with the politician's version of Globalism(this is the bad one).

    Well, society can't cater to the minority. I can't think of any actual example of what you describe when you say that

    Immigration is bad more often than good.

    They try to immigrate for no reason other than they're broke and jobless.

    WTB [Buckets of White Paint] and [Buckets of Black Paint]. You seem to have vast reserves.


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