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crimpatul
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Hi,
Im a 3,9 HR near BiS player, full potted, and TRs kills me with one button, just with shadow of opportunity and cloud of steel.
No matter what I do/dodge/jumping/etc I die. If they get out of stealth bar shadow strike and repite.
I cant win and I cant survive no matter what I do. They just spam 1 skill, cloud of steel, while in stealth, to deal a ton of unmitigable dps.
I think that is not a Dev intention that one player kills another with only one skill, so please, fix.
No matter what gear and defense I get because is unmitigable.
With shadow of opportunity a TR can kill a HR with the best gear and the best defense in the game.
Im a 3,9 HR near BiS player, full potted, and TRs kills me with one button, just with shadow of opportunity and cloud of steel.
No matter what I do/dodge/jumping/etc I die. If they get out of stealth bar shadow strike and repite.
I cant win and I cant survive no matter what I do. They just spam 1 skill, cloud of steel, while in stealth, to deal a ton of unmitigable dps.
I think that is not a Dev intention that one player kills another with only one skill, so please, fix.
No matter what gear and defense I get because is unmitigable.
With shadow of opportunity a TR can kill a HR with the best gear and the best defense in the game.
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I have not the log because I dont use ACT, but I will.
Shadow Of Opportunity (SoO) ignores tenacity and defense. I am dying with CoS + SoO + shadow strike to repeat. My deflect is 49% and my deflect severity 60% (with elixir). I am 3989 IL with full PVP set (including rings).
I have major deflection kits and silverys 11 + cruels 11 (49% deflection is very high FYI).
I am not lying, but If you dont trust me I dont care.
BTW What Is SoD? You are talking about SoD and Im talking about SoO. SoO ignores all, its piercing damage.
Some do... The ones who like to hide and remain safe. NOT ALL follow that crowd. More and more are seeking other builds.
Its not a "remain safe" problem. They kill me with any effort/skill/smart play with this build (SoO). There are very few TRs with another build than SoO. Very few trust me.
Its very annoying to face something that you cant beat and kills you with no effort.
There is a way in the game for being an unbalanced TR and a lot of people are using it.
Um... I know at lest 15 TRs that refuse to play a perma TR. I may be a Sabo... but I am not perma. I like killing you while you see me.
I fully support the nerfing of perma-stealth. It is a crutch, IMHO, for those that want an easy route to winning.
Some people can stand feeling like they are mediocre, after they have been BiS.
My Mentor in CA uses MI/Sab, but he is not perma. I use a build that is as close as his is possible and am a WK.
Being Sab is not the issue. Making the choice for perma is the issue. ItC is the issue.
Please keep in topic of the thread, If you want to debate about HR you can use the thread opened for that or you can start a new one.
Anyway permastun does not kill and is not perma at all. You can dodge or use CC breakers. And the dps of hr trapper is very low compared to another classes, roots is the only thing they have.
Maybe you are a sab tr with SoO but I will keep my debate here mate
TR sab with SoO and perma is the only class that can kill another no matter what defense/tenacity they have.
Tenacity is for pvp, why are there skills from tr that ignores tenacity? very op.
Find out what you want to nerf instead of messing with the builds of the entire class. Wk's needed SoD to kill things fast so everyone lives longer. Sabo's have a tanking aspect that helps a lot. Scoundrel has CC like a madman.
All nerfed because people complained about THE CLASS.
I have no issues with fixing the perma issues.
Now I have act parsed installed with the NWN plugging.
Another TR with this and combatlog 1.
Posting soon friends.
nothing beats the satisfaction of seeing your victim die in pain while he's staring at your grinning, crooked face :P
I've p.vorpal and lol set (around 2.2k itemlvl on my TR) and despite these strong items i cant kill many classes even if i throw 15-20 CoS out of Stealth. I might even record you a video from pvp if you have a doubt.
Piercing dmg is good only when there's no healer in the game or when players stack non-HP defensive stats.
http://i.imgur.com/vk51EyG.png
So I need to stack HP instead of deflect just for a TR feat. :rolleyes: I have no problem with any other classes/builds, I dont win always but Im ok with that.
