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neirgara
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Hello, I'm Neirgara. I play a TR and I'm tired of getting insulted and titled as "brainless", "skilless", "****", "P2W" or "kid", just because of my class choice.
Now, that it's out, let me tell you something, that may be interesting to you, if you tend to get frustrated in PVP very often, thanks to Rogues.
First of all, I assure you, I understand.
PVP is not the highest priority in this game and thus has become very unbalanced and unhealthy. There are many different reasons, like a bad matchmaking system.
Another reason is the insane defensive and offensive ability of the Trickster Rogue and it really gets annoying to play against them. I myself hate playing against them more than anything. And if you ask me, it is time for the TR to get another update, one that makes the class a tactical asset instead of an invisible killing machine.
But the question, if and how the class gets changed is not the core of my post. It is the way, people behave when talking to TR players, which needs to change. Here are some of my experiences:
I'm a PVE player, so for some time I tried to ignore PVP, because thanks to its competitive nature it has a way of attracting people, that are not nice. But then I wanted to get the Banner Artifacts. So I needed to play PVP.
First, I got used to the insults made by immature players, that have problems to accept a failure. But then the insults became more and more, until it was difficult to bear. Especially, as the insulting and name-giving became focused solely on my class choice. I tended to think of the majority of PVP players as young people in the bloom of their puberty, being as unbearable and despicable as possible.
But then I also began to PVP with another toon for the same reasons. And the insulting stopped. I also was able to talk to other people in my team and the opponents. I found out, that many of them were generally mature and normal people and had much in common with me. But they were frustrated and vented it on the TR (who was part of the reason for their frustration)
It made me sad, that these usually nice people belonged to the ones, that werte absolutely not nice to me before. And I was sad, that I had such a low opinion of them, when they actually were ok.
So I decided, to write this post, to reach these people and show you some things, you should consider, before hating on other players because they happen to play a TR.
1. I started playing about 1,5 years ago. The TR was my first choice, because of the interesting combat gameplay. Also I play a Shadow Dancer in a D&D Pen and Paper campaign, that is quite fun to play. I remember that time, when I got regularly kicked from random groups because "TR is such a bad class", "TR does not enough Damage", "TR is useless, we only want Cws". Then suddenly the TR got buffed and very strong. Too strong, that is right. But it is not my fault.
So, if you think, I'm a bad person, because I chose the TR to be succesful in PVP, then you are wrong. I did it, BEFORE it was good.
2. I'm over 30, with a well paid job, a wonderful wife, a house, a core of really good friends, things to do outside of NW.
I think, that shows, that I'm not a kid, not a looser and actually HAVE a real life (so there is no reason to tell me to get one) The fact, that I chose the TR as a class does not change these facts.
3. I'm educated in several different jobs, because I took the time to learn many things an chose to be as qualified as possible. Which mostly is the reason for having all the things I said before. Also I speak 3 languages, with english not being my first one. Still I talk in whole sentences and my grammar most of the time is better than that of the one insulting me.
I'm sure, this shows, I'm far from being brainless or "******ed".
4. I play 3 different classes, each one quite succesfully in PVE and PVP. I'm able to solo most T1 and T2 dungeons with them. Each of the characters has End Game equipment, that I was able to farm and no one has enchantments better than level 7. That's, because I'm not willing to spend huge amounts of AD or real money into such a small stat benefit better enchantments would grant me. Actually, I never ever spent real money in anything else than the Packs you can not get for Zen.
As you see, I actually have skill and I'm winning, because of that, not because of any spent money.
The things I told you are not only true for me, but also for many other players. And if you call us names, then you are not only completely wrong. It also let's us think less of you. And, most importantly: It hurts us, one way or the other. Some take it very personally, others are just loosing fun playing the game. This makes you a bad player and a bad person.
Next time you lose, please take a second to consider the things I told you today. Not every TR is a choice made out of convenience. Not every TR is played by someone, who needs to compensate something. And not every failure against a TR is solely the result of the class being too strong.
