Wow and the DC bashing continues, page after pager, mod after mod. This is a problem that needs to be fixed ASAP. But it looks like geas was more important than this lag, your priorities is in all the right places.
This community us just vibing with all the toxicity, you know what I'm tired of being blamed for something like this its endless. So I never use AS on dragon heralds as I know what it cause but this endless bashing on the DC has just made me decide to spam it as much as possible to frustrate players so that they can come and complain more and maybe then the devs will fix it.
See you in game spamming my AS on the dragon heralds, enjoy. Thanks for your continued DC bashing for without it I would never have done this, great work.
Wow and the DC bashing continues, page after pager, mod after mod. This is a problem that needs to be fixed ASAP. But it looks like geas was more important than this lag, your priorities is in all the right places.
This community us just vibing with all the toxicity, you know what I'm tired of being blamed for something like this its endless. So I never use AS on dragon heralds as I know what it cause but this endless bashing on the DC has just made me decide to spam it as much as possible to frustrate players so that they can come and complain more and maybe then the devs will fix it.
See you in game spamming my AS on the dragon heralds, enjoy. Thanks for your continued DC bashing for without it I would never have done this, great work.
and now your part of the reason we dont like clerics who spam astral seal on dragons. did this post go after clerics who dont use astral seal? no it did not. have fun being hated and kicked from partys because of that.its immature actions like this that doesnt make friends.
And this yellow border is the same effect like the one you would see on the dragon, except smaller.
My actual feels on this matter:
Even as a CW, I wince whenever I see people advertising in the zone chat that clerics and paladins are not invited and then hearing them harass every player of those classes before, during, and after a herald run. If you are familiar with that at-will and do see a cleric casting Astral Seal, then it's good if you ask them to stop doing that, but as we all know, it's also possible to have lag without any astral seals. Hopefully the pics I posted will help.
and now your part of the reason we dont like clerics who spam astral seal on dragons. did this post go after clerics who dont use astral seal? no it did not. have fun being hated and kicked from partys because of that.its immature actions like this that doesnt make friends.
You are being way too harsh.
Ofc he is upset. It will pass, just like it did for the rest of us while running tiamat.
....
Too much anger everywhere..seriously.
Not one part of the forum is safe any more.
You are being way too harsh.
Ofc he is upset. It will pass, just like it did for the rest of us while running tiamat.
....
Too much anger everywhere..seriously.
Not one part of the forum is safe any more.
im not trying ot be too harsh. but people infuriate me when they say things like that. its why i dont babysit i cant take kids complaining. im not saying hes a kid but thats the thing a kid would say and it just eats away at me.
im not trying ot be too harsh. but people infuriate me when they say things like that. its why i dont babysit i cant take kids complaining. im not saying hes a kid but thats the thing a kid would say and it just eats away at me.
Just think of people like baby guildies. It helps for me.
No matter the age, or difference in exp of playing mmos, you arent going to reach people until you put yourself in their shoes.
I still remember zone/say/trade rage when people said it is astral sheild, that is destroying tiamat.
Clerics got slattered so much it made me sad. Even when they did not use it, and i could tell cos i play a cleric for a long time.
After that it was finally discovered it was the seal, even if no offical info came out, people kicked out clerics out of the party in tia for that.
Zerg elite channels got full of rude comments and angry people.
All in all, it is how people are. There will always be people who will get it and the ones who does not.
So don't let it eats you...
arcanaxe is now where i was like..a year ago. It makes him mad. It is normal and common to defend your class. You would do that too if you see injustice done to your fav. char.
Just think of people like baby guildies. It helps for me.
No matter the age, or difference in exp of playing mmos, you arent going to reach people until you put yourself in their shoes.
I still remember zone/say/trade rage when people said it is astral sheild, that is destroying tiamat.
Clerics got slattered so much it made me sad. Even when they did not use it, and i could tell cos i play a cleric for a long time.
After that it was finally discovered it was the seal, even if no offical info came out, people kicked out clerics out of the party in tia for that.
Zerg elite channels got full of rude comments and angry people.
All in all, it is how people are. There will always be people who will get it and the ones who does not.
So don't let it eats you...
arcanaxe is now where i was like..a year ago. It makes him mad. It is normal and common to defend your class. You would do that too if you see injustice done to your fav. char.
i agree completely. very very very good point and extremely well worded thank you.
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instynctiveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,885Arc User
edited May 2015
While running Local Dragons with my DC, there's no more lag than normal when I use Astral Seal.
