If the content could be a kitchen utensil, what sort of kitchen utensil would it be?
.... are we answering one of these a day?
Yes, I think you are.
On a scale of 1 to banana, how many ducks will bark at the moon?
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Did you forget that the thing you're not being paid for is forum policing? Since you didn't notice that, that's the point I was making: You're not paid to do this, yet you do a proper job of it because you care about the game.
You're a volunteer forum cop, they're volunteer testers. That's why it's called the player TEST server, and not the player PLAYING server.
Sure, they're well within their rights to log onto it just to fool around and not be constructive, but clearly there are at least some of them that disagree with your notion that they shouldn't try to actively participate as testers simply because they're not being handed a check.
Fact is, a lot of play testers elsewhere in the industry aren't paid either.
Volunteering for forum moderating is different than simply being able to log in to PTS and do whatever. PTS is there for any subscriber that wants it. Moderating isn't.
If there were some sort of program where groups of players would volunteer to be a dedicated test group, and they went in there and just messed around, then a parallel could be drawn. Otherwise, no, I don't think so.
I agree that content has been over-tuned sometimes to the people who spend a lot of time on PTS, and I'm no big fan of that, but instead of going poopoo on them, maybe subscribe, or do what you can to recruit "normals" to spend their time in PTS.
Expecting people to pay to test buggy, messed up content? No. If Cryptic wanted better testing they would pay some dude walking down the street $20 to test their content and make note of what he does and how he reacts. Or they could open up the PTS to more people temporarily. Or give out beta keys to randoms for testing on PTS.
The only people that can test content for the average player is the average player. Most of the people who test on PTS have been playing for years and have far more knowledge than someone who plays casually or is relatively new. Vet players have their own kind of tunnel vision when it comes to content. It's hard to imagine being someone else.
If Cryptic wants to test content for a certain audience, they should actually have people from that group doing the testing and giving feedback. There's nothing wrong with being casual or a min/maxer, but they do have different skill levels and perceptions that are important to know when content is being made.
Hey don't get me wrong I agree that they should have some QA guys to test content. Or open it up to Silvers, I've always been behind that. But what I said there, those are the player-driven choices we've got.
Volunteering for forum moderating is different than simply being able to log in to PTS and do whatever. PTS is there for any subscriber that wants it. Moderating isn't.
If there were some sort of program where groups of players would volunteer to be a dedicated test group, and they went in there and just messed around, then a parallel could be drawn. Otherwise, no, I don't think so.
Well, as has been shown in this thread and others, I'm glad to say that there are people with PTS access who whole-heartedly disagree with you.
Most of the people who test on PTS have been playing for years and have far more knowledge than someone who plays casually or is relatively new. Vet players have their own kind of tunnel vision when it comes to content. It's hard to imagine being someone else.
I don't think this is actually true. When did "CO Vets" start being viewed the same as "WoW vets", "COD vets" and "MOBA vets"? lel
Keep in mind, we have vets who delight in not making "OP BILDZ" and I'm guessing a few of them found their way onto PTS at some point.
I believe this because all content in the game is tuned just fine for all of my non-op builds ( you know, all my glass cannons with no active defense and 5k hit points who rely on movement to stay alive? ), so clearly somebody did a good job.
Volunteering for forum moderating is different than simply being able to log in to PTS and do whatever. PTS is there for any subscriber that wants it. Moderating isn't.
If there were some sort of program where groups of players would volunteer to be a dedicated test group, and they went in there and just messed around, then a parallel could be drawn. Otherwise, no, I don't think so.
Well, as has been shown in this thread and others, I'm glad to say that there are people with PTS access who whole-heartedly disagree with you.
You don't get PTS access by volunteering, you get it by paying. There is no volunteering for "fair PTS testing" either. Those are the two things I said. Which part are people disagreeing with?
Volunteering for forum moderating is different than simply being able to log in to PTS and do whatever. PTS is there for any subscriber that wants it. Moderating isn't.
If there were some sort of program where groups of players would volunteer to be a dedicated test group, and they went in there and just messed around, then a parallel could be drawn. Otherwise, no, I don't think so.
Well, as has been shown in this thread and others, I'm glad to say that there are people with PTS access who whole-heartedly disagree with you.
You don't get PTS access by volunteering, you get it by paying. There is no volunteering for "fair PTS testing" either. Those are the two things I said. Which part are people disagreeing with?
The part where you said people shouldn't test just because they're not being paid.
Volunteering for forum moderating is different than simply being able to log in to PTS and do whatever. PTS is there for any subscriber that wants it. Moderating isn't.