The same is true for all other classes.
Don't insult. It's bad! Instead be a sportsman and say "GG".
Sorry for the long post, but I had to get that out of my system. I wish you all much success and good loot.
Now, that it's out, let me tell you something, that may be interesting to you, if you tend to get frustrated in PVP very often, thanks to Rogues.
First of all, I assure you, I understand.
PVP is not the highest priority in this game and thus has become very unbalanced and unhealthy. There are many different reasons, like a bad matchmaking system.
Another reason is the insane defensive and offensive ability of the Trickster Rogue and it really gets annoying to play against them. I myself hate playing against them more than anything. And if you ask me, it is time for the TR to get another update, one that makes the class a tactical asset instead of an invisible killing machine.
But the question, if and how the class gets changed is not the core of my post. It is the way, people behave when talking to TR players, which needs to change. Here are some of my experiences:
I'm a PVE player, so for some time I tried to ignore PVP, because thanks to its competitive nature it has a way of attracting people, that are not nice. But then I wanted to get the Banner Artifacts. So I needed to play PVP.
First, I got used to the insults made by immature players, that have problems to accept a failure. But then the insults became more and more, until it was difficult to bear. Especially, as the insulting and name-giving became focused solely on my class choice. I tended to think of the majority of PVP players as young people in the bloom of their puberty, being as unbearable and despicable as possible.
But then I also began to PVP with another toon for the same reasons. And the insulting stopped. I also was able to talk to other people in my team and the opponents. I found out, that many of them were generally mature and normal people and had much in common with me. But they were frustrated and vented it on the TR (who was part of the reason for their frustration)
It made me sad, that these usually nice people belonged to the ones, that werte absolutely not nice to me before. And I was sad, that I had such a low opinion of them, when they actually were ok.
So I decided, to write this post, to reach these people and show you some things, you should consider, before hating on other players because they happen to play a TR.
1. I started playing about 1,5 years ago. The TR was my first choice, because of the interesting combat gameplay. Also I play a Shadow Dancer in a D&D Pen and Paper campaign, that is quite fun to play. I remember that time, when I got regularly kicked from random groups because "TR is such a bad class", "TR does not enough Damage", "TR is useless, we only want Cws". Then suddenly the TR got buffed and very strong. Too strong, that is right. But it is not my fault.
So, if you think, I'm a bad person, because I chose the TR to be succesful in PVP, then you are wrong. I did it, BEFORE it was good.
2. I'm over 30, with a well paid job, a wonderful wife, a house, a core of really good friends, things to do outside of NW.
I think, that shows, that I'm not a kid, not a looser and actually HAVE a real life (so there is no reason to tell me to get one) The fact, that I chose the TR as a class does not change these facts.
3. I'm educated in several different jobs, because I took the time to learn many things an chose to be as qualified as possible. Which mostly is the reason for having all the things I said before. Also I speak 3 languages, with english not being my first one. Still I talk in whole sentences and my grammar most of the time is better than that of the one insulting me.
I'm sure, this shows, I'm far from being brainless or "******ed".
4. I play 3 different classes, each one quite succesfully in PVE and PVP. I'm able to solo most T1 and T2 dungeons with them. Each of the characters has End Game equipment, that I was able to farm and no one has enchantments better than level 7. That's, because I'm not willing to spend huge amounts of AD or real money into such a small stat benefit better enchantments would grant me. Actually, I never ever spent real money in anything else than the Packs you can not get for Zen.
As you see, I actually have skill and I'm winning, because of that, not because of any spent money.
The things I told you are not only true for me, but also for many other players. And if you call us names, then you are not only completely wrong. It also let's us think less of you. And, most importantly: It hurts us, one way or the other. Some take it very personally, others are just loosing fun playing the game. This makes you a bad player and a bad person.
Next time you lose, please take a second to consider the things I told you today. Not every TR is a choice made out of convenience. Not every TR is played by someone, who needs to compensate something. And not every failure against a TR is solely the result of the class being too strong.