I haven't tried Heralds with her yet since Mod 6.. she's too squishy for WoD. But I will always use Astral Seal because it keeps people alive. Granted, ungrateful people, but at least they're alive.
It is normal and common to defend your class. You would do that too if you see injustice done to your fav. char.
Unless you play a GF. We gave up a l-o-n-g time ago
Whether or not AS is to blame, the toxicity comes from this fact:
We have a lot of grindy thing that we must do. Whenever something impacts that grind in a negative way, people get hostile and look for something/someone to blame. It's human nature (unfortunately) to look for blame.
The DCs have been the target for a long time (Mod 5 at least). Now, the Paladins are getting grief. I think the real issue is that the back-end servers and the local client have some serious issues that need to be programmatically addressed. Until that happens, we should all just work with what we have. If you can't do an entire Herald run, live with it. Most of us couldn't when Mod 5 first came out either.
It's a game folks. Read/watch the news. There are much bigger problems out there. If this game gets your blood pressure up, perhaps you should take a break.
What most people who don't play clerics, don't seem to understand is that we have to solo too. So it's impossible to survive, and build a 100% healing cleric, so I have to focus on dps as well. Astral Seals is probably the best ratio of the two in the game. Sorry I am always going to be using astral seals, don't have much choice.
What most people who don't play clerics, don't seem to understand is that we have to solo too. So it's impossible to survive, and build a 100% healing cleric, so I have to focus on dps as well. Astral Seals is probably the best ratio of the two in the game. Sorry I am always going to be using astral seals, don't have much choice.
you have plenty of choice. and you chose to lose many dragons cause of this. you can use other encounters you have plenty of damage and healing ones. i play a cleric.
you have plenty of choice. and you chose to lose many dragons cause of this. you can use other encounters you have plenty of damage and healing ones. i play a cleric.
If players were staying in red sometimes so that clerics can score some healing, astral seal wouldn't be required for so many clerics. An even simpler solution would be not to go over the instance cap, when you have 25 people fighting a dragon, you can use whichever spell you like, astral seal, paladin heals, whatever, and you won't have any lag.
Sometimes when people don't take damage I use one astral seal to make them lag in red a bit and get my great success. It's as simple as that.
What most people who don't play clerics, don't seem to understand is that we have to solo too. So it's impossible to survive, and build a 100% healing cleric, so I have to focus on dps as well. Astral Seals is probably the best ratio of the two in the game. Sorry I am always going to be using astral seals, don't have much choice.
This thread is only about overcrowded Herald runs (and Tiamat). For solo play and any other content, Astral Seal is fine.
Astral Seal isn't exactly lag, it's latency that has nothing to do with FPS drop for a change. When you press an encounter and it instantly resets (thus not goes through), when you have to press more than 3 times for it to register on the dragon, you look up to find someone's using Astral Seal. Once AS is gone, even though FPS is still <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, at least your encounters go through.
you have plenty of choice. and you chose to lose many dragons cause of this. you can use other encounters you have plenty of damage and healing ones. i play a cleric.
He was talking about soloing content. I wonder what you did in that 4 minutes.
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instynctiveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,885Arc User
edited May 2015
I'm looking forward to the next Heralds run with my DC. The ONLY thing I'm going to use is Astral Seal. And there isn't a gol-dang thing anyone can do about it.
AS bashing is nonsense and eye-roll inducing. My DC has it. He also has Burning Guidance. If I use it, nothing happens other than that people get healed, I do more damage, and I have a much better chance of Great Success.
Prism, however, is actually a problem. A very big problem. One isn't always enough; sometimes if I forget and use a daily I just get a bunch of spam; I think it depends on how many people are actually healing since it reflects that. However. The instant more than one OP uses a daily and Prism goes off? SCREEECH. The game comes to a halt. Why do I believe this when I don't buy Astral Seal as the cause of anything? Because Prism is so badly coded that in a *DUNGEON* two Justice OPs can bring the game to a halt and crash. No 40 people, no huge spam of abilities on dragons, just a tankadin and a healadin accidentally using their dailies at the same time.
See, Prism triggers off of Prism. It doesn't ignore activations from itself like it should. So two OPs with it going set up a feedback loop where their prism heals trigger prism heals and the game can't cope with it and goes kerblooey.
Two things need to happen to fix this: Prism needs to not trigger off of Prism, and Prism needs to only reflect to your party members or a max number of targets.
It's especially frustrating since it means my chances of Great Success are lower on my OP during Herald runs, because I can't use dailies, so I'm missing the DPS I'd get from Divine Judgement or the damage taken I'd get from Divine Protector.
