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68 SW in Spinward...one shot ensues...what do I do?
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I've leveled a OP to 70 through the 16 task grinds and they were hard enough. I wondered how someone that was squishy could possibly do this if I was getting beaten down as an OP.
So I hit 60 with my SW and decided to go back and do everything else but the new content. I got to 68. I then bought all blue items at the max level I can use (67-68) and fitted with all rank 5 enchants with item level of 1621. I have the Angel of Protection healing companion at max rank. One of my missions is to kill Axe Beaks. They hit for 10k each. So if I have more than 2...I'm pretty much insta-killed. I can barely finish killing any group with 3 mobs. Add a 4th and I'm done.
I am Hellbringer spec and HAVE to slot vamp embrace. I also use fiery bolt and killing flames. I didn't go the perma shadow puppet route...maybe that will afford me some more survivability. I am at a loss because I cannot do this content. Do I need to go back and do the earlier tasks until I hit 70 so that I can just barely do the level 67 content? Am I totally playing this SW wrong. Do I just need to shelve this guy until they change the difficulty?
This game pisses me off more than anything at this point. It FAR more frustrating than fun.
So I hit 60 with my SW and decided to go back and do everything else but the new content. I got to 68. I then bought all blue items at the max level I can use (67-68) and fitted with all rank 5 enchants with item level of 1621. I have the Angel of Protection healing companion at max rank. One of my missions is to kill Axe Beaks. They hit for 10k each. So if I have more than 2...I'm pretty much insta-killed. I can barely finish killing any group with 3 mobs. Add a 4th and I'm done.
I am Hellbringer spec and HAVE to slot vamp embrace. I also use fiery bolt and killing flames. I didn't go the perma shadow puppet route...maybe that will afford me some more survivability. I am at a loss because I cannot do this content. Do I need to go back and do the earlier tasks until I hit 70 so that I can just barely do the level 67 content? Am I totally playing this SW wrong. Do I just need to shelve this guy until they change the difficulty?
This game pisses me off more than anything at this point. It FAR more frustrating than fun.
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Those stupid bird people and axe beaks will murder you before you even cast anything. The SW really needs it's lifesteal back. The GWF at least gets fortified with temp HP and DR, the SW doesn't get that nor tools to avoid being chased down and butchered.
That's your issue. When the game says "recommanded" then it's better, and this time, the system works fine. You get drops better than your T2 gear as soon as lvl 63 or so. You chose not to equip it. Of course you're going to struggle.
My guess is BI gear item level is incorrect because it is better item level than anything I ever picked up so I never used the newer gear. Does anyone know if this is the case? That the BI gear item level is in fact incorrect? So nothing was ever "recommended" for me to use it. The BI gear is all lvl 115 or 125...can't remember which. Its 116...looked up on gateway.
though i dont play sw much i had some success with mine in shore as tempt forgot_the_name_2nd_paragon(for heals from those stacks) focusing on max life steal and damage resistance using laz0r(mainDPS), bargain(for damage resistance and some heal on the way) those flying knives for 10% dr feat
though i dont know what it would do in higher lvl content, dmg might be too short
There's a good amount of older SWs who leveled to 70 with T2 gear, including myself.
So, no, it's not that big of a problem.
Go Cryptic!
PS - I quit.
I do have one...grasp. I can try that. On a group of 3 with one hard hitter and 2 soft, this tactic should work. But is going to hurt on groups with 2 hard hitters or groups of 4.
I'll give it a try.
I'm hellbringer, I have every spell(since I've few class feature) but I never use dreadtheft(****tiest skill I've ever seen in my life, like devs don't have the ability to.. idk), I don't use fiery bolt since killing three mob with that is impossible for me, so I focus on one, it takes 1-2 seconds but I usually get hit and die while skills are on cd. I've blades, arms of hadar, curse bite but I don't think they'd save me.
I go with Hadar's Grasp, Warlock's Bargain, Killing Flames and Hellish Rebuke, that kills one mob.
Encounters: Infernal Spheres/Killing Flames/Dreadtheft.
At-will: HoB/DarkSpiral
Daily: Accursed Souls/Flames
Still, I get my butt handed to me in the Slaad lair...sheesh
I just finished Spinward Rise on my Fury SW, running Warlock's Bargain, Blades/Killing Flames and Dreadtheft for encounters (Hellish Rebuke and Hand of Blight for at-wills, Brood of Hadar and Tyrannical Threat for dailies). I used the healing companion from the OP pack, but you say you have the angel, which is at least as good.
You really need to learn to use Dreadtheft. I know it can be annoying with any stun knocking it off, or even sprinting out of red zones -- but it's one of our best powers, and combined with Warlock's Bargain procs tons of Creeping Death stacks.