The same is true for all other classes.
Don't insult. It's bad! Instead be a sportsman and say "GG".
Sorry for the long post, but I had to get that out of my system. I wish you all much success and good loot.
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I don't PVP because I don't like it much but it seems like TR is just the "flavor of the month" as far as people complaining about the class. Just remember, you may be a 30 year old adult, they may not be. Try not to take things personally, and if they start into you just put them on ignore.
mod4, mod5. PvP? you play OP class, you play easy class, you ...(bad person), you ...(very bad person XDDD).
ok, i'm tired myself of TR in pvp. but pve queue. Pirate/any dungeon, in fact. "need "any class but tr" why? cause only...bad ppl play TR. simple. it doesn't matter how much time i revived others or how faster we killed bosses/trash - i'm bad cause i'm TR.
ok, mod5. there *were* some skills and feats working wrong. you know who were the first to notice, describe and said that it need rework? TRs. other classes just spam the same threads - NERFFFF!!!111
at first i tried to explain that if devs change just some feats and powers - TR will be just fine. but, hey! i'm a tr myself! i just defend them and don't want any improvement and want to kill everyone in touch.
so, in fact... it just happens. It's TR community who knew that not everything works, that TR not the best defensive class, that scoundrel not the very evil of NWO. oh, and the very secret - TRs are mortal. i've killed dozens being DC, and i really wonder - is it just new players were, or TR in fact not that immortal.
It doesn't matter how much we explain how things are to other ppl, it's matter of fate, really. they just want to believe that TR is the very evil of NWO, there's nothing you can do with it. It's funny, really. They've got no problems with lags/incorrent skill working and so on. They would be happy if only TR will be removed from NWO.
They will nerf dazing and Shadow of Demise so what else is there to keep complaining about?
Next Mod another class might get Op and many will start complaining.
So on my opinion,just ignore such personalities and enjoy your gameplay.If someone says to much then report him so you can play in peace.You might even do a favor to everyone else then might have gotten annoyed by such people.
The difference is, that TRs are one of the few classes able to break a gridlock by the enemy team and go to their base. I play a TR myself and even without perma build or 'OP' tree I go to the enemy base, knowing full well, that I will get killed 2 or 3 v 1 sometimes in a few seconds, BUT while they squash me, my team can capture home and/or mid.
I do the same with every other class I play in PvP, but TR has the 'easiest' way to do so due to runspeeed and stealth. While every other class has to either take a long way or fight, to get to the enemy base, TR can slot runspeed passives and go undetected to the enemy base.
That may be a reason, why TRs get some heat even from their own team.
Other than that, yes it is frustrating, to get oneshotted or almost perma CCed by TRs, but tbh the SM GWF interrupting flurry to get a free CC every few seconds, the sunburst using faithful DC, HR with (almost) undodgeble roots whining about broken mechanics or exploits are hypocrits IMO.
As if its some big secret. ROFL.
Why are you still here? Just how insecure does one need to be to have to continuously bash other classes in their own boards? Do you see any DCs or TRs going to your boards to take a dump?
LOL. I changed my mind. Keep coming here, and keep doing this clowny thing.
It's at least good for a few laughs anyway. I mean, so transparent as to be predictable -- take a few nerfs for a single mod, and then immediately run to the beneficiaries of the mod and start a tantrum there.
How long were you geigh whiney buffoons nerfed for? Mod4? Mod5? Do you know how many continuous nerfs did us TRs go through before this big change in mod5? Let me count. mod1... mod2... mod3... mod4...
Man up and suck it up, please.
Your performance in-game speaks for itself. I just came here to post a comment since I saw it in the new posts feature. And you came here to quote me since you know you're cancerous.
I'm done with you lmaoooo, like I said, your in-game performance GREATLY speaks for itself. Later peasant.
See ya around geigh whiney buffoon.
Mr Mirrorballs, kweassa etc etc this from you in a thread about not insulting others is a good thing.....
No wonder you change name so oftey hey.....
