Combo Effect Mods

servantrules

This is already done to some extent to vehicles, so why not Equips, too? Having mods that modify 2 or 3 stats add more variety and possibilities to builds. Now, of course, they should be balanced by having far lower bonuses than single bonus mods. For instance, a Level V usually gives a bonus of +57 to 1 stat, so a combo mod could give +20/+15 to 2 different stats instead.

Or how about mods that have huge bonuses, but also substantial penalties? A level V mod that adds +70 to a stat seems enticing, but balanced by a -30 to a different stat.

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servantrules

gradii said:

Mods which subtract stats can result in negative stats which would not work very well lol. The other parts of your suggestion sound good though.

There's probably a way to code it so that the minimum stats never go below 5. The large bonus needs to be offset by something to avoid or minimize abuse. Perhaps instead of straight stat reduction, a derived stat (hp, energy, defense, etc.) would be affected instead.

servantrules

Revisiting this idea with some examples, borrowing the CO Talent/Perk names:

Combo Effect Attribute mods Ranks and bonuses:
I= +14/+14
II= +16/+16
III = +19/+19
IV = +23/+23
V = +25/+25
VI = +27/+27
VII = +29/+29
VIII = +31/+31
IX = +33/+33

Martial Focus Enhancement (Arms)
+STR/+DEX
Body Builder Enhancement (Arms)
+STR/+END
Accurate Enhancement (Arms)
+DEX/+END
Academic Enhancement (Science)
+INT/+EGO
Diplomatic Enhancement (Science)
+INT/+PRE
Prodigy Enhancement (Mysticism)
+PRE/+END

spinnytop

Definitely no on penalties o3o

raighn

servantrules said:

gradii said:

Mods which subtract stats can result in negative stats which would not work very well lol. The other parts of your suggestion sound good though.

There's probably a way to code it so that the minimum stats never go below 5. The large bonus needs to be offset by something to avoid or minimize abuse. Perhaps instead of straight stat reduction, a derived stat (hp, energy, defense, etc.) would be affected instead.

Penalties would absolutely HAVE to be from the extra stats... Here's why: Example mod +70 Str -30 Ego

2 senerios:
1) no minimum stat - result possibility of having -25 in the Ego stat
2) minimum stat 5 - result builds that use Str but not Ego have zero penalty.

Additionally the penalties would have to be paired strategically with the bonuses... For example a large bonus to Con might be paired with a penalty to defense or a large bonus to Pre might have a penalty to Offense...

servantrules

raighn said:

Additionally the penalties would have to be paired strategically with the bonuses... For example a large bonus to Con might be paired with a penalty to defense or a large bonus to Pre might have a penalty to Offense...

Yeah, the derived stats would probably be the better option to apply penalties to since there are already effects in the game that does the same. Perhaps something like these:

Massive
Large +CON/Moderate -DEF

Bullheaded
Large +EGO/Moderate -Max Energy

Charismatic
Large +PRE/Moderate -Offense

Lithe
Large +DEX/Moderate -Max Health

Berzerk
Large +STR/Moderate -All Damage Resistance

spinnytop

Some of those would quickly be filed under "never use" and others would be filed under "penalty doesn't matter"... I'm tellin' ya, abandon that penalty idea, it's just not good.

servantrules

spinnytop said:

Some of those would quickly be filed under "never use" and others would be filed under "penalty doesn't matter"... I'm tellin' ya, abandon that penalty idea, it's just not good.

Well, really, I'd be happy if they just do the 2 Stats combo bonus in one mod version. The "Larger bonus with small penalty" version is so there's some way to offset the bigger bonus vs. the regular mods does. And yeah, I'm sure there will be some mods used more than others, but that's the case as is (I mean, how many people really slot END mods. Not a lot, I'd imagine). But, if this were ever to happen, then all stats need to be represented...

... then again, we're still waiting on the rest of the special mod drops along with Depleted Uranium Core and the Left/Right Eye of the Dragon.

spinnytop

servantrules said:

(I mean, how many people really slot END mods. Not a lot, I'd imagine).

I have three characters that have End slotted u3u


Main reason I don't think these mods would need a penalty is cause the mod in the game that basically does what you're saying doesn't have a penalty.

notyuu

what if you ditch the penalty and just make them combi-mods... for example a rank 7 acrobatic mod would give you +31 con and dex

servantrules

notyuu said:

what if you ditch the penalty and just make them combi-mods... for example a rank 7 acrobatic mod would give you +31 con and dex

Yeah, that's one of the ideas. The template is already in the game with the Vehicle mods that give 2 bonuses or 3 if it reaches Rank 6+. Translating it into Gear mods would take some work, but the mechanics are there.

spinnytop

Also that one mod that subscribers get. It has two different stats on it, and no penalty.