Fluidity

notyuu

A simple couple of changes to make fluidity actually usable at cosmic fights [subject for another thread, tl;dr fluidity = not viable for cosmic tanking]

1: Give Fluidity some resist [while keeping the dodge/avoid bonus] while active, for instance rank 1 gives you +50% rank 2 would be +100% and rank 3 would be +150%

That's literally it, of course this might seem a little a little unfair so a possible counter balance would be

1: You can not move while maintaining the block
2: Energy gained from the block is basically 0

spinnytop

100% chance to reduce all incoming damage by 86% already seems pretty strong. Fluidity is basically a Masterful Dodge on demand button at that point.

The counterbalances are some really limp softballs o3o

morigosa

Fluidity is not merely viable for cosmic tanking - it's a requirement if you're trying to tank cosmics with a 100% dodge build. However, outside of that tiny niche (I know of a grand total of two people who tank cosmics with LR - and I'm pretty sure the other one isn't a 100% dodge build), it's a completely useless power.

A better tradeoff for adding resistance to it would be removing its avoidance buff.

The other thing it needs is for r3 to grant significantly more than 30% dodge chance; something more like 60% dodge chance would allow some DPS builds to make use of the power, rather than relegating it to "must be using Lightning Reflexes or don't bother". (I wouldn't suggest buffing the dodge chances granted by r1 or r2, though.)

notyuu

spinnytop said:

100% chance to reduce all incoming damage by 86% already seems pretty strong. Fluidity is basically a Masterful Dodge on demand button at that point.

The counterbalances are some really limp softballs o3o

yeah... until the cosmics actually kill you in one hit because their attacks [even when dodged] apply a dodge debuffer which cuts 128% dodge chance down to 40% in only 20 seconds....and lets not forget the damage resist debuff they have piled in with that, so your effective resist is 10%....
u die... the alternative to this would be making the dodge debuffer into an avoidance debuffer isntead.

roughbearmattach

Does Fluidity count as "blocking" when hit by "block or die" attacks?
Last time I used this block, it did not, and I removed it from the couple toons I used that had it.

notyuu

roughbearmattach said:

Does Fluidity count as "blocking" when hit by "block or die" attacks?
Last time I used this block, it did not, and I removed it from the couple toons I used that had it.

It does, however due to the def-debuff effects also comming with dodge debuff effects... you're **** is still gonna so splat.

morigosa

Which dodge debuff are you referring to? I'll admit, I haven't taken my dodge tank to Eidolon yet (because we always seem to need more competent DPS rather than another tank), but the dodge debuff from Teleiosaurus doesn't apply if you're blocking (including using fluidity). And the dodge debuff from Kigatilik doesn't stack or apply -resist. For dino, it's simple: block the breath. If you get the timing off and take one or even two stacks of the breath debuff, that's when to hit Masterful Dodge.

notyuu

morigosa said:

Which dodge debuff are you referring to? I'll admit, I haven't taken my dodge tank to Eidolon yet (because we always seem to need more competent DPS rather than another tank), but the dodge debuff from Teleiosaurus doesn't apply if you're blocking (including using fluidity). And the dodge debuff from Kigatilik doesn't stack or apply -resist. For dino, it's simple: block the breath. If you get the timing off and take one or even two stacks of the breath debuff, that's when to hit Masterful Dodge.

The damage resist debuff that the cosmics general attacks apply... also come with a nasty dose of dodge debuffer to boot....both of roughly -60% in potency...

srsly, take a dodge tank, go get directly hit by a cosmic, and watch your dodge [and damage resist] drop like a rock

morigosa

Which cosmics are you talking about? I've encountered no such debuff from anything I've taken my dodge tank up against. For that matter, I've encountered no such resist debuff on my resist-based tanks. I can definitely verify that no such mechanic is present on Kigatilik, Teleiosaurus, Qwjibo, any of the TA bosses, or even the current Clarence fights. Is this maybe something that only shows up in the Q-zone OMs?

spinnytop

notyuu said:

roughbearmattach said:

Does Fluidity count as "blocking" when hit by "block or die" attacks?
Last time I used this block, it did not, and I removed it from the couple toons I used that had it.

It does, however due to the def-debuff effects also comming with dodge debuff effects... you're **** is still gonna so splat.

Ive never encountered such a debuff that stacked despite being blocked though. Which cosmic does that?


Are you perhaps letting yourself get hit by attacks you should be blocking? I know you're quite in love with golden knight's survivability so I could imagine you doing something like that.

notyuu

spinnytop said:

notyuu said:

roughbearmattach said:

Does Fluidity count as "blocking" when hit by "block or die" attacks?
Last time I used this block, it did not, and I removed it from the couple toons I used that had it.

It does, however due to the def-debuff effects also comming with dodge debuff effects... you're **** is still gonna so splat.

Ive never encountered such a debuff that stacked despite being blocked though. Which cosmic does that?


Are you perhaps letting yourself get hit by attacks you should be blocking? I know you're quite in love with golden knight's survivability so I could imagine you doing something like that.

I'll put it this way, I constructed a toon that when using fluidity had 122% dodge chance, I then went over to the ape, poked them, kept my block up constnatly...and after roughly 30 seconds I got 1-shot and it said I didn't dodge, so I repeated the test, having my character sheet open this time, and with every hit I took [and dodged] my dodge went down by roughly 5%.. tried vs the other cosmics [cept kiga] and same result... this was a few monts back thou.. so idk if the devs removed it or changed it...

morigosa

For my curiosity: how did you get 122% dodge chance using fluidity? I mean, I can imagine getting up that high using a combination of other powers and devices in addition to fluidity, but none of those buffs last very long (even the travel power based ones will get disabled by cosmics sooner or later).
I can't think of any way that would let you get that sort of number just standing there holding block.

Maybe there was something like that and it got changed? Or maybe r3 fluidity is bugged? (I'm assuming you used r3 - I run with r2 + flow like the river.) I don't know - I most recently brought my dodge tank out for a couple of dino kills a week or two ago, and she worked just fine.

notyuu

morigosa said:

For my curiosity: how did you get 122% dodge chance using fluidity? I mean, I can imagine getting up that high using a combination of other powers and devices in addition to fluidity, but none of those buffs last very long (even the travel power based ones will get disabled by cosmics sooner or later).
I can't think of any way that would let you get that sort of number just standing there holding block.

Maybe there was something like that and it got changed? Or maybe r3 fluidity is bugged? (I'm assuming you used r3 - I run with r2 + flow like the river.) I don't know - I most recently brought my dodge tank out for a couple of dino kills a week or two ago, and she worked just fine.

4 buddies with 700 pre AoPM on team in support role + specs, gear, mods and devices that boost dodge. put it up to 92%... then the 30% from r3 fludiity kicked it over to 122