The very first sentence in the OP makes it clear(well, except to you) that the title is a sarcastic dig at the people who say that kind of thing seriously.
while I think the new villain thing is pretty cool and might in fact bring some people back to play the game. we all have different opinions on what "new content" actually means. I'm a very visual person, I get interested in things that look different, fresh and new. and to me actual new content means a new zone, new enemies,stuff that wasn't previously in game, not just stuff that was already in game and changed places. Like I said, we all have different views on what "new content" mean for us all, I'm sure that for some new lockboxes/costumes/vehicles count as new content, but to many of us it doesn't. I just don't really get why the devs keep resisting to make new maps and zones. it's not that difficult. I feel they have changed many other stuff that require more work. I think pretty much everyone would agree that they would enjoy a new zone. they could make it like Neverwinter and make it a campaign zone, that doesn't even require a change i level cap. To me, the lack of new mapsand zones is just a sign that cryptic doesn't wan't to invest any serious work in the game, and they prefer to keep things as they are, which brings them a small but stable income.
we all have different opinions on what "new content" actually means.
This is true and following it up with an explanation of why you think your own definition of content is more valid than anyone else's would just be disingenuous.
At the end of the day, going by the most objective measure: It's all content. If it's something you do in the game, it's content. Just like everything inside a bucket comprises the contents of the bucket.
Just because you personally don't like something, or aren't excited by it, doesn't make it not content.
For example, I personally am not particularly excited about the idea of a new zone. It's still content.
it's all content, maybe. but compare the new content we get in here compared to any other MMO. that's the whole point of it. CO could be much much more than it is now. but it seems that some people prefer it to be in its current state. this baffles me.
Would a new zone actually attract that many players? I hear mostly crickets when I'm outside MC. There are multiple zones now that don't get much use at all. What kind of new zone would really end up drawing people in? Another urban environment? What kind? I don't ask this sarcastically. I really am curious what kind of new content would get people out of Ren Cen on a permanent basis.
a new zone could be made in two ways (or maybe more) one would be to actually raise the level cap and make a new zone for that. it could be hard because many other things might need changes too, but it's still a way other MMOs do it all the time. a "capaign" zone where you don't level up but do get other perks and boons. they could make a system like in Neverwinter where you gain points to unlock various stuff like more HP, more def, more healing, or even just new costumes, since we are in CO would make people play the new zones. About the zone itself, it would depend on what the devs want. if we think about various superhero themed environnements, maybe a space themed thing? we have a few but none of them are really zones by themselves, but included in lairs or quests.
Now first things first, how much money do those other games have coming in?
Are those expansions free or do they have to pay to play them?
I know someone was going on about how many expansions TSW gets but you have to pay just to download that game and you have to pay for each expansion.Including if you are subbed.
do they have end game gear tiers?
end game raid/dungeon/whatevers?
hopefully you're not referring to, what were they called by other players in NW, Sharanderp, Dead ring, Ice wind fail, Well of dailies. Yes I've been playing that. I got sick of it, again ,after well of dragons.
That, here, would involve people;
1. complaining they can only do them once per day. Here the preferred option for people would be , as much as you want so I can get it all done as fast as possible. See Rampage and event farming for examples.
2. complaining it takes too long.
3. complaining that the rewards aren't worth the effort.
4. Only doing the one with the best rewards from their veiwpoint.
5. complaining that there's no reason to do it(well apart from the point squeezers, who may be able to get a few more points in their builds)
6. then complaining, I've done it all, there's nothing to do. When are we getting something new.
Anytime you do those, you have to keep on doing those and this requires a constant LARGE stream of money. This game has enough trouble getting people to pay for anything.
oh so I guess it's better to have nothing at all, because people will complain. is that right? sometimes I get the impression that some people think this game is fine as it is and nothing should be added.
I like how there adding something to keep people busy with onslaught, It's a lot better than standing around most of the time get those hero muscles going, It is better than nothing at all.
I did pitched in to help the game when I went LTS last birthday, I paid the full 299.99 but awhile a discounted lifetime was cheaper if i had waited, I felt better by just helping out so no matter for me the condision it was in I felt paying the full price was worth a shot to help them out I am kind that way.
"I'll never look back I've got no regrets Cause time doesn't wait for me I choose to go my own way."
oh so I guess it's better to have nothing at all, because people will complain. is that right? sometimes I get the impression that some people think this game is fine as it is and nothing should be added.
