Seen em, didn't like em. I lose a crapload of arm pen in exchange for mostly HP. But if you're in HV it might be worth it.
That basically sums up how I feel about shield (and repel for that matter). It's a slot wasted on something I shouldn't have to rely on. The tank and DC are there to keep me alive, I'm there to kill and control. That wasted slot can be put to better use if you have an intelligent party.
im willing to bet your not oppressor . if your only there to control then why arent you oppressor?
0
thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
Seen em, didn't like em. I lose a crapload of arm pen in exchange for mostly HP. But if you're in HV it might be worth it.
That basically sums up how I feel about shield (and repel for that matter). It's a slot wasted on something I shouldn't have to rely on. The tank and DC are there to keep me alive, I'm there to kill and control. That wasted slot can be put to better use if you have an intelligent party.
But, but, but, but I thought CW was a tank just like dc, otherwise the devs would not have given us a shield (dc's are even better tanks...they got an ASTRAL shield)
Not in T2 dungeons, she's not. Even with shield on, you ain't tanking anything.
Except for boss attacks, I can normally survive a hit in a T2 dungeon if shield is undiminished and health is at max.
Surviving an archer shot (without soulforged proccing) is not uncommon.
Best CW tank I saw, used shield on tab and angel of protection which gives 50% damage reduction for 10 seconds after the first hit.
Edit: One time, I kited the boss in Epic Gray Wolf Den for many minutes.
sometimes, I could survive one hit from her, but sometimes she would one-shot me (soulforge proc).
0
ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
Except for boss attacks, I can normally survive a hit in a T2 dungeon if shield is undiminished and health is at max.
Surviving an archer shot (without soulforged proccing) is not uncommon.
Best CW tank I saw, used shield on tab and angel of protection which gives 50% damage reduction for 10 seconds after the first hit.
Edit: One time, I kited the boss in Epic Gray Wolf Den for many minutes.
sometimes, I could survive one hit from her, but sometimes she would one-shot me (soulforge proc).
CW is not GF or OP.
In addition to shield, CW has control and dodge.
Dodge gives temporary 100% damage resistance which is very useful to tank multiple hits which would kill CW.
One time, I solo'd the first 2-3 mobs in epic cragmire crypt, before some players joined the instance.
Good CW can solo many mobs in epic T2 but may need help in boss fights and with CC immune monsters.
Dedicated tanks and healers are only needed in some boss fights, and for CW with poor survivability/control.
So you can avoid being killed by a couple archers by using shield on tab, all your dodges, soulforge proc and god knows what else? While with a tank in group you can dps/control without even getting hit once... I don't understand the logic here, you sacrifice dps and control for what? For killing some trash mobs alone? Just lol. Do you realise those archers can shoot like they have an assault rifle and wipe all party in a couple seconds no matter what? They have to die fast, thats all. Take ur cw tank bs somewhere else. Also you explaining to ironzerg how dodge works it's even more hilarious.
So you can avoid being killed by a couple archers by using shield on tab, all your dodges, soulforge proc and god knows what else? While with a tank in group you can dps/control without even getting hit once... I don't understand the logic here, you sacrifice dps and control for what? For killing some trash mobs alone? Just lol. Do you realise those archers can shoot like they have an assault rifle and wipe all party in a couple seconds no matter what? They have to die fast, thats all. Take ur cw tank bs somewhere else. Also you explaining to ironzerg how dodge works it's even more hilarious.
My point is that it's possible to be a CW tank.
Of course, can't tank as well as GF/OP, but can tank enough, when combined with control and dodge, to kill most T1/T2 dungeon mobs.
5 dps, including CW tank as lead, can clear dungeon mobs faster than 4 dps + slow GF/OP as lead.
If I were to form a party to kill only the first two bosses in epic Cragmire Crypt, it would not include a GF/OP.
Archers may kill a GF/OP and the average player in a few seconds, but not a well-built/played CW.
If your party is killed by archers, then the CW has failed to protect the party.
Being able to solo mobs (which may contain archers) is simply proof that CW is a one-person army which, when using shield, includes some limited ability to tank (take some hits without dying). If I did not use shield, I could not guarantee my own survival, and thus could not guarantee party survival.
I only slot shield if I die several times while trying to beat some specific mob or miniboss with other rotations and/or with above average lag spikes
It's a very handy encounter to have in your back pocket, but I don't want to be overly dependent on it
Never. I'm a stubborn, stubborn lightfoot dodger and IMO the best skill a wiz has is his teleport. I honestly always thought overdependence on shield makes my fellow CWs unable to learn how to dodge properly, and my girlfriend now thanks me for vetoing the use of shield when she rolled her wiz...now. (She wasn't happy at the time though XD).
I don't even use it in dungeons (T1s or T2s) cause I'm not there to tank stuff, I don't have hard lag issues, and the Acolyte of Kelemvor is pretty sweet if I need a little bit of defensive uuumpf in a party. In hard solo stuff I pop out my Wild Hunt Rider to hold aggro for me, or I find some company - there is always someone in need of doing the same thing I want to do and making new friends is always nice...MMORPG and all XD.
Mind that I'm not even remotely BiS geared, never was, with my rank 7s and 8s and I use the new T1 (working on T2 piece by piece) pve set for casual nn pvp play even though I own a burning set. Also - I'm a MoF - lack of burst makes aggro managment a lot easier.
I just wanted to say shield to me is more like an lazy comfort crutch than a necessity, but If I play with some new CW who has serious lag issues - I'll be the first to suggest to him to try shield on tab; I even include it in my guides for begginers.
0
mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
edited May 2015
Hello about shield in tier 2 dungeon is must and should be on spell mastery in any case.My moto is alive wizard is the best controller.I will never kill my party to be jerk.WELL placed and timing on terrain-steal time-opressive force are enough to slot the shield on tab.