If there were some sort of program where groups of players would volunteer to be a dedicated test group, and they went in there and just messed around, then a parallel could be drawn. Otherwise, no, I don't think so.
Well, as has been shown in this thread and others, I'm glad to say that there are people with PTS access who whole-heartedly disagree with you.
You don't get PTS access by volunteering, you get it by paying. There is no volunteering for "fair PTS testing" either. Those are the two things I said. Which part are people disagreeing with?
The part where you said people shouldn't test just because they're not being paid.
You're not reading things correctly. I said they're not obligated to test, let alone obligated to test within your parameters. Lack of obligation doesn't mean that they shouldn't.
Volunteering for forum moderating is different than simply being able to log in to PTS and do whatever. PTS is there for any subscriber that wants it. Moderating isn't.
If there were some sort of program where groups of players would volunteer to be a dedicated test group, and they went in there and just messed around, then a parallel could be drawn. Otherwise, no, I don't think so.
Well, as has been shown in this thread and others, I'm glad to say that there are people with PTS access who whole-heartedly disagree with you.
You don't get PTS access by volunteering, you get it by paying. There is no volunteering for "fair PTS testing" either. Those are the two things I said. Which part are people disagreeing with?
The part where you said people shouldn't test just because they're not being paid.
You're not reading things correctly. I said they're not obligated to test, let alone obligated to test within your parameters. Lack of obligation doesn't mean that they shouldn't.
And yet, some of them seem to feel obligated, due to them caring about the future of the game, hence why they do so, paycheck or no
And yet, some of them seem to feel obligated, due to them caring about the future of the game, hence why they do so, paycheck or no
If they feel obligated to, great. Good for them. Maybe now we won't get things as silly as Forum Malvanum and Mechanon event. But the game doesn't place that kind of obligation on anyone. People can still spend their time on PTS any way they like.If they want to test new content with their favorite characters, they're not bad testers. They're not there to represent anyone but themselves, unless they want to. You might have the opinion that they're bad testers if they don't play with average builds, but on the other hand they might have the opinion that you're a bad player if you don't have a good build.
What if it turns out the new zone is literally a giant spork?
No one said "new zone."
And no one said anything about a giant spork.
I never assumed it was a new zone. Though I think, personally, if you were to get interest in Champions again, new zones are going to be required, but of course that's the catch-22 scenario since I know you guys are limited on resources you can use for Champions.
What if it turns out the new zone is literally a giant spork?
No one said "new zone."
And no one said anything about a giant spork.
so it will be a normal sized spork? we'll have to use the shrink ray then or do we grab the spork and run away , as everyone else tries to get the Mcguffin,the one true spork from us.
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The lines so far;
If the new content was a kitchen implement, what would it be?
CA- a spork
some are using the answer literally,see kemmicals answer
where others will take it for what it means. A multi purpose content.It doesn't mean that's what they actually think it is.
We have a large amount of frustration and disappointment with what has and hasn't been happening with the game, we have to take our fun where we can.
What if it turns out the new zone is literally a giant spork?
No one said "new zone."
And no one said anything about a giant spork.
SPOOOORRRRK ZOOOOOONNNNNE!
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end game missions(not necessarily with gear grind attached)
As a more serious pondering, I wonder if we'll see an new villain appear, or a returning one? Both would be awesome in their own way - new villains are fun, but. . . open mission Grond anyone? :P
As a more serious pondering, I wonder if we'll see an new villain appear, or a returning one? Both would be awesome in their own way - new villains are fun, but. . . open mission Grond anyone? :P
I guess that's relative on what is considered awesome. When I thought of Mechanon I didn't think of a soloable instance run and certainly didn't imagine reskinning the Mega D event either. I was thinking something a bit more epic in those regards. Suffice it to say, I found it a disappointment, and I do hope the devs are doing something more than just reskinning the anniversary event again.
I guess that's relative on what is considered awesome. When I thought of Mechanon I didn't think of a soloable instance run and certainly didn't imagine reskinning the Mega D event either. I was thinking something a bit more epic in those regards. Suffice it to say, I found it a disappointment, and I do hope the devs are doing something more than just reskinning the anniversary event again.
What you are referring to is the playable content itself. Regardless of playable content, it is still interesting when villains we haven't seen yet come into CO, but also cool when you see a familiar enemy in a new way.