However, neither is entirely the culprit. Most OPs have figured out themselves that it causes a mess when Prism happens; and DCs haven't noticed that but stop it anyway because they're sick of whining. I've done plenty of herald runs where neither was being used, no AS icon, no PrismPrismPrismPrismPrismPrismPrism going everywhere... And the instance is still a madhouse of rubberbanding. I had one herald run where nobody was using either and I couldn't even get to the dragon because I was rubberbanding so badly. You'll also see FPS loss.
The thing is this: The game engine simply can't handle what it's being asked to handle. Sure, we had 40 people in old GG, but they weren't usually all clustered in one spot and certain things, like GFs using Knight's Valor, would cause the same effects there with even fewer people in close proximity. The web of buffs and debuffs and damage and healing and triggers makes the server go splat; and the massive amount of visual crazy taxes even powerful computers.
Largely inactive, playing Skyforge as Nai Calus.
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feanor70118Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,170Arc User
edited May 2015
It's really sad to see people in denial over the well-known fact that Astral Seal causes lag and so does prism +dailies, and so does Knight's Valor. The use of any of them is against the rules in every private high-DPS/high gear chat channel, and runs with those channels experience little to no lag and often, even before the new one-shot exploit we've been seeing, kill 9 or 10 dragons in a single run.
Also, would the two or three of you who have childishly said that you're going to spam those abilities please post your in-game account identifier so we can all put you on our ignore lists? Thanks.
What most people who don't play clerics, don't seem to understand is that we have to solo too. So it's impossible to survive, and build a 100% healing cleric, so I have to focus on dps as well. Astral Seals is probably the best ratio of the two in the game. Sorry I am always going to be using astral seals, don't have much choice.
If you counting on Astral seal for your own surviveability you're doing something wrong.
If you counting on Aseal as your #1 dps att will, you doing something wrong.
My main is a heal DC, and i never ever in a life time gonna use Aseal in dragon runs, Why?
1. Cause its not really needed when 40 ppl are around the dragon. there are tons of other powers to heal and keep em alive.
2. cause lance of faith is doing more dmg. (even scared flame is doing more dmg)
3. cause ppl asked, and as a respectfull player to the community, AND for my own benefits and progression ingame.
what most DC's fail to understand, that a player like you thats saying "sorry im gonna use aseal all the time" give the intire class a bad name, that leads to shouting in zone chat that DC's are not welcome in the DR.
Arohan - 3k CW Arohan-DC - 3k DC Che Guevara - 3.6k OP tank Hodor - 2.6k GWF
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This community us just vibing with all the toxicity, you know what I'm tired of being blamed for something like this its endless. So I never use AS on dragon heralds as I know what it cause but this endless bashing on the DC has just made me decide to spam it as much as possible to frustrate players so that they can come and complain more and maybe then the devs will fix it.
See you in game spamming my AS on the dragon heralds, enjoy. Thanks for your continued DC bashing for without it I would never have done this, great work.
This is the icon for an active Astral Seal.
Same as this: http://nwcalc.com/img/powers/Cleric_Atwill_Astralseal.png
And this yellow border is the same effect like the one you would see on the dragon, except smaller.
My actual feels on this matter:
Even as a CW, I wince whenever I see people advertising in the zone chat that clerics and paladins are not invited and then hearing them harass every player of those classes before, during, and after a herald run. If you are familiar with that at-will and do see a cleric casting Astral Seal, then it's good if you ask them to stop doing that, but as we all know, it's also possible to have lag without any astral seals. Hopefully the pics I posted will help.
You are being way too harsh.
Ofc he is upset. It will pass, just like it did for the rest of us while running tiamat.
....
Too much anger everywhere..seriously.
Not one part of the forum is safe any more.
Just think of people like baby guildies. It helps for me.
No matter the age, or difference in exp of playing mmos, you arent going to reach people until you put yourself in their shoes.
I still remember zone/say/trade rage when people said it is astral sheild, that is destroying tiamat.
Clerics got slattered so much it made me sad. Even when they did not use it, and i could tell cos i play a cleric for a long time.
After that it was finally discovered it was the seal, even if no offical info came out, people kicked out clerics out of the party in tia for that.
Zerg elite channels got full of rude comments and angry people.
All in all, it is how people are. There will always be people who will get it and the ones who does not.
So don't let it eats you...
arcanaxe is now where i was like..a year ago. It makes him mad. It is normal and common to defend your class. You would do that too if you see injustice done to your fav. char.
I haven't tried Heralds with her yet since Mod 6.. she's too squishy for WoD. But I will always use Astral Seal because it keeps people alive. Granted, ungrateful people, but at least they're alive.