SHIELD tab:1:I dont kill my guardian fighter on valor.2:I can get one 2 hit to better place-timing my available controls.3.Rare i will die.
Thanks.
So you can avoid being killed by a couple archers by using shield on tab, all your dodges, soulforge proc and god knows what else? While with a tank in group you can dps/control without even getting hit once... I don't understand the logic here, you sacrifice dps and control for what? For killing some trash mobs alone? Just lol. Do you realise those archers can shoot like they have an assault rifle and wipe all party in a couple seconds no matter what? They have to die fast, thats all. Take ur cw tank bs somewhere else. Also you explaining to ironzerg how dodge works it's even more hilarious.
i can get the first hit from archer that give me time to cast the opressive force on archers in gray wolf den.Have you seen how fast they spawn? AT the same time tank is busy with the boss come on.BE the only wizard in the party and we will see what are you doing without shield.I DONT care about damage you care about damage you care maybe the true damge dealer pass your damage.The TRUE controler will care to stay alive to control.
I like using shield on tab - it gives a lot of survivability and less dependence on potions. I also don't have to spend much time teleporting around to avoid hits and can get on with the job of melting foes. My other three encounters are a mix of control and DPS, and I find they do a good enough job of getting through practically all PvE content.
If I see my HP draining quickly, then I know my shield is down and will need a few seconds to recover. Some defensive healing boons, a few potions, and maybe a chaotic growth proc and then I'm back in action taking down mobs, limiting fighting downtime.
Also, if a CW dies, all that careful control you put in evaporates i.e. frozen monsters are instantly free, which could be disastrous in a T1 or T2 dungeon if a set of monsters suddenly start thwacking people who thought the mobs were going to be frozen for a few more seconds ...
Comments
But, but, but, but I thought CW was a tank just like dc, otherwise the devs would not have given us a shield
You do see where they said "kill and control", right?
Tank, control, dps, and healer/buffer.
shield on tab is a "must-have" for CW tank.
Not in T2 dungeons, she's not. Even with shield on, you ain't tanking anything.
Except for boss attacks, I can normally survive a hit in a T2 dungeon if shield is undiminished and health is at max.
Surviving an archer shot (without soulforged proccing) is not uncommon.
Best CW tank I saw, used shield on tab and angel of protection which gives 50% damage reduction for 10 seconds after the first hit.
Edit: One time, I kited the boss in Epic Gray Wolf Den for many minutes.
sometimes, I could survive one hit from her, but sometimes she would one-shot me (soulforge proc).
I wouldn't call that tanking
In addition to shield, CW has control and dodge.
Dodge gives temporary 100% damage resistance which is very useful to tank multiple hits which would kill CW.
One time, I solo'd the first 2-3 mobs in epic cragmire crypt, before some players joined the instance.
Good CW can solo many mobs in epic T2 but may need help in boss fights and with CC immune monsters.
Dedicated tanks and healers are only needed in some boss fights, and for CW with poor survivability/control.
My point is that it's possible to be a CW tank.
Of course, can't tank as well as GF/OP, but can tank enough, when combined with control and dodge, to kill most T1/T2 dungeon mobs.
5 dps, including CW tank as lead, can clear dungeon mobs faster than 4 dps + slow GF/OP as lead.
If I were to form a party to kill only the first two bosses in epic Cragmire Crypt, it would not include a GF/OP.
Archers may kill a GF/OP and the average player in a few seconds, but not a well-built/played CW.
If your party is killed by archers, then the CW has failed to protect the party.
Being able to solo mobs (which may contain archers) is simply proof that CW is a one-person army which, when using shield, includes some limited ability to tank (take some hits without dying). If I did not use shield, I could not guarantee my own survival, and thus could not guarantee party survival.
It's a very handy encounter to have in your back pocket, but I don't want to be overly dependent on it
Shield on tab has given me greater survivability.
I don't even use it in dungeons (T1s or T2s) cause I'm not there to tank stuff, I don't have hard lag issues, and the Acolyte of Kelemvor is pretty sweet if I need a little bit of defensive uuumpf in a party. In hard solo stuff I pop out my Wild Hunt Rider to hold aggro for me, or I find some company - there is always someone in need of doing the same thing I want to do and making new friends is always nice...MMORPG and all XD.
Mind that I'm not even remotely BiS geared, never was, with my rank 7s and 8s and I use the new T1 (working on T2 piece by piece) pve set for casual nn pvp play even though I own a burning set. Also - I'm a MoF - lack of burst makes aggro managment a lot easier.
I just wanted to say shield to me is more like an lazy comfort crutch than a necessity, but If I play with some new CW who has serious lag issues - I'll be the first to suggest to him to try shield on tab; I even include it in my guides for begginers.
SHIELD tab:1:I dont kill my guardian fighter on valor.2:I can get one 2 hit to better place-timing my available controls.3.Rare i will die.
Thanks.
i can get the first hit from archer that give me time to cast the opressive force on archers in gray wolf den.Have you seen how fast they spawn? AT the same time tank is busy with the boss come on.BE the only wizard in the party and we will see what are you doing without shield.I DONT care about damage you care about damage you care maybe the true damge dealer pass your damage.The TRUE controler will care to stay alive to control.
If I see my HP draining quickly, then I know my shield is down and will need a few seconds to recover. Some defensive healing boons, a few potions, and maybe a chaotic growth proc and then I'm back in action taking down mobs, limiting fighting downtime.
Also, if a CW dies, all that careful control you put in evaporates i.e. frozen monsters are instantly free, which could be disastrous in a T1 or T2 dungeon if a set of monsters suddenly start thwacking people who thought the mobs were going to be frozen for a few more seconds ...