Celestial Cleansing

aiqa

I'd like to see Celestial Cleansing reworked a bit. I do like the buff/debuff removal but I think that part of the power should work better, and also depend on who uses it. Healers should have a far more effective Cleansing than DPS builds for example.

A way to do this is to rework the buff/debuff removal into a -duration for buffs/debuff effect that you place on your target. The strength of that effect can then scale with heal bonus. This would mean a strong healer build could give someone a -100% duration to buff/debuff duration, effectively making them immune for a few seconds. While a dps build might do a -20% duration effect, which in effect would only reduce the durations by a few seconds since the duration just bumps back up after the -duration effect runs out.

roughbearmattach

Making it an AoE would be wonderful, and give it an adv to add a bit of heal, too, like Light Everlasting.

spinnytop

It still needs more.

avianos

This power needs to do more indeed
For the time being it feels super situational and a waste of a power slot​​

roughbearmattach

What about giving a CC resist buff (in addition to other effects)?

superalfgorn

Mmh despite having 4 chartacter pages with most of them leaning towards a support role I never used cleansing...

I am not even sure what it does right now, and what are the effects for ranking it up?

The suggestions I like so far:
-Make it PBAoE (15-20'?).
-Have it apply Illumination (Advantage).
-Add a cc %resistance (Advantage).
-Sentinel Role: remove 1 additional buffs/debuffs.

rtma

Or revamp Celestial Framework as a whole, give some DPS options along with reworking what we got, like give it's own Energy Unlock/Theme Debuff.

spinnytop

superalfgorn said:

I am not even sure what it does right now, and what are the effects for ranking it up?

Lower cooldown

aiqa

I think the Celestial Cleansing is already quite nice (and already have it on my healer), on top the the buff/debuff stuff it also removes travel powers and when used on an enemy places a 10% damage debuff on them. The only thing I really don't like is the buff/debuff removal part, that just picks 1 effect at random if it works at all (like... knock resist stacks on friendly targets). If that part is made to actually work properly, reliably and have scaling for support builds, in my opinion it would be a good power.

spinnytop

The problem with it is that there don't seem to be many instances in the game where the buff/debuff removal is actually useful. Certainly not more useful than another power would be in that slot, considering that other power can likely deal with the effects of that buff or debuff and also serve other functions when no buffs/debuffs are a concern. It's probably one of the most situational powers in the game, and that hurts it a lot.

aiqa

That is true, and that should be addressed, we need far more (and stronger) debuffs in CO. Most other games let support characters handle that to avoid support just be whack a mole with health bars, and I think that would work well in CO too.

spinnytop

Yeah, it'll likely have to be like CC where a fight basically requires a Cleanser to be on hand or we just can't do it.

aiqa

Or medium length (20 seconds or so) debuffs that do stuff like reduce your perception to -1000, or reduce incoming heals by 80%, or lower your damage by 75%, or lower your resistance by 100%.

If those would be added to a lair like TA (without overdoing it, so no AoE version), you can still run it without someone to remove those, but it would be far better to have them removed.

pantagruel01

I have celestial cleansing on my healer and it has uses, but I have to agree that they're very situational.

Note that a big part of the issue is that a lot of debuffs have to be made specifically immune to celestial cleansing, because if celestial cleansing could remove, say, Teleios's genetic siphon, it would totally break that fight. This means that the debuffs that remain are mostly minor in effect; the only debuff I've made an effort to remove is the -heal and -resist debuff granted when green crystals explode in Eidolon.

aiqa

That is a nice use, I sometimes use it for bionic shielding synergy too.