multielement idea

markhawkman

So I had an idea for a comic book character, and then started pondering if I could make a Champions character out of it. The basic idea is that the character is part human but also a descendant of the Greek Titans. This gives her superhuman strength, the ability to become a giant, and durability, but also the ability to manipulate earth, fire, water and ice. I kinda visualized the character using primarily unarmed melee, with the elements used for defensive abilities or ranged attacks. TPs are easy to choose thematically, ice slide, fire flight, earth flight.... Not sure how well something like this would work though.

flowcyto

Here's one way to mix em all for a sturdy hybrid:

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Chiller
Level 6: Acrobat
Level 9: Boundless Reserves
Level 12: Accurate
Level 15: Quick Recovery
Level 18: Impresario
Level 21: Amazing Stamina

Powers:
Level 1: Wield Earth
Level 1: Beatdown (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Land Slide
Level 8: Form of the Tempest
Level 11: Regeneration (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 14: Pyre (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Thermal Reverberation
Level 20: Flashfire (Rank 2)
Level 23: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Ice Barrier (Rank 2, Frigid Freedom)
Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 32: Ice Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
Level 38: Fractal Aegis (Rank 2, Rank 3)

Travel Powers:
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations:
Dexterity: Combat Training (2/3)
Dexterity: Gear Utilization (3/3)
Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Elusive (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Dexterity Mastery (1/1)

Keeps up Flashfire for TReverb energy, and Pyre for AoE can also proc TReverb. Main boss killer is charged Haymaker, though Beatdown gives you a cheaper, KB-free ways to kill off weak targets. Gears mostly for the 3 SS's listed.

superalfgorn

Something like this might work.....

This is a tankish build (note that the build on the PTS will drastically change the tanking advantages).

If you want a more dps route drop the tank advantages, pick up AoPM, and change END to DEX.

Note that if you are willing to drop the electricity part you might drop Ball Lightning in favor of the heal from the Fire framework (I cannot remember the name and its not in Powerhouse unfortunately).


PowerHouse   (Link to this build)

Name:

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Master
Level 6: Covert Ops Training
Level 9: Martial Training
Level 12: Paramilitary Training
Level 15: Survival Training
Level 18: Acrobat
Level 21: Martial Focus

Powers:
Level 1: Wield Earth
Level 1: Onslaught (Rank 2, Excessive Force, Challenging Strikes)
Level 6: Defiance
Level 8: Enrage (Endorphin Rush, Giant Growth)
Level 11: Mighty Leap (Bull Rush)
Level 14: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 17: Ice Cage (Crippling Challenge)
Level 20: Fissure (Rank 2, Reconstruct)
Level 23: Flashfire (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Thermal Reverberation
Level 29: Ball Lightning (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Stone Shroud (Rank 2)
Level 35: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 38: Masterful Dodge

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Fire Flight (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Ice Slide

Specializations:
Strength: Swole (3/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (2/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Initiative (2/2)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (3/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

markhawkman

ooohh... interesting. But:
@flowcyto : does that one make the character larger?
@Superalfgorn : I didn't want lightning. enh.

reiwulf

a bit too powerful as a character concept IMO, but again, it is not my character XD

markhawkman

what? comics have lots of characters that are demigods.... why not a demititan?

reiwulf

sure there are, but most of them either get the super strenght/invulnerability or get to master the elements, not all at once.
but like I said, it's just a matter of personal preferences, I try to make my chars not too powerful, butyou have to do what you want it is your character after all

markhawkman

I've always liked SUPER characters more than guys like Batman.

superalfgorn

markhawkman said:

ooohh... interesting. But:
@flowcyto : does that one make the character larger?
@Superalfgorn : I didn't want lightning. enh.

problem solved go for the heal then

Oh, Fractal Aegis (as Flow suggested) is also a good idea for an Ice power in a tankish build

And no, the first build by Flow has no giant growth.

flowcyto

Oh yea I forgot ya wanted giant growth- my bad. Still feasible to build around that (via Enrage + Str), though.

