Electricity and Fire build request

blueionstormz

My electricity and fire build are out of date, and I'm not familiar with the new mechanic and synergy.
I'd like to request for: 1) a glass cannon electricity dps build (no Con); 2) a survivable fire dps build using the old form (with Con); 3) a build that best uses the new fire form. An explanation of the power rotation would be very helpful as well.

flowcyto

An Elec dps build:

(Unnamed Build) - Freeform
v2.3.2-28

Super Stats
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Squall (Dex: 8, Ego: 10, Rec: 10, End: 10)
Level 6: Shooter (Dex: 5, Ego: 5)
Level 9: Daredevil (Ego: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Worldly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Electric Bolt
Level 1: Chain Lightning (Rank 2, Lightning Helix, Superconductor)
Level 6: Electric Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Concentration
Level 11: Ionic Reverberation
Level 14: Ball Lightning (Rank 2, Triplicity, Supercharged)
Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Lightning Arc (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Lightning Storm (Rank 2, Stolen Thunder)
Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 29: Electric Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Lock N Load (Rank 2)
Level 35: Imbue
Level 38: Blinding Light
Adv. Points: 34/36

Travel Powers
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (3/3)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)

Basic ST dps rotation is to apply NI (w/ Ball Lit or Chain Lit), apply Superconductor w/ Chain Lit, and then channel LArc while using Ball Lit on cd to refresh the debuffs. Gears mostly for Ego, w/ some Dex and End/Rec.

For SS setups, you could also try Dex PSS w/ an Ego_Int focus using Conc as the toggle and Ego_Int SS, or keep Ego PSS but take Chilled Form and focus on Dex SS with 3/3 in 6th Sense (since the focus is on a 2ndary SS then).

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Basic Fire dps build:

(Unnamed Build) - Freeform
v2.3.2-28

Super Stats
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Endurance (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Scourge (Con: 10, Ego: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
Level 6: Ascetic (Con: 5, Ego: 5)
Level 9: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Daredevil (Ego: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Worldly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Throw Fire
Level 1: Fire Breath (Rank 2, Spitfire)
Level 6: Fiery Form (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Chilled Form
Level 11: Thermal Reverberation
Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Fire Shield (Rank 2)
Level 20: Incinerate (Rank 2, Rank 3, Burninator)
Level 23: Flashfire (Rank 2, Fan the Flames)
Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 29: Fire Snake (Rank 2, Trail Blazer)
Level 32: Lock N Load (Rank 2)
Level 35: Rebirth
Level 38:
Adv. Points: 32/36

Travel Powers
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (3/3)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Ego Mastery (1/1)

(last power can be w/e)

Firesnake can apply Engulfing Flames stacks to buff your dmg, and Flashfire can help renew those stacks and apply CF. With CF and 3x EF debuffs setup, you can just channel Incinerate in between for ST dps. Gears mostly for Ego, w/ some Con and End.

Using the new toggle (Fiery Will) would mostly entail switching the stat focus to Rec (and SSing Rec, ofc), and swapping to 3/3 in 6th Sense if keeping Ego PSS. Although Incinerate can't proc Fiery Will (or TReverb) by itself, Flashfire and Firesnake can (as well as whichever Fire AoE you pick, ofc), and you'll want those going in the background regardless.

blueionstormz

Sorry for the late reply, got busy with RL stuff. Thanks as always Flow. Appreciate your help in updating my builds as well as the explanation on how to use them.
What's the difference Ego/Dex/End with Chilled Form; Dex/Ego/Int with Conc; with the first, the SS to gear for would be Dex and with the latter, it would be Int, correct?
I guess Conflag isn't what it used to be, is Fire breath the go to AoE for fire now? Or is it more for the guaranteed chance for applying CF?
Oops, I meant passive but typed form. Using the hearth passive probably mean going for a DPS/support hybrid. What do you think of this build?