And who do you believe thinks that? I don't think I have ever, in the past few years, seen a single person say "the game is fine and nothing should be added"... so I'm really curious. Is it Chaelk? Because I can assure you Chaelk has never said that.
First up learn some English. English is my third tongue yet I don't type like Yoda. I will reply "to be cynic" when I understand what the hell you are on about
Really ? i understand when you type but you're not understand when i type ? Strange, but probably this means you're better than me, no doubt. Then if you're as good in foreign languages as you said, you will "perhaps" be able to understand me correctly in another language i speak perfectly this time. "Je pense que tu es souvent à la rue dans tes points de vue et comme toute personne à la pensée étroite, tu refuses de voir et surtout de comprendre l'avis des autres quand cela touche à ton petit jeu chéri et à cet égard fais preuve d'un maximum de mauvaise foi et d'agressivité inutile envers les autres, l'argument des faibles dirons nous, en tentant de toucher à leur crédibilité comme seule argumentation." I wish you good luck if this can help you. If it's not sufficient, i suggest you to try to learn it, or perhaps i can try with another language too. Be free to ask
I only learn languages that actually matter
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I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Personally, I'd love a new zone to run around in because I try to level up as much as possible through missions, rather than alerts (for me alerts are mostly for farming Q and Gs). I'd prefer another city. Many's the time, however, when I'm the only person in Lemuria, or one of a handful in Vibora Bay. I just see a lot of underutilized existing zones. It'd be nice to see some new features being added to them. E.g. some new lairs (also review the old ones).
oh so I guess it's better to have nothing at all, because people will complain. is that right? sometimes I get the impression that some people think this game is fine as it is and nothing should be added.
And who do you believe thinks that? I don't think I have ever, in the past few years, seen a single person say "the game is fine and nothing should be added"... so I'm really curious. Is it Chaelk? Because I can assure you Chaelk has never said that.
Foxi dont feed the D&D'rs. They have been like the mortal enemy of Champs players since the 1980s.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
CoH had less cartoonish style, but CoH also had better written characters and stories.
STO has less cartoony look, but STO also is better written than CO.
CO is a second-hand copy of the Adam West Batman mixed with Sunbow cartoon, so it hardly needs anything more realistic.
If CO suddenly got a STO-like graphics it would look simply weird considering how this game reads. Just imagine graphics stylised like a modern superhero movie or TV show with CO's trying-so-hard-to-be-funny-but-still-failing NPC banter.
Even now with the Supervillains Onslaught you are given basically a Sunbow-style villain plot about Teleos doing cloning because "teh evulz", so I don't know why to even ask for different graphics.
CO graphics were made to support Lex Luthor stealing cookies, they weren't supposed to be about immersion, it's that simple.
Of course it would be nice to have a superhero mmo looking/written more like CoH/STO, but in a modern way ( CoH graphics were a late stone age at its launch and did not look that great passable until HD textures were added to game). But that's something better to have in a completely new game, instead of upgrading CO into a game it was never supposed to be.
And I don't await Valiance or CoT.
They both have a long way to go before even making it into the beta, besides I think that making a Neverwinters Nights style game would be a better idea.
I don't really believe in a long lasting mmo that is not supported by a large publisher. Those things take more to run and update than a Steam indy game.
That's a shibboleth I hear quite a bit. It matches neither with my memory nor with the thread down in Costumes & Concepts where people are showing off their CoH toons that inspired their CO toons.
Can someone define "less cartoonish" for me in a way that makes those blocky, misproportioned beings more "realistic" than the misproportioned beings we have here?
(Oh, and the writing I encountered wasn't all that great either - I came in when the new toons got stuffed into this alt-u where the place was run by antiheroes and you had to "choose" between continuing the oppression or fighting against it. Very sophomoric version of "good vs. evil", not exactly Shakespearean, or even Heinleinian.)
And if you really think the graphics in STO are of necessity less "cartoonish", I invite you to hang around ESD for a while (turn off Zone Chat, that way lies madness) and look at what people do with the character creator their, which is very nearly as flexible as CO's. Unless you think a three-foot-tall creature with a head like the Leader's and distorted horns is more "realistic" than what we see in RenCen...)