PowerHouse (Link to this build)

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Behemoth
Level 6: Physical Conditioning
Level 9: Accurate
Level 12: Bodybuilder
Level 15: Quick Recovery
Level 18: Relentless
Level 21: Amazing Stamina

Powers:
Level 1: Wield Earth
Level 1: Onslaught (Rank 2, Excessive Force)
Level 6: Land Slide
Level 8: Regeneration (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Thermal Reverberation
Level 14: Enrage (Endorphin Rush, Giant Growth)
Level 17: Pyre (Rank 2, Backdraft)
Level 20: Flashfire (Rank 2)
Level 23: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Ice Barrier (Rank 2, Frigid Freedom)
Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 32: Ice Shield (Rank 2)
Level 35: Ego Surge (Nimble Mind)
Level 38: Fractal Aegis (Rank 2, Rank 3)

Travel Powers:
Level 6:
Level 35:

Specializations:
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Juggernaut (2/3)
Strength: Overpower (1/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Elusive (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Its Str-focused instead of Dex-focused. Most of the powers don't change, though. Namely, Onslaught w/ its adv instead of Beatdown, but fills the same function of a basic attack.

markhawkman

Ah, cool, thanks guys.

markhawkman

How do you unlock onslaught? I don't see it as an option on creation. So I'm, going with beatdown for now.

flowcyto

Only T0 powers appear during hero creation, even if you get the matching T0 end builder for that powerset. You can change that once ya get to a PH in-game pretty easily. Onslaught will then be avail in the 2nd slot as long as ur end builder is Wield Earth.

markhawkman

Ah, got it, it's there now.

markhawkman

Kaizerin said:

Ego Surge
Nimble Mind: No longer applies a scaling crit chance buff based on your con stat. Now applies an additional chance to crit with attacks based on the number of Ego Leech stacks you have.

Soo... how would this change affect the build?

flowcyto

rofl, you don't have the ask the same question 3 times, dude. The answer is the same- if ur not using a Telekinesis build, then you may not want ES/NM as the AO now. You can always take another AO there, or an ultimate, or any other power you like.

markhawkman

I wasn't sure if the answer would be the same for each case. Mostly I just don't know which is best for that specific character, or which ones that character can use due to prereqs, if any..

flowcyto

You can just take Ice Sheath or Imbue, if you want to replace ES/NM but keep an AO.

markhawkman

thanks.

markhawkman

Well, this build actually used Wardicator, should I change anything?

flowcyto

sigh.. I actually wouldn't even recommend this old build, tbh. There's been many power revamps since, so you may want to start from scratch with it- esp if there's new powers that could interest you.

If its going to be primarily melee, though, then you can use Brawler w/ Warden or Vind instead of Wardicator, or try Warden + Guardian if you want a mix of defense and dps similar to the old Wardicator.

markhawkman

well, I've been doing Cosmic hunting, and I actually find myself generally liking the skill setup.... though I only rarely use onslaught.... Though to be fair, I usually don't act as main tank, either soak tank or baby tank. I have on occasion ended up as main though. I also tank event bosses when Tanya's participating in those.

bulgarex

You know, if your character is descended from Titans, there are a few official Champs supers linked to Greek mythology that you could put in her background as having interactions with. That includes Atlas, a member of Philadelphia's Liberty League hero team, who claims to be the original Atlas. (He's probably an avatar of said Titan.)

markhawkman

Interesting, I hadn't really thought out that aspect of the background, thanks!

markhawkman

I double checked the current build and here is the exact build I'm using:

wrote:

Archetype: Freeform

Super Stats:
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Constitution (Secondary)
Level 15: Endurance (Secondary)

Talents:
Level 1: The Behemoth
Level 6: Physical Conditioning
Level 9: Accurate
Level 12: Bodybuilder
Level 15: Quick Recovery
Level 18: Relentless
Level 21: Amazing Stamina

Powers:
Level 1: Wield Earth
Level 1: Onslaught (none) (I just don't use it often)
Level 6: Land Slide
Level 8: Regeneration (Rank 2, Rank 3) (why does this say 4/0 points spent?)
Level 11: Thermal Reverberation
Level 14: Enrage (Endorphin Rush)
Level 17: Pyre (Backdraft)
Level 20: Flashfire (none)
Level 23: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge)
Level 26: Moonstruck (Moonlight) (Seriously considering Nightmare but if I do I'd probably drop Flashfire)
Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 32: Ice Shield (Rank 2, 3)
Level 35: Ice Sheath (rank 2)
Level 38: Fractal Aegis (Rank 2, Rank 3)(thinking about adding Chilling Reminder)