Nova - Freeform
v2.3.2-28

Super Stats
Level 6: Ego (Primary)
Level 10: Recovery (Secondary)
Level 15: Presence (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Blazing (Ego: 8, Pre: 10, Rec: 10, End: 10)
Level 6: Showmanship (Ego: 5, Pre: 5)
Level 9: Worldly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 12: Lasting Impression (Pre: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 15: Daredevil (Ego: 5, End: 5)
Level 18: Prodigy (Pre: 5, End: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Throw Fire
Level 1: Fire Breath (Rank 2, Spitfire)
Level 6: Hearth (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Smoldering
Level 11: Thermal Reverberation
Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Force Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3, Force Sheathe)
Level 20: Incinerate (Rank 2, Rank 3, Burninator)
Level 23: Flashfire (Rank 2, Fan the Flames)
Level 26: Warmth (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Rise From the Ashes (Spreading Flames)
Level 32: Lock N Load
Level 35: Rebirth
Level 38: Mental Storm
Adv. Points: 35/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Flight

Specializations
Ego: Force of Will (2/2)
Ego: Insight (3/3)
Ego: Follow Through (3/3)
Ego: Sixth Sense (2/3)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Sentinel: Caregiver (3/3)
Sentinel: Sentinel Aura (3/3)
Sentinel: Wither (2/2)
Sentinel: Genesis (2/2)
Mastery: Sentinel Mastery (1/1)

flowcyto

The only diff between Chilled Form and Conc is that CF scales w/ Dex and Conc w/ Int, though they both can also scale w/ Ego instead. I prob wouldn't use a SS setup that uses all three of Dex + Int + Ego in most cases, though. While Dex SS can be useful for glass cannons for the extra crit, I would pick between having Int or Ego if ur not focusing on Dex w/ CF, and make the 3rd stat Rec or End (depending on what the EU scales with).

For non-glass cannon dps, I'd generally get Con SS'd, pick the main toggle stat and PSS it (Ego, Dex or Int), and make the 3rd SS the energy/EU stat (Rec or End here).

For more Support-oriented setups, I would still get Con SS to not be as squishy, and focus on Rec SS (for Smoldering) or Pres (for Compassion). Pres is still good to SS regardless for the bonus heal. For that hybrid build, that means I'd prob change the SS and talents to suit PRES/Rec/Con. I'd also prob exchange Flashfire for Incendiary Grenade, since the nade can apply CF & pyre patch, and can debuff w/ No Quarter (easier and more compact than trying to squeeze Engulfing Flames in there + Flashfire). I may also exchange LNL for R3 Absorb Heat- which can be a nice AoE burst heal when close-up w/ allies.

boomjenny

@flowcyto


So what do you think is best for fire toggle form? fiery will or chilled ?
I tried the fire dps, but always run out energy so fast, what if I change innate talent to The Squall which gives me 10 ego 10 Endurance 10 recover , but no constitution, so fiery fire scale recovery how do I choose?
I also made this talents, aesica.net/co/herocreator.htm?v=28&n=Fiery%20form&d=15780caXWNPi0O0180000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000tH53BIR2MGB .
Thank you.

flowcyto

Energy is pretty heavily dependent on gear and stats. If ur lower level and/or your gear is weaker then energy can be a much bigger issue. Gearing for more End for Thermal Reverb and whichever stat is SS'd and scaling up the toggle/form (in my example build that's Ego) can help w/ that, as can cost discount rating on Utility gear.

boomjenny

flowcyto said:

Energy is pretty heavily dependent on gear and stats. If ur lower level and/or your gear is weaker then energy can be a much bigger issue. Gearing for more End for Thermal Reverb and whichever stat is SS'd and scaling up the toggle/form (in my example build that's Ego) can help w/ that, as can cost discount rating on Utility gear.

TBH, I use power up 30 level with my 2 characters, one beast melee, and this fire build. So , I just got level 30, I try the base build in training. So should I just using chilled form for now ?

flowcyto

Yea, you can keep using it. As long as that's true and Ego is SS'd then Ego should be ur main stat, followed by End if you still have some energy issues.

boomjenny

@flowcyto

OK, so I am confused by what type role should I use for fire build ranged ? or Hybrid ？
Thank you, and Marry Christmas.

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spinnytop

boomjenny#3477 said:

OK, so I am confused by what type role should I use for fire build ranged ? or Hybrid ？
Thank you, and Marry Christmas.

If it's slanted towards healing, use Support role in groups, and Hybrid role solo.