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
Maybe you should remember that CoH graphics were very dated even when compared to other games of the same period and from the same publisher (Lineage II looked way, way better despite also having inanimated faces and mitten-hands, was also much better optimised).
Simplicistic or not, CoH writing wasn't hurt by cheesy dialogues, forced pop culture references and forced attempts as being funny as it is with CO. Still way, way less chese than in CO writing. Even what you are describing already is more interesting than every piece of writing CO has.
And, really, your anecdote about players using costume creator for making goofy toons in STO completely missed anything. It comes from players, not developers, and official NPCs and environments in STO do not follow this estetic.
I can attempt a realistic character in CO and with enough time it will work, but then it will look out of place next to every imaginable NPC. Just like a cartoony exaggerated player character will look out of place in STO environment.
the problem is that CO isn't even funny when it tries to. it's just cheesy and ridiculous. I wouldn't mind CO having humor on it if it was actually funny. I didn't laugh even once when doing all the missions, and it's not hard to get me laughing, I can assure you.
CO humor: "Look at all the Big Trouble in Little China references!" [elbows player hard enough to break two ribs]
CoH humor: "Really? You're really going there? That joke is over twenty years old. Just for that, this console will self-destruct in five seconds."
Choose your enemies carefully, because they will define you / Make them interesting, because in some ways they will mind you
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
The fun part is that CO actually hired a professional comic book writer, but CoH was by large written by Cryptic and Paragon devs who were just tossing in ideas they got from comic books and their PnP Champions campaigns. STO also was written by game devs (albeit it had some weird episodes like one infamous mission with the Undine infiltrator, but this one is no longer in existence).
Later adventure packs and comic issues are also written by Cryptic.
Looks like they're better with not hiring dedicated writers.
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I think it was either the case of "trying too hard", or the professional in question thinking that because it's a video game it can be half***ed.
wow they really did hire a professional writer for it? that's... really disappointing. unless he was told he had to emulate superfriends or hana barbera superheroes style of writing.
STO also was written by game devs (albeit it had some weird episodes like one infamous mission with the Undine infiltrator, but this one is no longer in existence).
Legend has it that Kestrel had intended that to be part 1 of 3, which would lead into the idea of the Undine being able to assert telepathic control over others including the PCs, but the story was cut short by executive interference. (Doesn't make having to carry the Idiot Ball all the way through "Divide et Impera" taste any better to me, but at least the plan had been to ameliorate things just a tad.)
And now I see they have an opening for a writer for STO. Wish I met more than a couple of the requirements...
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
The game isn't going to get any major overhaul. It isn't going to get a new giant zone with a level range of missions. It isn't getting a new game engine. It isn't getting a graphics pass with updated graphics. It isn't getting a new art style. It isn't going to get new writing for existing missions.
This is the first time i hear that someone says they wouldnt like a new area in a game that hasnt gotten any in 4 years or so.
I haven't seen you on the forums much over the past few years, so that doesn't surprise me.
Also, I don't log in to CO to laugh or read stories. I log in to play a video game, so none of the stuff you mentioned in that regard means anything to me either. Are you surprised that someone would say that too?
sometimes I feel like you just reply to get the last word instead of trying to have an interesting debate. I'm not here to fight. I have played many MMOs and in all of them people always ask for new places to visit, new maps new areas. specially on MMOs where content has grown a bit stale.
sometimes I feel like you just reply to get the last word instead of trying to have an interesting debate. I'm not here to fight. I have played many MMOs and in all of them people always ask for new places to visit, new maps new areas. specially on MMOs where content has grown a bit stale.
Funny thing: Every time someone tries to accuse someone else of trying to always get the last word... they do it while trying to get the last word themselves. It's kind of a how a forum works ey? If you don't want someone to respond, the best way is to not post yourself
People ask for a lot of things. Not all people ask for the same things, not all people care about the same things. Is this really a difficult concept for you to understand?
wow they really did hire a professional writer for it? that's... really disappointing. unless he was told he had to emulate superfriends or hana barbera superheroes style of writing.
This again. Emulating Superfriends is the point of Champions ...The Champs even have a campy HQ .
Some games are camp get over it.