...and of course, speak of the devil and another buffoon shows up. :rolleyes: Welcome back, marnival. Sent any more hatespams to other players lately? ROFL The very fact you mention of "not insulting others" is a logic-suicide considering your known tendency to send filth to any player who kicks your butt, ain't it.
Notice who showed up first and started TR bashing in our own forum? Just look a page or two before. But of course not. Why would you. It's a GWF clown doing the exact stuff you've criticize so naturally it doesn't even begin to compute in your brain.
Sorry but if you shoose to play Tr with good gear as you have in todays PvP you are the abuser. There is a reason 52 out of the first 80 on leaderboard is Tr and 78 on the russian server.
When you enter todays pvp as a Tr its like enter a home for eldery persons with the intension to fight. The advantage you have against slow moving eldery persons will make it a slaughter unless overwhelmed.
Now most *happy *grown up *nice persons actually realize this and takes some of their other class and go in to pvp fighting for the fun of a challange.
If you stick with your Tr on the bases that it once wasent THIS OP in pvp its only your exuce for playing something bordering to if not totally redicules in pvp namely an invisible killing machine.
You enter combat on with this invisible slaughter machine and run around abusing it to kill of others at your lesure for your own personal benifit and then ask them to gracefully accept it and tell them that they are bad persons when they send you bad tells.
Looked in the mirror lately - checked reality lately - intelligent you say, well not so much when it comes to others situation.....
Go check the mirror as your name suggest, telling others its bad to instult comming from you it demand a reality check- rock and glasshouses you know......
Got any pics of you self-bashing yourself in mod2?
Didn't think so. Hypocrisy in its finest.
And every single thing you ever throw at others, simply returns back to your own class, marnival. Mod2, mod3, broken mechanic abusing GWFs. Where were you then?
Enjoying the hell out of how broken the class was, where else?
Send us some more hypocritic bigotry plz.
Na am not a hypocrite like you trying to sound mature and mighty with one hand and insulting others like a 12 year old with the other.
I shelfed my gwf when bleed-roar was at its hight and played hr gf instead then when hr became to op in module 4 i started to play my gwf and gf again.
I never liked the FoTM class in pvp as it offers way to little challange something you have showed yourself to be clueless about ofc.
All you do is trying to tell people that Tr isent Op is a l2p issue and your all over the forums as soon as something comes up that can threated your beloved Tr class and then blaming anybody that comes to your forum like the two faced hypocrit you are.
You been the laughing stock under all your names and you certainly have manage to make it under the name Mirroballs so maby its time to pick a new try again SIR ...... go figure you manage to do it again.
Marnival, except TR, ru-PvP has another disease, even wicker - relogers. no need to remind you, am i right? i'm glad you didn't start with those russian fairytales about 10gs TR killing 20+gs *insert any other class*. oh, "one-shotting" *any other class*.
greatweaponarmy. honorable, fearless and mighty one. remind me again, why did Cain kill Abel? :rolleyes:
just have some fun and don't let anyone else ruin it it for you
Anybody thats been around pvp for extended period of times in many games knows what this OP tr **** leads to and its a slow death to pvp.
No pvp survives this Opness from one class as PvP need to draw from every class to survive in the long run.
Playing invisible that can escape at lesure and run in and kill at lesure while being more or less invulnerable to harm cc due to itc and + knife edge + dubble proc **** isent pvp its slaughter.
Tr in today nw pvp is a joke a mockery to everthing pvp stands for and being loyal to that well that is being dissloyal to the game if you want to go down that road...
Nothing kills pvp atm as much as the Tr manage to do even if there are other issues.
I know NON not a single one that i talked to that will stay another module if Tr turnes out to rule pvp they way they do now.
Myself another full module with this **** ... na dont think so either....
Really, sweety, that's the nicest thing you've ever told us all day long.
So when's your last day?
I assume you've spend most of your time to ask CW players to stop playing, as they have been the most OP class for a long amount of time ? Same for HR a few month ago ? And what about GWF at the time they were invincible ? And DC nowadays who simply out-heal damage ?