"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
Unless you play a GF. We gave up a l-o-n-g time ago
Whether or not AS is to blame, the toxicity comes from this fact:
We have a lot of grindy thing that we must do. Whenever something impacts that grind in a negative way, people get hostile and look for something/someone to blame. It's human nature (unfortunately) to look for blame.
The DCs have been the target for a long time (Mod 5 at least). Now, the Paladins are getting grief. I think the real issue is that the back-end servers and the local client have some serious issues that need to be programmatically addressed. Until that happens, we should all just work with what we have. If you can't do an entire Herald run, live with it. Most of us couldn't when Mod 5 first came out either.
It's a game folks. Read/watch the news. There are much bigger problems out there. If this game gets your blood pressure up, perhaps you should take a break.
Albert Einstein
you have plenty of choice. and you chose to lose many dragons cause of this. you can use other encounters you have plenty of damage and healing ones. i play a cleric.
If players were staying in red sometimes so that clerics can score some healing, astral seal wouldn't be required for so many clerics. An even simpler solution would be not to go over the instance cap, when you have 25 people fighting a dragon, you can use whichever spell you like, astral seal, paladin heals, whatever, and you won't have any lag.
Sometimes when people don't take damage I use one astral seal to make them lag in red a bit and get my great success. It's as simple as that.
This thread is only about overcrowded Herald runs (and Tiamat). For solo play and any other content, Astral Seal is fine.
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
He was talking about soloing content. I wonder what you did in that 4 minutes.
:-D
"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
#Astral Seal for Life!
#Astral Seal for the win!
=P
*Run away*
Prism, however, is actually a problem. A very big problem. One isn't always enough; sometimes if I forget and use a daily I just get a bunch of spam; I think it depends on how many people are actually healing since it reflects that. However. The instant more than one OP uses a daily and Prism goes off? SCREEECH. The game comes to a halt. Why do I believe this when I don't buy Astral Seal as the cause of anything? Because Prism is so badly coded that in a *DUNGEON* two Justice OPs can bring the game to a halt and crash. No 40 people, no huge spam of abilities on dragons, just a tankadin and a healadin accidentally using their dailies at the same time.
See, Prism triggers off of Prism. It doesn't ignore activations from itself like it should. So two OPs with it going set up a feedback loop where their prism heals trigger prism heals and the game can't cope with it and goes kerblooey.
Two things need to happen to fix this: Prism needs to not trigger off of Prism, and Prism needs to only reflect to your party members or a max number of targets.
It's especially frustrating since it means my chances of Great Success are lower on my OP during Herald runs, because I can't use dailies, so I'm missing the DPS I'd get from Divine Judgement or the damage taken I'd get from Divine Protector.
However, neither is entirely the culprit. Most OPs have figured out themselves that it causes a mess when Prism happens; and DCs haven't noticed that but stop it anyway because they're sick of whining. I've done plenty of herald runs where neither was being used, no AS icon, no PrismPrismPrismPrismPrismPrismPrism going everywhere... And the instance is still a madhouse of rubberbanding. I had one herald run where nobody was using either and I couldn't even get to the dragon because I was rubberbanding so badly. You'll also see FPS loss.
The thing is this: The game engine simply can't handle what it's being asked to handle. Sure, we had 40 people in old GG, but they weren't usually all clustered in one spot and certain things, like GFs using Knight's Valor, would cause the same effects there with even fewer people in close proximity. The web of buffs and debuffs and damage and healing and triggers makes the server go splat; and the massive amount of visual crazy taxes even powerful computers.
Also, would the two or three of you who have childishly said that you're going to spam those abilities please post your in-game account identifier so we can all put you on our ignore lists? Thanks.
If you counting on Astral seal for your own surviveability you're doing something wrong.
If you counting on Aseal as your #1 dps att will, you doing something wrong.
My main is a heal DC, and i never ever in a life time gonna use Aseal in dragon runs, Why?
1. Cause its not really needed when 40 ppl are around the dragon. there are tons of other powers to heal and keep em alive.
2. cause lance of faith is doing more dmg. (even scared flame is doing more dmg)
3. cause ppl asked, and as a respectfull player to the community, AND for my own benefits and progression ingame.
what most DC's fail to understand, that a player like you thats saying "sorry im gonna use aseal all the time" give the intire class a bad name, that leads to shouting in zone chat that DC's are not welcome in the DR.
Arohan-DC - 3k DC
Che Guevara - 3.6k OP tank
Hodor - 2.6k GWF