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I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Yeah, their headquarters is a giant "C". This is not a serious setting. And if it was meant to be a serious setting, making a building shaped like a giant C doesn't help. Also: what used to be the armaments building is shaped like a gun.
maybe, but I feel there is a clear difference between the tone of vibora bay, specially the intro quest for it, and the rest of the game. It looks to me like they did wanted to make it a bit more serious.
reiwulf i agree with u in almost everything but have u noticed that this game exists on roleplaying...and costume competitions.. I honestly wish they added endgame content instead of turning this (game with great potential) into a FCKING SECOND LIFE STYLE SOCIALIZATION SIMULATOR (with a lot of erotica winkwink).
im only saying this because i love the game but the endgame makes me cringe to the max. As does most of the veteran community
I love roleplaying, I rp in many other games, although I haven't found a group I enjoy rping in here yet. Too many demon furry goddess dragon lesbians for my tastes.
I also think that CO looks more like a costume simulator than a real MMO, and that's what worries me. I feel sad when I read people that say they don't want more content like areas or story arcs. When people say they are happy with the game now and don't need any new stuff. That they just play the game and make a new character and that's enough for them. I feel CO could be so much more than it is now, and I understand that the devs don't want to invest more into it, if they don't feel it's worth it. But when the players say they don't want more stuff it baffles me.
I feel sad when I read people that say they don't want more content like areas or story arcs. When people say they are happy with the game now and don't need any new stuff. That they just play the game and make a new character and that's enough for them.
For me the game has always been more about my characters rather than the story or the amount of playable content. With a game that encourages having many characters, and me having about 80 of them, even if the did put out new content every three months, running it all 20 or 30 times would still be repetitive.
(to be fair this person isn't against new content per se, but said he doesn't need it.)
hopefully you're not referring to, what were they called by other players in NW, Sharanderp, Dead ring, Ice wind fail, Well of dailies. Yes I've been playing that. I got sick of it, again ,after well of dragons.
That, here, would involve people;
1. complaining they can only do them once per day. Here the preferred option for people would be , as much as you want so I can get it all done as fast as possible. See Rampage and event farming for examples.
2. complaining it takes too long.
3. complaining that the rewards aren't worth the effort.
4. Only doing the one with the best rewards from their veiwpoint.
5. complaining that there's no reason to do it(well apart from the point squeezers, who may be able to get a few more points in their builds)
6. then complaining, I've done it all, there's nothing to do. When are we getting something new.
(refering to campaign new zones, that wouldn't raise the level cap, but instead could give bonus or costumes to players.)
Okay. One out of three of those is valid in context. Spinnytop goes on to point out no one is saying they don't want new content, and reading back I'm seeing that you are definitely putting your own spin on this. Also, Chaelk's quote is specifically about a certain kind of content that they are sick of and don't seem to be making a blanket anti-new zone statement.
You're applying hyperbole to the situation. It's unwarranted.
reiwulf i agree with u in almost everything but have u noticed that this game exists on roleplaying...and costume competitions.. I honestly wish they added endgame content instead of turning this (game with great potential) into a FCKING SECOND LIFE STYLE SOCIALIZATION SIMULATOR (with a lot of erotica winkwink).
im only saying this because i love the game but the endgame makes me cringe to the max. As does most of the veteran community
My thoughts on this post: Comes out of nowhere, is first post here argees with Reiwulf, mentions him by name ......
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Yes i made another account on june 2014, saving it for over a year, waiting for the perfect moment, so i could use it in its big opening night by agreeing with myself.
Yes i made another account on june 2014, saving it for over a year, waiting for the perfect moment, so i could use it in its big opening night by agreeing with myself.
I was actually thinking you mailed a buddy to back you up. But now.....
Truth is out there * sticks pencils in ceiling * ¬_¬"
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Yes i made another account on june 2014, saving it for over a year, waiting for the perfect moment, so i could use it in its big opening night by agreeing with myself.
I was actually thinking you mailed a buddy to back you up. But now.....
Truth is out there * sticks pencils in ceiling * ¬_¬"
This forum needs to add the ability to thumps up posts.
I find it tasty and wonderfully ironic that when the guy do not want to change his mind, he's basically trolled with some made-up conspiracy theories about either making fake accounts or mailing his friends so he can be shut down...
...all this by the same people who are very eager to accuse former CoH players of being rabid fanbois. And now are acting exactly like this ilk.
Because it must be, obviously, staged when more than one person is not in agreement with you. And if their opinions are overlapping, it must be a fake.
This is comedy gold.