Are you asking every-one to stop playing their class when they are OP, or does TR receive a special treatment ?
neirgara => you see, that is the kind of non-constructive situations I was talking about Every-one roar, no one listen. I would like to see an efficient topic some day, one where we'll be able to discuss seriously about how things could get improved. But sadly, that is just a dream.
And all this... is just for a stupid video-game. I would like to say that they act like child... but most child are more reasonable.
Lets return to that issue when 52 out of 80 is another class then Tr.
If you pvped since start you would know that no class have been even near this dominating not even close by miles. Gwf at its hight you saw 3-4 gwf in a match mostly 3 now there is at least 4 trs and very often 5 in matches.
So yes Tr get special treatment because they are a special case.
There is no comparison in nws pvps history and franky no game I ever played have had one class dominate in such a godmode as the Tr currently do. So the question about the consept seam mostly to with lack of understanding or knowledge about how the pvp actually is today.
Putting yourself on a high horse trying to look down at these *children that dont like being trashed by something obviously broken that some others so much like to play seam to be exactly the *childish behavior you so easy would like to fram others for.
The reaility that playing Tr in todays pvp is giving you an anfair advantage toward all others and doing it for your own amusement is nothing but abuse at the cost of others.
As always there are 2 sides of the coin and however childish you think the other side is your side is no better when you draw the line....
Playing a TR is simply what I did since my first day on neverwinter, and what did on every RPG game I've played, as my main-character is always a rogue. I will not change because you think it's unfair. To paraphrase you :
The reality is that playing TR in yesterday's Neverwinter was an unfair disadvantage, that hadn't convinced most TR-players on this forum to reroll into an other class. Do you really think that such determination can be swept by insults and a blatant lack of respect ?
I know that TR is OP, but also that it was useless before. My ambition would be to find a way to balance it in both PvE and PvP, while keeping the option of having different builds. I am thinking about what's wrong with this TR since as long as I've been playing to Neverwinter. Abandon the class solve nothing.
Also, is it mature to insult people because of imbalance in a simple video-game, a leisure, without any impact on the much more important "real world" ?
About the game, I want TR to be balanced, and I am ready to discuss seriously about how to do this balance, in order for everyone to have fun. But as long as people insult and throw mindless concepts, I stand against them. I'm always pleased to debate with peoples who have a different opinion, in order to create with them a more efficient vision than the ones we were having before.
Mature people sit around the table and discuss. This allow constructive feedback and suggestions, this lead to progress.
Immature people come, cry, and insult. This lead to more people coming to cry and insult.
When I see discussions like the one visible on page 3, I can only put you (and not only you, I give you this point) in this second category. Read it again if you don't trust me... All this... thing... is just about who is the beast, TR are cheater, mister X is an idiot, mister Z had started first... THIS IS IN NO WAY SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE!
Prove me I am wrong, be constructive instead of disrespectful. But if you prefer, continue to cry and insult, and admit that you are just here to complain, without any ambition to find a solution that will please every-one, but only the solution that would please yourself.
So, either you prove me that you are able to point carefully what feats, powers, abilities seams broken and why, in order for us to discuss (we will probably not agree, and that is where things became attractive), or you continue on your actual way and I will consider that this conversation had ended. There is no in-between.
free2pay :
indeed, TR had twice, but also had been in possession of the worst available place between those two good chairs : the bottom of the abyss.
We are going in a circle, it's time to free ourself and find a more definitive solution. Something that will place TR at the same level as others class, avoiding major unbalance in the futur, even if there will always be a class on top of others...
That is why we can't simply nerf TR again, because we had already tried without success.
Poor class, completely un-balanced, in the way mod2/3/4 TR was.
And I've heard that mod6 will nerf you again... That's crazy... You even seams less numerous in PvE now.
I hope that your class will get the improvement it is deserving, it's an interesting class.
My only advice would be to keep hope. That's what I've been doing when my class was rejected from PvE and obliged to spen it's life hiding in the shadows in PvP.
