Make gear account bound instead of character bound.

eva1988

If you're like me, then the idea of having to regrind all of your gear just to play an alternate character is insufferable.. I'd much rather everything was account bound so that i don't have to slog through the boring grind all over again.

themightyzenith

Good luck with that, beyond the heirloom gear that is already account bound it'll never happen.

eva1988

themightyzenith said:

Good luck with that, beyond the heirloom gear that is already account bound it'll never happen.

It could happen, not sure why you say it'll "never happen". That just strikes me as negative thinking.

Nobody wants a boring game; having to regrind gear over again is boring.. It leaves you with the choice of two boring options :

1. stay with the character you're bored with playing

2. Redo the boring grind.

Why not just cut out the boring part?

sterga

CO has been getting MORE grind, not less. Things that used to be account bound have become character bound. Even stupid stuff like auras and emotes are all turning character bound. So, MG is probably right in that it will never happen.

I would love more things to be account bound, but won't be holding my breath for it.​​

beezeeze

If it is boring to you than just don't grind for gear, you don't really need it except to do all those boring grinding bits you are already bored of.

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ealford1985

"It could happen"

No it won't.


Regardless of how I feel about it, it won't.

pantagruel01

It's not technically impossible, but it's clearly not something Cryptic is interested in doing, given how many things are now character level unlocks rather than account.

themightyzenith

eva1988 said:

It could happen, not sure why you say it'll "never happen". That just strikes me as negative thinking.

It's not negative thinking on my part...... it's seeing how things are implemented in this game and knowing that account-bound is not the trend they are aiming for.

flyingfinn

Come on. Account bound gear?
And make all the other allready grinded gear obselete.
Who do i call for a refund.
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spinnytop

eva1988 said:

If you're like me, then the idea of having to regrind all of your gear just to play an alternate character is insufferable.

Well, you don't have to regrind all of your gear to play an alternate character. So there you go, problem solved via there never having been a problem to begin with.

qawsada

spinnytop said:

Well, you don't have to regrind all of your gear to play an alternate character. So there you go, problem solved via there never having been a problem to begin with.

This is an alt thing, something you probably wouldn't know at all.

roughbearmattach

I understand wanting every alt to be as fully geared as possible. After my fifth set of Justice Gear, I gave up on Rampages (LI and SC are punishing for me.) I also grinded enough to equip one additional toon with a set of Distinguished. Then I had a revelation: I only bring my five or six favorites to Cosmics/TA anyway. The other forty-something characters can remain with a mix of Legion/Heroic/Mercenary. That gear really is better than good enough for every alert, regular mission, and event in the game.

championshewolf

sterga said:

CO has been getting MORE grind, not less. Things that used to be account bound have become character bound. Even stupid stuff like auras and emotes are all turning character bound. So, MG is probably right in that it will never happen.



I would love more things to be account bound, but won't be holding my breath for it.​​

Uhhh, gear has always been character bound. Beyond certain devices, that has just been a fact.

spinnytop

qawsada said:

This is an alt thing, something you probably wouldn't know at all.

Strange thing to say considering you've seen me play on several different characters, lol. Are you really attempting to imply that I don't have any alts?

roughbearmattach said:

I understand wanting every alt to be as fully geared as possible. After my fifth set of Justice Gear, I gave up on Rampages (LI and SC are punishing for me.) I also grinded enough to equip one additional toon with a set of Distinguished. Then I had a revelation: I only bring my five or six favorites to Cosmics/TA anyway. The other forty-something characters can remain with a mix of Legion/Heroic/Mercenary. That gear really is better than good enough for every alert, regular mission, and event in the game.

^ see this is a sensible way to think about alts. People who complain about "having to grind to gear all my alts" need to learn to admit that this requirement is 100% self-imposed. If someone is choosing to do this, then they need to admit that it is their choice, and that they are in fact enjoying the process of gearing all their alts... or, they need to admit that they force themselves to do things they don't enjoy in video games for reasons they themselves invented that are not enforced by the game's rules. The alternative is to continue doing things they don't enjoy, while blaming someone or something that is not actually forcing them to do so... and isn't that kind of a sad state to be in?

xacchaeus

championshewolf said:

sterga said:

CO has been getting MORE grind, not less. Things that used to be account bound have become character bound. Even stupid stuff like auras and emotes are all turning character bound. So, MG is probably right in that it will never happen.



I would love more things to be account bound, but won't be holding my breath for it.​​

Uhhh, gear has always been character bound. Beyond certain devices, that has just been a fact.

always? what is heirloom gear?

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championshewolf

xacchaeus said:

always? what is heirloom gear?

Leveling gear at best and something to help people along instead of relying on random luck of gear drops. Beyond that it isn't gear in context that people are after. And yes, gear has always been bound to character.

spinnytop

gradii said:

You're contradicting yourself. How can you understand wanting every alt to be as fully geared as possible if merc and heroic gear is enough?​​

I know I'm pointing out the obvious here but since you didn't catch it: He used to feel like that, until one day he thought about it and came to the conclusion that gearing every character like that wasn't actually important to him. So, he can understand it because at one point he was experiencing it. It is possible for people to think about their desires and come to conclusions that change those desires.

xacchaeus

championshewolf said:

xacchaeus said:

always? what is heirloom gear?