I guess that's relative on what is considered awesome. When I thought of Mechanon I didn't think of a soloable instance run and certainly didn't imagine reskinning the Mega D event either. I was thinking something a bit more epic in those regards. Suffice it to say, I found it a disappointment, and I do hope the devs are doing something more than just reskinning the anniversary event again.
What you are referring to is the playable content itself. Regardless of playable content, it is still interesting when villains we haven't seen yet come into CO, but also cool when you see a familiar enemy in a new way.
. . . didn't imagine reskinning the Mega D event either. I was thinking something a bit more epic in those regards. Suffice it to say, I found it a disappointment, and I do hope the devs are doing something more than just reskinning the anniversary event again.
I gotta agree here. Though I didn't have a toon at the time that could solo the Mechanon boss in the mission, the open world event was disappointing, and actually somewhat annoying.
Just imagine if that same event had giant Mechanon robots attack at each of the undead heroes spawn points, for instance. There were so many other ways that it could have been done.
You might have the opinion that they're bad testers if they don't play with average builds, but on the other hand they might have the opinion that you're a bad player if you don't have a good build.
Um, top end builds need to be tested in content too you know. They are a legitimate part of the game.
end game missions(not necessarily with gear grind attached)
How did this thread get turned into a debate over the PTS and QA?
I just want to know if we are going to get to see Empress's Istvatha V’han return to use the Gadroon that set up a base in Canada to invade Earth like she used them back in the 90s!
You might have the opinion that they're bad testers if they don't play with average builds, but on the other hand they might have the opinion that you're a bad player if you don't have a good build.
Um, top end builds need to be tested in content too you know. They are a legitimate part of the game.
Oh, hi there Mr. Strawman, I never said they shouldn't be tested. What you quoted has no relation to what I said. Now get your weight belt on, your goalposts aren't going to move themselves!
How did this thread get turned into a debate over the PTS and QA?
I just want to know if we are going to get to see Empress's Istvatha V’han return to use the Gadroon that set up a base in Canada to invade Earth like she used them back in the 90s!
If the plan is just to recycle the anniversary event (aka just keep them around the Champ HQ) then I would rather they not. Seeing legitimate villains and bad guys get turned into that is a major insult to not only the source materials and fans, but the history of the genre.
Cybermind was certainly more eventful and there was a lot more at stake presented in that chain than Mechanon's presentation. God damn Cybermind! And players have been waiting for Mechanon since day one.
Mechanon deserved an arc made with the amount of effort that Therakiel got from Cryptic.
What if the missions take place on a TINY spork and we're all shrunk down to the point where it's giant to us?
Defender: "Heroes, I have some grave news to report. Cazulon has escaped from the Battle of Detroit Museum, and is currently wreaking havoc on the condiment counter at a Taco Bell in Grosse Point. We must not allow Cazulon to reach the Fire Sauce!"
Choose your enemies carefully, because they will define you / Make them interesting, because in some ways they will mind you
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
What if the missions take place on a TINY spork and we're all shrunk down to the point where it's giant to us?
Defender: "Heroes, I have some grave news to report. Cazulon has escaped from the Battle of Detroit Museum, and is currently wreaking havoc on the condiment counter at a Taco Bell in Grosse Point. We must not allow Cazulon to reach the Fire Sauce!"
All silliness aside, I think we need more Cazulon-style missions. The shrinky-dinkiness of the Mechanon stuff was not enough for me.
How did this thread get turned into a debate over the PTS and QA?
I just want to know if we are going to get to see Empress's Istvatha V’han return to use the Gadroon that set up a base in Canada to invade Earth like she used them back in the 90s!
It never did, the thread has predominantly been about the new spork-themed content.
You might have the opinion that they're bad testers if they don't play with average builds, but on the other hand they might have the opinion that you're a bad player if you don't have a good build.
Um, top end builds need to be tested in content too you know. They are a legitimate part of the game.
Oh, hi there Mr. Strawman, I never said they shouldn't be tested. What you quoted has no relation to what I said. Now get your weight belt on, your goalposts aren't going to move themselves!
Hey, you're the one who keeps trying to put words in my mouth. So, you can dish it out but can't take it back?
Haha, wow! What conversation are you reading?! I never put any words in your mouth. All I ever said is that people on PTS can play how they want. You literally said that they're not good testers unless they can't be bothered to use something other than optimal builds or archetypes!
Is there something that prevents these "PTS Gods" from using something other than optimal builds or archetypes? They're not very good play testers if they just can't be bothered.
Keep in mind that sentences that include "might" and "if" are hypotheticals.