If it's slanted towards dps, just use dps role all the time.

flowcyto

Keep in mind it also depends on the passive(s) you use. For ex: Fiery Form is a offensive passive, so it can only be slotted when in either DPS role or the Hybrid role. Hearth is a support passive, so it can only be slotted when in the Support or Hybrid roles.

The Fire dps build I made is optimally for the Ranged DPS role, though you could also use the Hybrid role for it (more bonus heal, but less dps and more threat gen- so I generally wouldn't recommend the Hybrid role for it in that case).

boomjenny

@flowcyto

What you mean by last power can be W/E ?

Thanks,

flowcyto

w/e is short for 'whatever', so pick any power you like for that slot.

blueionstormz

flowcyto said:

The only diff between Chilled Form and Conc is that CF scales w/ Dex and Conc w/ Int, though they both can also scale w/ Ego instead. I prob wouldn't use a SS setup that uses all three of Dex + Int + Ego in most cases, though. While Dex SS can be useful for glass cannons for the extra crit, I would pick between having Int or Ego if ur not focusing on Dex w/ CF, and make the 3rd stat Rec or End (depending on what the EU scales with).

For non-glass cannon dps, I'd generally get Con SS'd, pick the main toggle stat and PSS it (Ego, Dex or Int), and make the 3rd SS the energy/EU stat (Rec or End here).

For more Support-oriented setups, I would still get Con SS to not be as squishy, and focus on Rec SS (for Smoldering) or Pres (for Compassion). Pres is still good to SS regardless for the bonus heal. For that hybrid build, that means I'd prob change the SS and talents to suit PRES/Rec/Con. I'd also prob exchange Flashfire for Incendiary Grenade, since the nade can apply CF & pyre patch, and can debuff w/ No Quarter (easier and more compact than trying to squeeze Engulfing Flames in there + Flashfire). I may also exchange LNL for R3 Absorb Heat- which can be a nice AoE burst heal when close-up w/ allies.

Thanks for explaining. I see, so better to go with Ego/Dex/End for glass cannon and Ego/Con/End for non-glass cannon. I guess both Int and Ego are useful because both can reduce cost and Int has Def Pen, while Ego increases crit chance and sev. How does DEX work with clinging flames?

I have incorporated your recommendations. There's something wrong with the scorched earth adv as it's not showing up even when clicked but I'm planning to take that adv since you pointed out its better than flashfire. I'm also thinking of putting 1 Ego mod in this build.

Nova - Freeform
v2.3.2-28

Super Stats
Level 6: Presence (Primary)
Level 10: Recovery (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Blazing (Ego: 8, Pre: 10, Rec: 10, End: 10)
Level 6: Shrug It Off (Con: 5, Pre: 5)
Level 9: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 12: Lasting Impression (Pre: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 15: Ascetic (Con: 5, Ego: 5)
Level 18: Showmanship (Ego: 5, Pre: 5)
Level 21: Worldly (Ego: 5, Rec: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Throw Fire
Level 1: Fire Breath (Rank 2, Spitfire)
Level 6: Hearth (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 8: Smoldering
Level 11: Thermal Reverberation
Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Force Shield (Rank 2, Force Sheathe)
Level 20: Incinerate (Rank 2, Rank 3, Burninator)
Level 23: Incendiary Grenade (Chemical Burn)
Level 26: Warmth (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Rise From the Ashes (Spreading Flames)
Level 32: Absorb Heat (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace
Level 38: Mental Storm
Adv. Points: 34/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Flight

Specializations
Presence: Repurpose (3/3)
Presence: Selfless Ally (2/2)
Presence: Moment of Glory (3/3)
Presence: Vulnerability (2/2)
Guardian: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Guardian: Ruthless (2/2)
Guardian: Find the Mark (2/3)
Guardian: The Best Defense (3/3)
Sentinel: Caregiver (3/3)
Sentinel: Sentinel Aura (3/3)
Sentinel: Wither (2/2)
Sentinel: Genesis (2/2)
Mastery: Sentinel Mastery (1/1)

flowcyto

Yea it looks a bit better. I may just gear for more Rec instead of non-SS'd Ego here, since SS'd Rec will scale up the general SS dmg/heal bonuses, Hearth, Smoldering, and Moment of Glory here.