Leveling gear at best and something to help people along instead of relying on random luck of gear drops. Beyond that it isn't gear in context that people are after. And yes, gear has always been bound to character.

except when its not :: rolls eyes ::

qawsada

spinnytop said:

Strange thing to say considering you've seen me play on several different characters, lol. Are you really attempting to imply that I don't have any alts?

You have alts, but you don't generally play with them as much as others.

spinnytop said:

^ see this is a sensible way to think about alts. People who complain about "having to grind to gear all my alts" need to learn to admit that this requirement is 100% self-imposed. If someone is choosing to do this, then they need to admit that it is their choice, and that they are in fact enjoying the process of gearing all their alts... or, they need to admit that they force themselves to do things they don't enjoy in video games for reasons they themselves invented that are not enforced by the game's rules. The alternative is to continue doing things they don't enjoy, while blaming someone or something that is not actually forcing them to do so... and isn't that kind of a sad state to be in?

Not really when you consider that generally, this game practically encourage alt making with the amount of character slots, power, and costume combination. Some people just want to make them more useful than they already are. Some people even enjoy using their best character to support their other character so they could use those in other occasion instead of running the same character everyday or every week. This is more to say compare to certain players with small amount of alt complain about the token system of the Rampage setting, ask for more grind, then don't play the game for quite a while inbetween those time because they don't see the game as fun.

spinnytop said:

I know I'm pointing out the obvious here but since you didn't catch it: He used to feel like that, until one day he thought about it and came to the conclusion that gearing every character like that wasn't actually important to him. So, he can understand it because at one point he was experiencing it. It is possible for people to think about their desires and come to conclusions that change those desires.

I know I'm pointing out the obvious here but since you didn't catch it: She used to feel like that, until one day she thought about it and came to the conclusion that gearing every character like that was actually important to her. So, she can understand it because at one point she was experiencing it. It is possible for people to think about their desires and come to conclusions that change those desires.

sterga

championshewolf wrote: »

Uhhh, gear has always been character bound. Beyond certain devices, that has just been a fact.

WTF that have to do with what I said? No s--t most gear has always been character bound. Auras and emotes, the things I specifically mentioned, have not always been character bound. And even character bound gear is grindier to get. You know, the other part of OP's comment about not wanting to deal with so much grind.

Before you try to make a snide comment, learn how to read.​​

jaazaniah1

I wonder if they'll ever think of selling tokens in the z store that will let you unbind 1 piece of gear and then let you bind it to another character?

darqaura2

jaazaniah1 said:

I wonder if they'll ever think of selling tokens in the z store that will let you unbind 1 piece of gear and then let you bind it to another character?

That would be interesting . . . though probably expensive.

championshewolf

darqaura2 said:

jaazaniah1 said:

I wonder if they'll ever think of selling tokens in the z store that will let you unbind 1 piece of gear and then let you bind it to another character?

That would be interesting . . . though probably expensive.

Fairly confidant unbinding tokens would be a solid no at this time.

pantagruel01

championshewolf said:

Fairly confidant unbinding tokens would be a solid no at this time.

Generic ones certainly. Extremely limited transfer boxes have been offered (take event currency and a bound to character event item to a vendor, get a bound to account box you can give to your alt).

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pantagruel01

gradii said:

Say NO to unbinding tokens (assured profit) sounds like a smart thing cryptic would do.​​

It's far more profitable to sell a new copy to each and every character than to sell unbinding tokens for anything less than the price of a new copy.

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pantagruel01

gradii said:

But in the case of gear they're not selling anything, players are grinding the gear and theres no way to buy your way to it faster.​​

And if they were inclined to change that, they'd just make the gear directly buyable, not sell unbinding tokens.

roughbearmattach

I used to feel that way about gearing toons, and now I don't.

It used to be easier to fully gear each toon, and that gear was Legion with Vigilante. It is actually easier to obtain that sort of gear now than it once was. The max gear is higher, and much harder, but gearing to the standard used before Justice is easier than ever.

decorumfriends

gradii said:

You're contradicting yourself. How can you understand wanting every alt to be as fully geared as possible if merc and heroic gear is enough?​​

Understanding a desire doesn't necessarily mean you agree with it.

decorumfriends

qawsada said:

Not really when you consider that generally, this game practically encourage alt making with the amount of character slots, power, and costume combination. Some people just want to make them more useful than they already are. Some people even enjoy using their best character to support their other character so they could use those in other occasion instead of running the same character everyday or every week. This is more to say compare to certain players with small amount of alt complain about the token system of the Rampage setting, ask for more grind, then don't play the game for quite a while inbetween those time because they don't see the game as fun.