Ok lets gets some things stright.
You complain that you get tells that are rude to you when you play pvp, and yes its a complaint.
You want people to accept that you like to play Tr and your argument is that you played it before it was OP(tr always been OP when it comes to survivabilty which is a huge part of this kind of domination pvp we have in nw).
Now what am saying is that playing Tr in todays OP mode in pvp where you actually are in a godmode state it will get you rude tells for the simple fact that people dont like the unjust balance Tr has in pvp.
This thread was not created as a discussion to balance the Tr in pvp it was created to tell others to gracefully accept being farmed by Trs and be nice about it.
Now that is what I call arrogance. You like playing rogue and you claim you play it in every game but thats rather beside the point.
I like to play fighter but I still shelfed my Gwf when bleed+roar was to much because it was downright abusive toward other players running them down like a train with no chanse for them to retaliate.
It comes down to a shoise when something is way out of balance, either you ignore the fact that playing it makes it less *fun for others so you can enjoy being OP or you use it in pve and find something more balanced in pvp.
You accuse me for crying and insulting which am not doing but trust me playing Tr in todays pvp and ask others to gracefully accept being overun and killed at your lesure is down right insulting to most....
As you say its a game and everything can be nice and dandy with people cheering on the winners admitting defeat gracefully in a perfect world where everthing is balanced and the most skilled players win.
Reality check says otherwise and if you have trubble with people giving you rude tells because you play the most FoTM class seen in any games pvp maybe you should rethink playing such a redicules OP class.
Now if you want to start how to balance Tr in pvp so you dont get those tells feel free but as long as you say you like to play Tr as it is and you resent getting rude tells from people you should prolly not hold your breath for it...
PS am not saying that your anything but the sweetest teddybear person in RL this is just me telling you that imho your asking for to much....
You know.
I don't mind them playing TR - like, I play SW now when it's <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, and will play it even if in Mod 7 they somehow manage to make us OP (yeah, VAE, dream on). That said, while most people flinging insults are morons, complaining and acting all indignant about how they dare is....
Basically kinda like a millionary talking about what a sad life he leads because when he takes a ride to the mall in his Bentley, people sneer at him and he has to worry about his paint getting scratched and wheels stabbed. He even has to pay a guard, my word!
Like, suck it up and play, you can probably whoop everyone's *** anyway because TR OP and you been playing it since the beginning so you likely know your ****.
They can complain when they'll get kicked from PvP queues for picking TR.
*sigh*, yes. I'm dreading the coming of the new mod - the only saving grace is that I did the unthinkable and insane and specced for Damnation so the mod will at least be black-gray area in terms of a potential slight improvement, instead of the utter depressing blackness of fail my brothers and sisters playing Fury and Temptation spec face.
and if leaderboard were not refreshed and common for 50-59 and other categories, then on first 20-25 pages (cause i didn't played that character for some time, i've been on page 14) you can find my DC, Holy Diver. 55lvl pvp equip, rank 5 ench, NO weapon enchant + dragonbone icon+scepter. nothing special. and i did met TR. esp 50-59, where they already had that "permadaze" and SoD. i said that again - out of those 70+ TR only 3-5 were good and only WK gave me real trouble, not MI.
I specially mentioned other pvp issues except TR, but you, Marnival, just waved at them.
so -
nor cursed matchmaking where PuG 7-10gs team meet 20+gs premade
nor guys unequipping everything - queue - equip again - and 20+gs slaughter another 7-10gs ppl
nor relogers, where you can't kill guy, where system write +kill to them and no match played - o'course they'd be in TOP
nor 3000+gs guys in 10-19lvl pvp, where common gs is about 500-800
nor only two bored-to-death maps for domination
nor premade vs PuG
nor 5 DC team and 3+ hours match
nor PvP kickers for any reason (u r TR - one of them)
none of this kills PvP like TRs, judging by your words. Are we playing the same game?
