Heavy Weapons need a SPIN ATTACK

avianos

Along with other things, but Spinning for winning is always amusing in videogames and all melee need a PBAoE with Spin

Heavy Cyclone Attack:
Maintained Pointblank AoE by default, every swing has a chance to knock down enemies

ADV: the power becomes Charged with higher damage


I'm not a Big fan of Heavy Weapons in Champions Online because how slugish/root-friendly they feel and with a very few costume unlocks (MA to this day have more weapons) If I can, i will complety skip them for Single/Dual Blades. When they got that Mini-revamp i felt unimpressed

The powerframe needs more powers
There are other games that make Heavy weapons feel so much more Epic and powerful, CO doesn't do that for me​​

decorumfriends

avianos said:

I'm not a Big fan of Heavy Weapons in Champions Online because how slugish/root-friendly they feel...​​

I'm under the impression that that's on purpose. It's a great big weapon, it shouldn't be all snickty-snak like MA weapons. It should be "OOMPH....BOOM!"

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baelogventure

gradii said:

decorumfriends said:

avianos said:

I'm not a Big fan of Heavy Weapons in Champions Online because how slugish/root-friendly they feel...​​

I'm under the impression that that's on purpose. It's a great big weapon, it shouldn't be all snickty-snak like MA weapons. It should be "OOMPH....BOOM!"

Games aren't supposed to be realistic. Games are supposed to be cool.

Step aside ladies. Real man coming through.

avianos

^ Even DARK SOULS make Heavy weapons more enjoable, I'm not focusing only on the JRPG standards
If heavy weapons had THAT animation i would be sold

decorumfriends wrote: »

I'm under the impression that that's on purpose. It's a great big weapon, it shouldn't be all snickty-snak like MA weapons. It should be "OOMPH....BOOM!"

and this is where the HW failed for me, it brought too much realism on a SUPER HERO game for pete's sake

Hell even THOR is that sluggish

BTW, What the spin attack animation for HW should hold the weapon with both hands while swinging
More like this


instead of this


darn it i dont have enough gif references​​

decorumfriends

gradii said:

Games aren't supposed to be realistic. Games are supposed to be cool.

I think that IS cool. But you don't because of course you don't.

decorumfriends

avianos said:

and this is where the HW failed for me, it brought to much realism on a SUPER HERO game for pete's sake

Hey, I'm the last person to advocate real world "realism" to super-heroes. Internal consistency and having the two types of powers have a different feel is all I'm saying. Sure, I agree they could use better animations to illustrate that, though (not that that's going to happen).

EDIT: Oh, sorry, I neglected to mention all through this that I'm behind your spin move idea, though.

avianos

decorumfriends wrote: »

I agree they could use better animations to illustrate that, though (not that that's going to happen).

Yeah, the sad truth is that long as Champions online Doesn't have a Full time Animator in the DEV team, most of the HW will remain slugish and rooted

for example Skewer COULD become non-root power, but devs said the current animation doesn't support it and it would BREAK your character's spine, so it remains a self root

my only hope right now is making new powers by reusing existing animators and visuals
DEVs had been doing a really great job lately by combining power animations as well as using scrapped aspects in the games code​​

spinnytop

Why are people even discussing realism? Stop it or I'll rain fire down on you from the sky and then murder you with shadow tentacles.

I agree tho that a sword cyclone type of attack just doesn't feel right for heavy weapons - that seems more like a light weapon thing thematically, and to me keeping a solid theme for each power set is important. Plus HW already has a lot of great options for aoe damage. HW's spin attack is basically Arc of Ruin, and it does pretty good in that capacity - plus no goofy ballerina spinning.

avianos

spinnytop wrote: »

I agree tho that a sword cyclone type of attack just doesn't feel right for heavy weapons - that seems more like a light weapon thing thematically, and to me keeping a solid theme for each power set is important. Plus HW already has a lot of great options for aoe damage. HW's spin attack is basically Arc of Ruin, and it does pretty good in that capacity - plus no goofy ballerina spinning.