Yes, some people on this planet can have, legit, a different opinion and you can even run into different people sharing it. I'm afraid you have to live with it, lol.
There's no point in pretending it's the first time on CO forums ever and the first poster with opinion like his. There used to be more opinions and different points of view when CO forums had more than a skeleton crew.
I find it tasty and wonderfully ironic that when the guy do not want to change his mind, he's basically trolled with some made-up conspiracy theories about either making fake accounts or mailing his friends so he can be shut down...
...all this by the same people who are very eager to accuse former CoH players of being rabid fanbois. And now are acting exactly like this ilk.
Because it must be, obviously, staged when more than one person is not in agreement with you. And if their opinions are overlapping, it must be a fake.
This is comedy gold.
Yes, some people on this planet can have, legit, a different opinion and you can even run into different people sharing it. I'm afraid you have to live with it, lol.
There's no point in pretending it's the first time on CO forums ever and the first poster with opinion like his. There used to be more opinions and different points of view when CO forums had more than a skeleton crew.
There were already people who agreed with him though. Or did you forget about yourself?
About the champs IP being campy, ok I didn't know about it. I'm not an expert on the IP so it makes sense. But I have a question. you said the IP was campy back then (back when all comics were I guess) so is there any new version of it? are there stil games (tabletop) that use it? and it there are, is it still that campy? I guess if it's still that way, the game should be just as campy as well. But if not then it's not an excuse.
<insert your own sarcasm or other emotional input, or simply read in a silly voice>well aren't we lucky someone thought of asking for a new zone, I'm sure nobody has ever asked for that in the 4 years I've been playing.
OH yes hundreds have. Especially since On Alert, people have asked for new zones to level in because they are sick of doing the same missions all the time.
also;
new mission arcs,
new action packs,
new at's,
new powers,
new endgame,
ANY endgame,
fixes to the PvP system,
increases to nemesis program,
Too bad we're not in the 2 games which have millions of people who know about the backstory like Star Trek and D&D, too bad the IP for Champions is owned by Cryptic, so they don't have to worry about losing it.
Too bad we don't have updates with expensive packs to buy with it like NW has, so it gets its next update funded.
Too bad our cash shop is the only one out of the 3 with FA usable and useful ingame.
Let's see STO has ships, DOFFS, craft packs,
NW has Mounts, companions(the ever increasing amount of), races,refining materials, craft packs.
we have costumes, vehicles of little use, rank up catalysts of even less use, become devices usable more for amusement value. NO crafting because our only crafting is the live test of NW's gear enchanting system.
Too bad we don't have the amount of DEvs working on the game, at last count, that was about 50 for STO and close to that for NW.
WE have, at a guess, less than the 12 we had with cryptic north or someone would have bragged about it.
SO;
1. yes people do want things.
2. the people still lurking despite the lack of large updates, have pretty good ideas of their chances of getting any large update barring something miraculous.
3. This is an improvement. Just after PWE took over, and Cryptic as working on NW, we had NOTHING for about a year. Then we started getting lockboxes.. and vehicles and mini events to sell more lockboxes.
There were already people who agreed with him though. Or did you forget about yourself?
You sure I'm not anybody's alternate account?
Now you've got me wondering... you got red hair under that robot face?
Wait. What?
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They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
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I kown, I was just wondering
Also. I'm incredibly excited that Cryptic North moving on to STO or NW or whatever didn't kill the game.
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I'm a very visual person, I get interested in things that look different, fresh and new. and to me actual new content means a new zone, new enemies,stuff that wasn't previously in game, not just stuff that was already in game and changed places.
Like I said, we all have different views on what "new content" mean for us all, I'm sure that for some new lockboxes/costumes/vehicles count as new content, but to many of us it doesn't.
I just don't really get why the devs keep resisting to make new maps and zones. it's not that difficult. I feel they have changed many other stuff that require more work. I think pretty much everyone would agree that they would enjoy a new zone. they could make it like Neverwinter and make it a campaign zone, that doesn't even require a change i level cap.
To me, the lack of new mapsand zones is just a sign that cryptic doesn't wan't to invest any serious work in the game, and they prefer to keep things as they are, which brings them a small but stable income.
At the end of the day, going by the most objective measure: It's all content. If it's something you do in the game, it's content. Just like everything inside a bucket comprises the contents of the bucket.
Just because you personally don't like something, or aren't excited by it, doesn't make it not content.