And if you'd be so kind as to see page 1 again - then you'll see that almost every TR begin with - we *are* OP in PvP. we are *not* deny the fact. It's the matter of PvE and non-PVP chat where every 2nd guy s**ts on us only because we are TR. even PvP. i can write myself smth like - "DC is a bad person" or "FF shall be banned 4ever" - BUT. I never allow myself go personnal and said smth about not game-character, but person behind it.
And the first post was about that TR are always get special treatment.
Let's be honest. mod4 and permastealth. we were OP then? stealth IS defensive mechanic. and if you had to make it perma - you're really in deep ****. also, to achieve one (stealth, not...:D) you have to trade STR or smth else important to INT AND gain much recovery. so - forever defensive badly-damaging DAMAGE DEALER. that's the 4ever OP TRs.
And again. Does any TR come to some other class forum and began **** like - now i tell ya how you must play.
the whole mod5 almost every other class (DC in minority, though) allow themself to do so. It is special treatment.
Did i finally hear something 1) 2) 3) about some feats or powers? no. only - TR UP, turn them DOWN.
I played DC many times and from DC's point of view, do you know which class i hate most? not in PvP, in PvE dungeons (and cause i run through almost 50+ of them i have some exp to judge).
GWF. Really. I'm totally sick of those brutal muscle tall guys with BIG oars running in a crowd of mobs, waving the oar for 10-15 sec and running in just the opposite side with 5-7% HP left. oh, especially if screaming - HEEEEEAAAALLLLL!!!11
especially if dies, flashing that "shift+1" and then saying - DC ****.
seriously. and when GWF tells that it's me who plays easy class...c'mon i just laughing. out of 100 GWF only 7-8 not playing that brave brutal tactic - run forward -tab - press left mouse button several times - press Q,E,R - run away.
oh, and in dungeons... i do know that your class mechanic requires some damage taken. But honestly... every time i see gwf in party i really wonder if every guy with oar desires title "living dead".
Rest is just a mumble from which am not sure what you want to say, only thing that matters is that Tr is heavely overrepresentated for the sole reason its alot easer to play and requires alot less gear to be good.
This thread was not about other issues hence I dident comment on them. Those issues was there before module 5 and the impact is no less and no more then before. It dont change the fact that tons of players just either quite or just dont pvp any more because of the situation with Trs. Having 4-5 Trs in every match and being able to beat players with 7kgs higher made pvp to boring for most.
There are tons with threads where Tr lecture people to l2p and call them cry babys etc for asking for balance. And when it comes to insulting others in pvp or being extremely rude toward other players Trs playerbase has its own reputation tbh.
About 1.2.3 again this thread is not about that.
First this is module 5 and its a thread about people being rude towards a special Tr in pvp.
And yes when it came to node contesting Tr was OP even in module 4.
Again something totally beside the subject being adressed in this thread and that your are sick of how a class preform in pve dungeons is hardly a matter for others as its easy to do that with friends only on those terms you like to play....
Tbh your post here is altogether a sidestep for some obscure reason that is very hard to figure out due to incoherently writing..
really? show me that "tons" please, i've got bad memory. i feel like on every such thread non-TR community replies with 50 threads like - "nerf them" and - "PvP balance. 1) Let's nerf TR first..."
4-5 TR every match? i go pvp 10-59 almost every day and see more than 4 TR only every...7-9th match, actually.
4-5 characters of EVERY class makes PvP a nightmare. especially CW, DC and GF
and what i tried to say - not just TR in 50+ first leaderboard pages, man, look closer. There's even GWF in that pages.
So. Again, we ignore another side of a coin, listen only what we want to hear.
And if make a summary of your posts - TR is bad because he is a TR. at least it will be honest.
and then i should ask you as well - why did Cain kill Abel?:rolleyes:
The summary is that your posting are all beside the issue on this thread namely why do Tr in pvp get insulting tells.
And we are talking about lvl 60 pvp not your imaginary lvl 10-59 pvp.
If you want to discuss other issues at hand I suggest you open your own threads about that mkay.