Rage of the Phoenix - Fire based Enrage

raighn

The concept came up in another thread, so I figured I'd post it over here...

A new enrage form that stacks off Clinging Flames applications

chaosdrgnz43

I'd prefer "Rage of the Pheonix" as a form for ranged fire users.
For melee fire users, it would probably be another form called, "Fiery Rage" or "Burning Rage".

Kinda similar to Chilled Form and Concentration.

raighn

If they were to add a ranged & a melee version that'd be cool too...

Honestly I'd absolutely love to see a from each powerset someday...

dakrushmor

Yes plz. Seems to be incredibly cool to have enrage, that procs of burning. For heavy weapon builds and not only. lmagine a tank, that'll keep its rage continuously by exhaling firebreath, argh!..

spinnytop

Seems to have way too narrow a field of application. Forms generally have more general application.

raighn

spinnytop said:

Seems to have way too narrow a field of application. Forms generally have more general application.

Lets see about that...

Enrage - Knocks
Form of the Swordsman - Bleeds
Aspect of the Bestial - Bleeds
Aspect of the Infernal - Poisons
Form of the Master - Dodge
Form of the Tiger - Full Charge
Form of the Tempest - Crits
Compassion - Healing
Manipulator - Holds
Concentration - Maintains, Half Charge, 20ft+
Chilled Form - Maintains, Half Charge, 20ft+
Aspect of the Machine - On Kill
Mental Discipline - Non-stacking, Enhances Ego Leech Stacks
IDF - Non-stacking

Nope... they are NOT "generally more general application". In fact they are generally specific application. There are really only 2 forms on that list that can truly be considered "general" for their stacking mechanic, Tempest & Machine. Everything else needs powers that either apply specific conditions or have specific activations, or in the case of FotM requires a specific build type...

And regardless, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having forms with narrow fields of application.

notyuu

what about having it grant a buff that works like AoTM but stacks whenever you apply clinging flames?

raighn

notyuu said:

what about having it grant a buff that works like AoTM but stacks whenever you apply clinging flames?

that could work too

vonqball

Is there any toggle that exactly mirrors the requirements of an energy unlock tho? I thought they were trying to avoid that... Thinking about it, the new MA unlock and FotT do overlap completely. Still seems odd to me, but it clearly isn't unprecedented.

Personally, I'd like to see some more creative use of toggles. Like making the ranged&melee damage buff equal the lower-tier bonus of other toggles... but giving charge-reduction per stack, or cost discount, or a (selfish) defensive buff. Lots of fun stuffs could be done with toggles.

raighn

vonqball said:

Is there any toggle that exactly mirrors the requirements of an energy unlock tho? I thought they were trying to avoid that... Thinking about it, the new MA unlock and FotT do overlap completely. Still seems odd to me, but it clearly isn't unprecedented.

Personally, I'd like to see some more creative use of toggles. Like making the ranged&melee damage buff equal the lower-tier bonus of other toggles... but giving charge-reduction per stack, or cost discount, or a (selfish) defensive buff. Lots of fun stuffs could be done with toggles.

Technically speaking... Mental Discipline & Ego Reverb mirror eachother's requirements exactly... they both only work off stacks of Ego Leech...

pantagruel01

vonqball said:

Is there any toggle that exactly mirrors the requirements of an energy unlock tho?

Yes. Concentration scales off of the stats used by Killer Instinct, Hunter's Instinct, Ego Reverberation, and Molecular Self-Assembly, and Form of the X scales with the stat used by the new MA unlock. Less relevantly, Manipulator and Compassion scale with the stat used by Telepathic Reverb.

spinnytop

raighn said:

Enrage - Knocks
Form of the Swordsman - Bleeds
Aspect of the Bestial - Bleeds
Aspect of the Infernal - Poisons
Form of the Master - Dodge
Form of the Tiger - Full Charge
Form of the Tempest - Crits
Compassion - Healing
Manipulator - Holds
Concentration - Maintains, Half Charge, 20ft+
Chilled Form - Maintains, Half Charge, 20ft+
Aspect of the Machine - On Kill
Mental Discipline - Non-stacking, Enhances Ego Leech Stacks
IDF - Non-stacking

Everything on this list has vastly more general application than the form you are proposing.

You are proposing a melee form whose best framework for proccing is ranged. Think about that. It's not even remotely unclear what narrow application you're trying to promote here.

raighn

I'm proposing a melee form that's framework for procing is the newly reworked Heavy Weapons... since the changes to heavyweapons simultaniously made it increadibly slow to build enrage with it and difficult to maintain enrage due to cleave losing it's enrage proc and getting a knock down that for some reason refuses to stack enrage.

By all means they can make 2 forms a melee and a ranged one both procing off Clinging Flames... or they could make it a melee/range form like AotM that procs off clinging flames... I proposed it as an Enrage form to help rectify the problem the recent HW changes created.

avianos

New forms are always welcomed in my books!

Chilled Form was a nice Addition​​ with a nice Icon to look at

spinnytop

Ah it's fine, after all you can suggest anything you like ^_^

soulforger

hm...I like the idea actually, and for all intents and purposes it should give the AotMachine buff. For clinging fire is both a ranged and melee thing.