I'm altaholic as hell, but I don't have this seemingly common desire that every character be maximum power possible. It's not even appropriate for most of my characters. I picked a handful that it would be appropriate to be "cosmic level" and am working on those. Really, is it even useful to try and make 60+ characters "the uber"? Seems like nothing more than an anal retentive obsession to me.

spinnytop

qawsada said:

You have alts, but you don't generally play with them as much as others.

I think you either don't know who my "main" is... or you don't know what "alt" means. I'll give you a hint... I don't have a main.

qawsada said:

Not really when you consider that generally, this game practically encourage alt making with the amount of character slots, power, and costume combination. Some people just want to make them more useful than they already are. Some people even enjoy using their best character to support their other character so they could use those in other occasion instead of running the same character everyday or every week. This is more to say compare to certain players with small amount of alt complain about the token system of the Rampage setting, ask for more grind, then don't play the game for quite a while inbetween those time because they don't see the game as fun.

I don't think you really understood what you were responding to. There's nothing wrong with someone who enjoys making lots of alts and gearing them up. What's sad is when someone chooses to do that, but doesn't actually enjoy it, and then basically acts like the game is forcing them to do it ( which it isn't ).

qawsada said:

I know I'm pointing out the obvious here but since you didn't catch it: She used to feel like that, until one day she thought about it and came to the conclusion that gearing every character like that was actually important to her. So, she can understand it because at one point she was experiencing it. It is possible for people to think about their desires and come to conclusions that change those desires.

Not even remotely sure what you're trying to say here or how it's actually related to my response to Gradii's question. I'm almost tempted to think that you're trying to say that Roughbear is a girl...

qawsada

decorumfriends said:

I'm altaholic as hell, but I don't have this seemingly common desire that every character be maximum power possible. It's not even appropriate for most of my characters. I picked a handful that it would be appropriate to be "cosmic level" and am working on those. Really, is it even useful to try and make 60+ characters "the uber"? Seems like nothing more than an anal retentive obsession to me.

So am I, but I generally gear most of my alts with mercs and level37-40 gears with the scr secondary. That being said, it was a huge blow when they increase the cost of Heroic to 150 scr, while making Justice gear goes along with both rampage and the recognition. It obviously not going to happen but I support the idea of the gear being account bound.

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decorumfriends

qawsada said:

decorumfriends said:

I'm altaholic as hell, but I don't have this seemingly common desire that every character be maximum power possible. It's not even appropriate for most of my characters. I picked a handful that it would be appropriate to be "cosmic level" and am working on those. Really, is it even useful to try and make 60+ characters "the uber"? Seems like nothing more than an anal retentive obsession to me.

So am I, but I generally gear most of my alts with mercs and level37-40 gears with the scr secondary. That being said, it was a huge blow when they increase the cost of Heroic to 150 scr, while making Justice gear goes along with both rampage and the recognition. It obviously not going to happen but I support the idea of the gear being account bound.

I never really wanted Heroic, anyway. It was OK when it was cheap, but I don't find it a significant enough boost over Merc to bother with, certainly not at the insane price increase on the AH (yeah, frankly, I get most of my gear there, not from SCR).

avianos

The Majority of my ALTS have Heroics (never gonna touch Mercanary), only a few have full Legion, Justice and Disguished sets and those specific ones are my favorite

As an ALTitis i really DON'T need anything more than Heroics to do endgame, and thanks to multiply ALT farming I get SCR to buy said Heroics for new characters
Despite I want the BEST out of everyone's build I don't desire to get endgame gear for ALL of them


as for the thread suggestion about Account bound gear, I'm against it and I doubt it will ever happen

Heirloom is complety different kind of gear since it's used exclusively for leveling up to 40 as stated
I love my full Aurum Gear set, it has been used (along with the outdated Nemesis set) to level up a lot of character, but once they reach lvl 40 it complety drags them down, so Im going to store it in hideout bank and get Heroics​​

draogn

roughbearmattach said:

I used to feel that way about gearing toons, and now I don't.

It used to be easier to fully gear each toon, and that gear was Legion with Vigilante. It is actually easier to obtain that sort of gear now than it once was. The max gear is higher, and much harder, but gearing to the standard used before Justice is easier than ever.

How is it easier to get Legion gear when Legion gear is no longer dropping from lockboxes because the devs, wrongfully, thought removing them and replacing them with costume gamble boxes gave lockboxes more value?

ealford1985

Just open lockboxes that have them

roughbearmattach

Plenty of old lockboxes aboot.
I still have ones that can drop three pieces at a time.

themightyzenith

roughbearmattach said:

Plenty of old lockboxes aboot.
I still have ones that can drop three pieces at a time.

Which lockbox is that?

ealford1985

themightyzenith said:

roughbearmattach said:

Plenty of old lockboxes aboot.
I still have ones that can drop three pieces at a time.

Which lockbox is that?

I think he is just opening too fast.

spinnytop

roughbearmattach said:

Plenty of old lockboxes aboot.
I still have ones that can drop three pieces at a time.

The advantages of being old u3u