And don't be afraid to use Tyrannical Threat on any pack, don't save it just for big boss fights.
slaad lair is really really really hard for everyone not just sws. i stopped doing them cause i died so many times with my hr.
I found this to be a big problem for me as to how to actually build my HP up since the BI gear which is "better" than anything found doesn't add much hp at all. I did notice on on the lvl 65 armor was adding 10k to HP so I have been looking to respec with 70 rare equip to see how much better it is.
Oh wait, I've 28k hp... thx
Buy some blue PvP gear if you can. That will at least give you some decent stats at you level. You're gonna have trouble for sure since this mod was basically designed to go at it with a group. SW are still broken and devs are to dam lazy to fix this atrocity so you'll have to deal with the difficulty or roll another class. Sorry.
KF + DT + FB have solved every problem for me since....forever. Swap out FB for WB in long boss fights. Arms of Hadar isn't too bad for the CC. Hadar's Grasp is decent at best. Good for single target destruction sure, but way long cd. Best for PvP imo.
BoVA I enjoy sometimes, but I think it works best with SB lock in conjunction with sparks. HB lock is best at ranged.
You're probably dying a lot simply from lack of gear. Find some stuff with Hp (PvP gear is pretty solid) and you should see improvements. The faster you kill the mob the less time they have to kill you. Mod 6 is all about damage it seems. Stop tryng to control the mob and just blow it up.
Well....The system tells me a green shield level 10 is better for my op then dragon bone shield so...
I took a break since November and started playing again on Friday. Between the repetitiveness of the 16 X 3 leveling quests and the degrading power (not gotten a single reasonable upgrade yet) with each level, I am not getting a lot of enjoyment and am considering quitting early before I invest any more time.
Does it get better at 70?
That is my typical setup and with all blue items at my level and r5 enchants in all the gear, it is impossible to survive. I now use DT, Vamp, Grasp. This setup so far has given me the best survivability but I still get crunched pretty darn easy.
Absolutely. But how to get the gear if the place you need to get the gear is impossible to do without the gear? I really hate PvP so I rather park my SW if that is the only option.
Here is what vexes me. It cannot be the intention to force people to PvP to get gear to be able to complete the PvE content. It also cannot be the intention to force people to group after we learned this the hard way from Everquest 20 years ago. It cannot be the intention to do an impossibly hard level 70 zone that rewards level 60 gear. Ghost stories for instance. There is no way a sub level 70 toon can complete this solo (well, almost impossible). So why make it a requirement as you are doing the campaign that is designed for lower levels? So I really wonder what the intentions are/were with all these changes. It's just really odd and feels totally out of whack.
My level 70 OP that has about 1800 item level feels about right with all this content. But getting there was a struggle. Not really a fun struggle. But looking back, a total breeze next to my SW.
The slaad lair is pretty brutal, and Nimbus Tower is even worse. The problem with facing multiple giants is the constant interruptions and knockbacks.
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Not the Angel of Protection you are using of course, but one that will attack and draw attention, example the free frost mimic from winter event, Erinyes of Belial etc.
I've tried this too. I have a green defender at max level. He seems to get mauled almost immediately. I'll try that with my CC setup and see if it adds even more.
It's unfortunate that really good classes are beaten so badly with the nerf bat once their successor shows up and makes me wonder how long before the OP can no longer be considered "OP".
Also, I've been respecing all my characters to give them every feat and boon that affects their Hit Points, Regeneration, Healing, and Incoming/Outgoing Healing Bonus. I find this to be very crucial, especially the first class feat giving 9% more HP.
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A couple of issues with your method is for new characters, especially paladins where decent blue gear is significantly more expensive due to the rarity of blue drops. As for getting the WoD gear, that requires fangs that are surplus on toons that ran the campaign but very scarce for new toons that have to run the quests to get their 3 a day and with the bugged hoard return there is no way to get extra by turning in that quest. Removing the fang gate would alleviate this issue and make the new end game content much more palatable for new players or those running a new character.
Yeah, the Elemental chest piece will be my biggest fuss on several characters, as I really like having an armor slot and it's the only one in the mid-point from our old gear to the new gear, which kinda sucks, especially on my characters that I've never started WoD on yet. I've already decided though on those characters, I'll just suck it up and run them in level 70 blue chest piece without the armor slot until they get enough to buy the Elemental chest piece.
As for new characters/players: This really shouldn't be felt as bad as they will be getting leveling gear as they level from quests, drops and the auction house. The issue is so many of us have put a great deal of time and effort into our old 60 gear sets that we are basically gimped until we overcome our affinity with them and switch to the new level 61+ gear. With new characters/players, they won't ever see these sets and will just continue the level advancement to 70, using quest reward gear, drops and auction house purchases.
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