I have done soooooo many UNITY 1 missions and never gotten that one. Guess I need to try again.
Can you figure out which special assignment you get before doing all the HotSpots?
Yup. The hotspot missions are not random, so you can tell which special assignment you'll get by the hotspots offered to you that day. It's been a long while, so I don't know if the mission name is accurate, but the set of hotspots that leads you to Cazulon has an Elder Worm mission in the desert, called Earthworm Gem (I think) that's timed. I think that's the only timed mission in the set, not sure. I also think it has a VIPER mission named Serpents in the City or Sects in the City in Millennium City.
I always only did these set of missions because all the other special assignments were way too long. Cazulon is quick and easy.
Keep in mind that sentences that include "might" and "if" are hypotheticals.
You mean like the sentence I typed with the word if in it? You know, the one you quoted. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Oh, right, that was all hypothetical, that's why you passed judgment on them and then tried to defend your point over a few pages until you started looking like a Looney Tune. Gotcha!
I actually like the UNITY 1 special missions that I've done: saving the museum patrons from worms, the crashed Qularr mother ship, the Bleak Ones temple. I think they are actually among the best missions in the game.
I don't know if new players ever do them. In the past, there used to be discussion in Zone and trade about getting Qliphothic essence from the missions, which could be used for crafting and such. UNITY merits/tokens had a use besides AFs, too. That discussion prompted players like me to try out the UNITY missions.
I never even tried them until after On Alert. I think I only had like 1 or 2 40s before that.
And it's not that the other special assignments are bad, it's just that they're real long, and when you're trying to farm Silver Champions recognition on like 10 characters, you get picky with which ones you wanna do. :P
And hey, you can still get them Qliphothic essences so it's not all bad!
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Yes, I think you are.
On a scale of 1 to banana, how many ducks will bark at the moon?
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Volunteering for forum moderating is different than simply being able to log in to PTS and do whatever. PTS is there for any subscriber that wants it. Moderating isn't.
If there were some sort of program where groups of players would volunteer to be a dedicated test group, and they went in there and just messed around, then a parallel could be drawn. Otherwise, no, I don't think so.
Expecting people to pay to test buggy, messed up content? No. If Cryptic wanted better testing they would pay some dude walking down the street $20 to test their content and make note of what he does and how he reacts. Or they could open up the PTS to more people temporarily. Or give out beta keys to randoms for testing on PTS.
The only people that can test content for the average player is the average player. Most of the people who test on PTS have been playing for years and have far more knowledge than someone who plays casually or is relatively new. Vet players have their own kind of tunnel vision when it comes to content. It's hard to imagine being someone else.
If Cryptic wants to test content for a certain audience, they should actually have people from that group doing the testing and giving feedback. There's nothing wrong with being casual or a min/maxer, but they do have different skill levels and perceptions that are important to know when content is being made.
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Well, as has been shown in this thread and others, I'm glad to say that there are people with PTS access who whole-heartedly disagree with you.
I don't think this is actually true. When did "CO Vets" start being viewed the same as "WoW vets", "COD vets" and "MOBA vets"? lel
Keep in mind, we have vets who delight in not making "OP BILDZ" and I'm guessing a few of them found their way onto PTS at some point.
I believe this because all content in the game is tuned just fine for all of my non-op builds ( you know, all my glass cannons with no active defense and 5k hit points who rely on movement to stay alive? ), so clearly somebody did a good job.
You don't get PTS access by volunteering, you get it by paying. There is no volunteering for "fair PTS testing" either. Those are the two things I said. Which part are people disagreeing with?
The part where you said people shouldn't test just because they're not being paid.
You're not reading things correctly. I said they're not obligated to test, let alone obligated to test within your parameters. Lack of obligation doesn't mean that they shouldn't.
todays question:
Is the thing planned able to be done, more than once per day?
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And yet, some of them seem to feel obligated, due to them caring about the future of the game, hence why they do so, paycheck or no
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If they feel obligated to, great. Good for them. Maybe now we won't get things as silly as Forum Malvanum and Mechanon event. But the game doesn't place that kind of obligation on anyone. People can still spend their time on PTS any way they like.If they want to test new content with their favorite characters, they're not bad testers. They're not there to represent anyone but themselves, unless they want to. You might have the opinion that they're bad testers if they don't play with average builds, but on the other hand they might have the opinion that you're a bad player if you don't have a good build.
Opinions, you know what they say about 'em.
No one said "new zone."
And no one said anything about a giant spork.