Travel Powers:
Level 6: Blazing Acrobatics (rank 2, 3)
Level 35: Earth Flight(none)

Specializations:
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Juggernaut (2/3)
Strength: Overpower (1/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Elusive (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Yeah, I have 7 unspent adv points. When I rebuilt I spent on what I'd actually been using and skipped the other stuff. I replaced ice barrier with Moonstruck because Moonstruck doesn't break every time Teliosaurus bites me. Also the bonus resist is useful. And yeah, I swapped out Ego Surge because it got changed. So based on that what do you think would need to be tweaked or changed? I'm def committed to using the character as a tank more than melee DPS.

Here's my current gear:

Yeah, the mods could be better, most are rank 5.

flowcyto

Well, here's how I may mix Might w/ Fire, Earth, and Ice for this build:

https://aesica.net/co/herocreator.htm?v=29&n=&d=11830WAQFP9a1A00F0I000I303JE0C9A032D00NM0XK503JK032E03ON0159035601I9002Q0010gw3T3B2MGB

Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Endurance (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)

Talents
Level 1: The Devastator (Str: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 10, End: 8)
Level 6: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)
Level 9: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
Level 12: Bodybuilder (Str: 5, End: 5)
Level 15: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 21: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)

Powers
Level 1: Wield Earth (advantages)
Level 1: Tremor (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Enrage (Endorphin Rush, Giant Growth)
Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Thermal Reverberation
Level 14: Moonstruck (Rank 2, Nightmare)
Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Rimefire Burst (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 29: Ice Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Ice Sheath (Rank 2)
Level 35: Land Slide (advantages)
Level 38: Fiery Embrace (advantages)
Adv. Points: 34/36

Travel Powers
Level 6: Blazing Acrobatics (advantages)
Level 35: Earth Flight (advantages)

Specializations
Strength: Swole (2/3)
Strength: Physical Peak (3/3)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Juggernaut (3/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Elusive (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (3/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (2/3)
Mastery: Strength Mastery (1/1)

Kept Wardicator just cause its a ranged/melee mix build, and cause you're using gear that has a good offense and defense bonuses, but you can do fine w/ other spec options (depending on your focus). I assume you have Moonstruck unlocked, and if so then you can use it and Rimefire to proc TReverb. Tremor can be your main AoE and Haymaker your boss killer.

I am unsure if this was meant to be a tank, but I built it based on it being a hybrid-dps that could still take some hits (but then its main stat would be Str, not Con as much).

markhawkman

Flowcyto wrote:

I am unsure if this was meant to be a tank,

O_o'

marhawkman wrote:

I replaced ice barrier with Moonstruck because Moonstruck doesn't break every time Teliosaurus bites me.

The last time Tanya got chewed on by Teliosaurus was Monday. Yeah, I've been using her as a tank as much as I can.

Yes, I've been using a Regen Tank for Cosmics. Part of why I went to all the trouble of unlocking Moonstruck actually. It makes Regen better.

flowcyto

Oh, well I'm not sure I'd take Regen to Cosmics. Defiance (or even Invuln) would be preferable, though I guess if you're just an off-tank then it can still work. You could take ranks out to afford some Challenge advs, and then replace a non-essential power w/ R1 MD. For ex:

Powers
Level 1: Wield Earth (advantages)
Level 1: Tremor (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
Level 6: Enrage (Endorphin Rush, Giant Growth)
Level 8: Invulnerability (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Thermal Reverberation
Level 14: Moonstruck (Nightmare, Challenge!)
Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
Level 23: Rimefire Burst (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 29: Ice Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Imbue (advantages)
Level 35: Masterful Dodge (advantages)
Level 38: Fiery Embrace (advantages)
Adv. Points: 34/36

The self-res could also be replaced w/ Ice's ult w/ the threat adv, esp if you have recovery devices (since its thematic anyways- don't really have to rank the ult up beyond the 1pt adv either). Could also change one of the specs for Protector if you think you need more of a survival boost.