For example, I personally am not particularly excited about the idea of a new zone. It's still content. Current events show otherwise.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
that's the whole point of it.
CO could be much much more than it is now. but it seems that some people prefer it to be in its current state. this baffles me.
one would be to actually raise the level cap and make a new zone for that. it could be hard because many other things might need changes too, but it's still a way other MMOs do it all the time.
a "capaign" zone where you don't level up but do get other perks and boons. they could make a system like in Neverwinter where you gain points to unlock various stuff like more HP, more def, more healing, or even just new costumes, since we are in CO would make people play the new zones.
About the zone itself, it would depend on what the devs want. if we think about various superhero themed environnements, maybe a space themed thing? we have a few but none of them are really zones by themselves, but included in lairs or quests.
Are those expansions free or do they have to pay to play them?
I know someone was going on about how many expansions TSW gets but you have to pay just to download that game and you have to pay for each expansion.Including if you are subbed.
do they have end game gear tiers?
end game raid/dungeon/whatevers?
hopefully you're not referring to, what were they called by other players in NW, Sharanderp, Dead ring, Ice wind fail, Well of dailies. Yes I've been playing that. I got sick of it, again ,after well of dragons.
That, here, would involve people;
1. complaining they can only do them once per day. Here the preferred option for people would be , as much as you want so I can get it all done as fast as possible. See Rampage and event farming for examples.
2. complaining it takes too long.
3. complaining that the rewards aren't worth the effort.
4. Only doing the one with the best rewards from their veiwpoint.
5. complaining that there's no reason to do it(well apart from the point squeezers, who may be able to get a few more points in their builds)
6. then complaining, I've done it all, there's nothing to do. When are we getting something new.
Anytime you do those, you have to keep on doing those and this requires a constant LARGE stream of money. This game has enough trouble getting people to pay for anything.
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sometimes I get the impression that some people think this game is fine as it is and nothing should be added.
I did pitched in to help the game when I went LTS last birthday, I paid the full 299.99 but awhile a discounted lifetime was cheaper if i had waited, I felt better by just helping out so no matter for me the condision it was in I felt paying the full price was worth a shot to help them out I am kind that way.
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My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
STO has less cartoony look, but STO also is better written than CO.
CO is a second-hand copy of the Adam West Batman mixed with Sunbow cartoon, so it hardly needs anything more realistic.
If CO suddenly got a STO-like graphics it would look simply weird considering how this game reads. Just imagine graphics stylised like a modern superhero movie or TV show with CO's trying-so-hard-to-be-funny-but-still-failing NPC banter.
Even now with the Supervillains Onslaught you are given basically a Sunbow-style villain plot about Teleos doing cloning because "teh evulz", so I don't know why to even ask for different graphics.
CO graphics were made to support Lex Luthor stealing cookies, they weren't supposed to be about immersion, it's that simple.
Of course it would be nice to have a superhero mmo looking/written more like CoH/STO, but in a modern way ( CoH graphics were a late stone age at its launch and did not look that great passable until HD textures were added to game). But that's something better to have in a completely new game, instead of upgrading CO into a game it was never supposed to be.
And I don't await Valiance or CoT.
They both have a long way to go before even making it into the beta, besides I think that making a Neverwinters Nights style game would be a better idea.
I don't really believe in a long lasting mmo that is not supported by a large publisher. Those things take more to run and update than a Steam indy game.
Can someone define "less cartoonish" for me in a way that makes those blocky, misproportioned beings more "realistic" than the misproportioned beings we have here?
(Oh, and the writing I encountered wasn't all that great either - I came in when the new toons got stuffed into this alt-u where the place was run by antiheroes and you had to "choose" between continuing the oppression or fighting against it. Very sophomoric version of "good vs. evil", not exactly Shakespearean, or even Heinleinian.)
And if you really think the graphics in STO are of necessity less "cartoonish", I invite you to hang around ESD for a while (turn off Zone Chat, that way lies madness) and look at what people do with the character creator their, which is very nearly as flexible as CO's. Unless you think a three-foot-tall creature with a head like the Leader's and distorted horns is more "realistic" than what we see in RenCen...)
- David Brin, "Those Eyes"
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Simplicistic or not, CoH writing wasn't hurt by cheesy dialogues, forced pop culture references and forced attempts as being funny as it is with CO. Still way, way less chese than in CO writing. Even what you are describing already is more interesting than every piece of writing CO has.