It can work without looking stupid and not ballerina animation require (put the MA Sword Cyclone animation out of your mind, it doesnt fit HW at all)

Take Breath of the Wild spin attack with heavy weapons for example
http://i.imgur.com/qnGshh9.mp4 No preview because its a video and not a gif

See here, no Ballerina, Link is balancing his own body weight along the weapon's to spin

You can create a HW spin without falling out of the framework theme (which theme is attack like a Slug with a lot of lag apparently)

. Plus HW already has a lot of great options for aoe damage.

and more power choices never harmed anyone
more powers, more options, more possible combo theme builds to create
and CO needs more options for powers, more variety and customization

its not about the options of AoEs, its about the theme and the aesthetics of the powers to fit various themes

also no ****, the entire HW main theme is that all the attacks are AoE

HW's spin attack is basically Arc of Ruin, and it does pretty good in that capacity -

Not really, its really not
Arc of Ruin is just a huge diagonal slash
and arc of ruin main usage is applying utility DEBUFFS and not dealing damage​​

dialamx

Here's a decent "Giant Sword Spin Attack". Don't have to watch the whole video, you see it twice early on.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ik_OhADYb_8

rtma

So basically Cleave with a Sword Cyclone Butcher Adv styled Animation?

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lifeline99

There is also a non-JRPG game, that is like the second installment of a world based around a big war of collective guilds doing battle against baddies. That game uses big swords, that has great sword spin attack animations that look powerful, on top of that it propels the character forward, or shoots beamy-attacks depending on the profession. Another superhero game out there has a spinny great weapon attack as well, but that is more combo based, which this game does not support or, at least in that capacity. Heck you can actually throw your great big weapon as a projectile and have it return to you in that other superhero game. Then there are of course all the clones of Diablo itself that have spinny great weapon attacks. So yeah there are plenty of non Japanese examples where they exist.

I support spinny attack. +1

avianos

gradii wrote: »

Here's a decent "Giant Sword Spin Attack". Don't have to watch the whole video, you see it twice early on.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ik_OhADYb_8

is his sword literally growing with each swing?

He switch weapons per attack combo
also FF15, my friends owns it, very good game

rtma wrote: »

So basically Cleave with a Sword Cyclone Butcher Adv styled Animation?

YES and NO
I want an indetical power for HW but without the same way you spin and hold the weapon

especailly NOT the spin animation of Sword Cyclone, its a silly spinning T-POSE and doesn't fit heavy weapons at all. Copy pasting it for HW will just look stupid

and Cleave doesn't really have any animation pose fitting for it

I would say Skull Crusher charged attack would fit better with some modification​​

thekrazzee

Here's my suggestion for a possible spinning HW attack.

Havoc Spin [Tier 3]
Havoc Spin causes you to spin around with your weapon extended outward, using your weapon's weight to empower your spinning and damage anyone unlucky enough to be near you.
Animation: The user holds their Heavy Weapon outward and spins around.
Melee AoE Damage - Knock Down
+15 foot Sphere
+Maintain
-8 second recharge
+Deals Crushing and Fire damage to targets around you.
+Havoc Spin has a 10% chance to Knock Down affected targets. This chance is doubled on Disoriented targets.
Advantages
Burning Twister [2 Advantage Points]
+Havoc Spin's Fire damage is increased by 30%.
+Havoc Spin has a 10% chance to apply Clinging Flames.
+Fully maintaining Havoc Spin creates a Burning Patch at your location.
Momentous Rotation [2 Advantage Points]
+Havoc Spin's damage increases the longer you maintain it.
-Havoc Spin's Energy cost increases the longer you maintain it.
+Fully maintaining Havoc Spin applies Momentum on you. Momentum reduces the Charge Time of your Melee powers by 20% for 6 seconds.
You Spin Me Right Round [2 Advantage Points]
+Havoc Spin has a 10% chance to grant Reckless.
+While maintaining, Havoc Spin increases your Knock and Hold Resistance by 50% for each stack of Reckless on you.

avianos

thekrazzee wrote: »

Here's my suggestion for a possible spinning HW attack.

Havoc Spin

I LOVE IT!
I need this power in my life!
and you know, creating a Burning patch after spinning around does make sense (it's also an amusing idea)​​