markhawkman

Does having Challenge on several things actually work? AFAIK it doesn't stack and is thus several ways to apply it. Chilling Reminder on the Ult apparently does stack with Challenge.

flowcyto

You prob should have it on at least one attack that you regularly use for single targets and on one you regularly use for AoE, and yeah the Ult adv stacks w/ it.

markhawkman

So would this build work properly if I was to just swap regen for invuln?

flowcyto

It should work fine- at least it shouldn't take a significant difference in playstyle to make the swap. Defiance may, since you have to make sure you can keep getting hit w/ it, but then you also have 4 free adv points (from not having to rank it) and get lotsa extra energy to work with.

markhawkman

How's this?

Powers
Level 1: Wield Earth (advantages)
Level 1: Tremor (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 6: Enrage (Endorphin Rush, Giant Growth)
Level 8: Regeneration (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Thermal Reverberation
Level 14: Moonstruck (Moonlight, Nightmare, Challenge!)
Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)
Level 23: Rimefire Burst (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 29: Ice Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Imbue (advantages)(what's this do? Is it an AO?)
Level 35: Masterful Dodge (advantages)
Level 38: Fractal Aegis (Chilling Reminder)
Adv. Points: 35/36

Wait... this one doesn't have a lunge.

flowcyto

Imbue is an AO, yeah, and although it doesn't state it, its crit/severity bonus increases when you pop it at lower health %ages. You don't necc need 2 AOs as a tank, though- if you want to get something else that can boost your survival, mobility, or utility (depending on what you think you lack).

markhawkman

So what would you replace with Land Slide? Obv I don't use it much when tanking Cosmics but outside that I use it a lot just for the movement ability. I like the visual it has since more often than not I stand on a rock and smash it into the enemy's face.

Wait isn't conviction considered an AD? Wouldn't that conflict with using Aegis? (and maybe MD?)

flowcyto

I'd prob replace Ice Sheath or Imbue with the lunge (or w/e) here.

Conviction isn't an AD; its just a small, short-cd self-heal. AD's are labelled as such, and are more like burst tanking cds; they all have the same long-ish cds, and a have a shorter shared cd (to prevent chaining them too much).

Also, Aegis is also *not* an AD- its a defensive Ult that you can use independent of the ADs. You're actual ADs here are MD and Resurgence.

markhawkman

Hmm how much uptime would I have with MD?

flowcyto

I dunno. Much of that depends on gear (namely, w/ cd reduction and/or Int). Its base cd is 1.5 mins, and its uptime (regardless of rank) is 15 sec. You also have to keep in mind the shared cd if you recently used Resurgence.

Its a burst mitigation tool ('tank cd', if you will). You're not generally meant to have high uptime on it, given its very strong effects.

markhawkman

Hmm how much defensive ability would it give me given that I'm not geared for dodge at all? (Lautna is but Tanya isn't)

flowcyto

Working w/ base dodge/avoidance, MD puts you well past 100% dodge and around 50-55% avoidance at R1, so for non-dodge setups its effectively halving your dmg taken for the duration.

markhawkman

Ah, i see, thanks.

markhawkman

Here's the power list I finally went with. Yes I kept putting it off for several months.

Powers
-Level 1: Wield Earth (advantages)-
-Level 1: Tremor (Rank 2, Rank 3)-
-Level 6: Enrage (Endorphin Rush)-
-Level 8: Regeneration (Rank 2, Rank 3)-
-Level 11: Thermal Reverberation ()-
-Level 14: Moonstruck (Moonlight, Nightmare, Challenge!)-
-Level 17: Fiery Embrace
-Level 20: Haymaker (Rank 2, Rank 3, Challenge!)-
-Level 23: Rimefire Burst (Rank 2, Rank 3)-
-Level 26: Resurgence (Rank 2)
-Level 29: Ice Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)-
-Level 32: Imbue (advantages)-
-Level 35: Land Slide ()-
-Level 38: Fractal Aegis (Chilling Reminder)-
Adv. Points: 33/36

Decided I REALLY wanted a self-rez, because that's one of the things I'd wished I'd had in the old build.