But man, a TR in 1 vs 1 melts down players with shadow of opportunity as piercing damage. +10K hp would not change that.
Please send me videos of a in TR 1 vs 1 with SoO + SS + CoS + LM, of a medium player TR, losing the duel.
Thanks in advance.
In the Image everybody can see enough damage to kill 1 player, just in stealth with SoO and CoS.
Please devs, take a look at SoO. Is it WAI?
SoO + CS + LM hits for 8K (4+2+2). You can see in the image. But this is not the worse, I will come with more logs because I saw 10k hits. This log is from a medium weared TR.
100K HP/8K HITS=12,5 CoS hits.
Yes, I jump and dodge like crazy, but dodge is not infinite, and SS restart the process when Im out of stamina. Just to remember, my deflect is 49% and my deflect severity 60% (with elixir). Full poted and 4K gear.
Not to mention he has the Lostmauth set... that is the problem... not the SO.
I have the LM set and another players have the lm set and dont melt 4k players like butter.
Check the numbers, SoO is 4K, CoS 2K, thats enough. LM is 2K plus.
The majority of TRs I face are like this.
People asked me for logs and there is it.
http://i.imgur.com/vk51EyG.png
No doubt now.
There is an issue with SO... that does need to be addressed. However, if they mess with another TR tree... they will have to make the other 2 tree more viable than they are now.
BTW... many skilled TRs feel that sitting back and tossing knives from stealth is weak. By "skilled" I mean people who actually do theory-crafting and build development. If you use the "cookie-cutter build", you play a TR because it was dominant at some point.
Other TRs can do whatever they want to me... that does not prove their point.
Its a build that allows to kill players very easely ignoring tenacity and dr. Just one button, tab + cloud of steel.
Ok there are very skilled trs that does not use it, but that is not a reason to allow this.
lot of US agree. This is the ONLY nerf I would like to see on the TR tree. But they should repair the damage they did to the scoundrel tree... and the executioner tree... when they do.
My build will not be affected nor will the builds of non-perma MI/Sabs... but it will help solve the innocuous hate-banging of all TRs.
When I face a TR that does not use the sab SoO Im happy, even if I lose the fight, because Its fair. And TBH I realized my gameplay level after watching some TR vids. Its ok, Im not the best, but please, I dont want any TR killing me with SoO.
Most TRs will not use impossible to catch while stealthed, so they are vulnerable to CC
You can use the domination node to guess the TR's position
The majority of TRs suck. Only a few of them are really good. This is also true for any class. However piercing damage is unnacceptable, it's been breaking the pvp balance since it's been implemented. No matter how much you work on how tenacity and DR works with piercing damage it wont matter
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that will probably never happen. scoundrel dazes were only strong against cw/hr since they are the only classes without a powerful defensive ability but it still got nerfed.
not sure about executioner since i was never bothered by that hit-and-run build since i can just deflect or dodge the incoming hit. also, how many versions of executioners and their shadow of demise have we gone through?
It seems like its making the entire attack piercing instead of adding some piercing damage on top. I don't see how any amount of bonuses from Power or anything else could take a weapon that does 700-900 damage and inflate its value to 10k. That's ****ing crazy.
Lets assume the TR weapon damage is 1k. If its just 75% of weapon damage, then it should be doing 750 damage per proc if it doesn't get affected by anything else. In order for the feat to NOT be turning the entire attack into piercing damage, it would have to be boosted by 1333% in total. I highly doubt that's the case, it looks like its just turning the entire attack into a piercing attack.
Anything that says weapon damage as its base, also takes into account bonuses for power, debuffs, crits, etc.
As a proc damage, it should not be allowed to crit, just a Stormspell, Deep Gash, and Fire of the Gods can't.
Frankly, even if they didn't touch how piercing works, they should at least limit the proc to damaging encounters. That would at least reduce how often it is occurring and forces players to actually reveal themselves to get the benefit (except when using shadowstrike - but at least that has a cooldown).
And yeah, scoundrel was completely broken. Can't daze even a SW long enough to get more attacks in. People always complained about scoundrels, but it was just dazing strike and smokebomb really perpetuating any daze. Getting back into stealth is just a pain because the stealth regen doesn't happen for scoundrels when taking damage.