I never assumed it was a new zone. Though I think, personally, if you were to get interest in Champions again, new zones are going to be required, but of course that's the catch-22 scenario since I know you guys are limited on resources you can use for Champions.
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Both would be spectacular.
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so it will be a normal sized spork? we'll have to use the shrink ray then or do we grab the spork and run away , as everyone else tries to get the Mcguffin,the one true spork from us.
splosions- when reading comments on forum threads, remember at all times. People will use any straight lines handed to them and just go from there.
The lines so far;
If the new content was a kitchen implement, what would it be?
CA- a spork
some are using the answer literally,see kemmicals answer
where others will take it for what it means. A multi purpose content.It doesn't mean that's what they actually think it is.
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I guess that's relative on what is considered awesome. When I thought of Mechanon I didn't think of a soloable instance run and certainly didn't imagine reskinning the Mega D event either. I was thinking something a bit more epic in those regards. Suffice it to say, I found it a disappointment, and I do hope the devs are doing something more than just reskinning the anniversary event again.
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What you are referring to is the playable content itself. Regardless of playable content, it is still interesting when villains we haven't seen yet come into CO, but also cool when you see a familiar enemy in a new way.
I doubt we'll be seeing Spork Zone as it isin relative peace after they overthrew dimensional traveling Empress's Istvatha V’han's rule.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
Um, top end builds need to be tested in content too you know. They are a legitimate part of the game.
I just want to know if we are going to get to see Empress's Istvatha V’han return to use the Gadroon that set up a base in Canada to invade Earth like she used them back in the 90s!
Oh, hi there Mr. Strawman, I never said they shouldn't be tested. What you quoted has no relation to what I said. Now get your weight belt on, your goalposts aren't going to move themselves!
If the plan is just to recycle the anniversary event (aka just keep them around the Champ HQ) then I would rather they not. Seeing legitimate villains and bad guys get turned into that is a major insult to not only the source materials and fans, but the history of the genre.
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You heard him, folks. We have been PROMISED a new giant spork zone! By next week!
PROMISED, I tell you!!!!
Mechanon deserved an arc made with the amount of effort that Therakiel got from Cryptic.
Defender: "Heroes, I have some grave news to report. Cazulon has escaped from the Battle of Detroit Museum, and is currently wreaking havoc on the condiment counter at a Taco Bell in Grosse Point. We must not allow Cazulon to reach the Fire Sauce!"
They're not there in the beginning, but when your story ends / Gonna last with you longer than your friends
All silliness aside, I think we need more Cazulon-style missions. The shrinky-dinkiness of the Mechanon stuff was not enough for me.
Agreed! The Cazulon mission is one of my favorites!
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UNITY2 missions are kind of a pain to get going, though.
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Cazulon is in UNITY 1.
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It never did, the thread has predominantly been about the new spork-themed content.
Hey, you're the one who keeps trying to put words in my mouth. So, you can dish it out but can't take it back?
Keep in mind that sentences that include "might" and "if" are hypotheticals.
You mean like the sentence I typed with the word if in it? You know, the one you quoted. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I have done soooooo many UNITY 1 missions and never gotten that one. Guess I need to try again.
Can you figure out which special assignment you get before doing all the HotSpots?
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
Yup. The hotspot missions are not random, so you can tell which special assignment you'll get by the hotspots offered to you that day. It's been a long while, so I don't know if the mission name is accurate, but the set of hotspots that leads you to Cazulon has an Elder Worm mission in the desert, called Earthworm Gem (I think) that's timed. I think that's the only timed mission in the set, not sure. I also think it has a VIPER mission named Serpents in the City or Sects in the City in Millennium City.
I always only did these set of missions because all the other special assignments were way too long. Cazulon is quick and easy.
Oh, right, that was all hypothetical, that's why you passed judgment on them and then tried to defend your point over a few pages until you started looking like a Looney Tune. Gotcha!
Don't forget to move that goalpost!
I don't know if new players ever do them. In the past, there used to be discussion in Zone and trade about getting Qliphothic essence from the missions, which could be used for crafting and such. UNITY merits/tokens had a use besides AFs, too. That discussion prompted players like me to try out the UNITY missions.
Now . . . not so much.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
And it's not that the other special assignments are bad, it's just that they're real long, and when you're trying to farm Silver Champions recognition on like 10 characters, you get picky with which ones you wanna do. :P
And hey, you can still get them Qliphothic essences so it's not all bad!
Granted, those essences don't actually do anything anymore. . .
I am thinking that the new piece of content will relate to the time skip represented by the revamped tutorial.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.