And, really, your anecdote about players using costume creator for making goofy toons in STO completely missed anything. It comes from players, not developers, and official NPCs and environments in STO do not follow this estetic.
I can attempt a realistic character in CO and with enough time it will work, but then it will look out of place next to every imaginable NPC. Just like a cartoony exaggerated player character will look out of place in STO environment.
CoH humor: "Really? You're really going there? That joke is over twenty years old. Just for that, this console will self-destruct in five seconds."
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Later adventure packs and comic issues are also written by Cryptic.
Looks like they're better with not hiring dedicated writers.
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I think it was either the case of "trying too hard", or the professional in question thinking that because it's a video game it can be half***ed.
And now I see they have an opening for a writer for STO. Wish I met more than a couple of the requirements...
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It isn't going to get a new giant zone with a level range of missions.
It isn't getting a new game engine.
It isn't getting a graphics pass with updated graphics.
It isn't getting a new art style.
It isn't going to get new writing for existing missions.
It's okay.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
Also, I don't log in to CO to laugh or read stories. I log in to play a video game, so none of the stuff you mentioned in that regard means anything to me either. Are you surprised that someone would say that too?
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I'm not here to fight.
I have played many MMOs and in all of them people always ask for new places to visit, new maps new areas. specially on MMOs where content has grown a bit stale.
People ask for a lot of things. Not all people ask for the same things, not all people care about the same things. Is this really a difficult concept for you to understand?
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Some games are camp get over it.
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I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
im only saying this because i love the game but the endgame makes me cringe to the max. As does most of the veteran community
I also think that CO looks more like a costume simulator than a real MMO, and that's what worries me. I feel sad when I read people that say they don't want more content like areas or story arcs. When people say they are happy with the game now and don't need any new stuff. That they just play the game and make a new character and that's enough for them. I feel CO could be so much more than it is now, and I understand that the devs don't want to invest more into it, if they don't feel it's worth it. But when the players say they don't want more stuff it baffles me.
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You're applying hyperbole to the situation. It's unwarranted.
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Truth is out there * sticks pencils in ceiling * ¬_¬"
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
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...all this by the same people who are very eager to accuse former CoH players of being rabid fanbois. And now are acting exactly like this ilk.
Because it must be, obviously, staged when more than one person is not in agreement with you. And if their opinions are overlapping, it must be a fake.
This is comedy gold.
Yes, some people on this planet can have, legit, a different opinion and you can even run into different people sharing it. I'm afraid you have to live with it, lol.
There's no point in pretending it's the first time on CO forums ever and the first poster with opinion like his. There used to be more opinions and different points of view when CO forums had more than a skeleton crew.
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OH yes hundreds have. Especially since On Alert, people have asked for new zones to level in because they are sick of doing the same missions all the time.
also;
new mission arcs,
new action packs,
new at's,
new powers,
new endgame,
ANY endgame,
fixes to the PvP system,
increases to nemesis program,
Too bad we're not in the 2 games which have millions of people who know about the backstory like Star Trek and D&D, too bad the IP for Champions is owned by Cryptic, so they don't have to worry about losing it.
Too bad we don't have updates with expensive packs to buy with it like NW has, so it gets its next update funded.
Too bad our cash shop is the only one out of the 3 with FA usable and useful ingame.
Let's see STO has ships, DOFFS, craft packs,
NW has Mounts, companions(the ever increasing amount of), races,refining materials, craft packs.
we have costumes, vehicles of little use, rank up catalysts of even less use, become devices usable more for amusement value. NO crafting because our only crafting is the live test of NW's gear enchanting system.
Too bad we don't have the amount of DEvs working on the game, at last count, that was about 50 for STO and close to that for NW.
WE have, at a guess, less than the 12 we had with cryptic north or someone would have bragged about it.
SO;
1. yes people do want things.
2. the people still lurking despite the lack of large updates, have pretty good ideas of their chances of getting any large update barring something miraculous.
3. This is an improvement. Just after PWE took over, and Cryptic as working on NW, we had NOTHING for about a year. Then we started getting lockboxes.. and vehicles and mini events to sell more lockboxes.
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You sure I'm not anybody's alternate account?
Now you've got me wondering... you got red hair under that robot face?
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Wait. What?
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