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pufy2010
Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 301 Arc User
Hi guy's, Alizea here.
Today we gona talk about Leader Board in pvp (and a vote option to)
The Point is to see how much you guys like this feature and if you wish to be removed or not.
From my Point of view :
Leaderboarding have a a bad psychological impact over players.
It can be cheated as well to gain high rank ( sadly many abuze that).
The Numbers are not real and do not show your real pvp skills (either u face very low gs and dominate them..and so on).
It's Already a Pain to lose vs unbalanced matching
To see now that others witness ur failure hurts even more and adds more pain.
As i sayd PVP numbers are irrevelant due unbalance/exploiting/Unmatched gs.
Just Say If you want That leaderboard to be removed ( and state ur reason to)
I say YES for Removal and i stated my reasons as well.
And yes all my chars are 22 000gs + and i win often..thats not the point.
Yes for Leaderboard Removal.
Today we gona talk about Leader Board in pvp (and a vote option to)
The Point is to see how much you guys like this feature and if you wish to be removed or not.
From my Point of view :
Leaderboarding have a a bad psychological impact over players.
It can be cheated as well to gain high rank ( sadly many abuze that).
The Numbers are not real and do not show your real pvp skills (either u face very low gs and dominate them..and so on).
It's Already a Pain to lose vs unbalanced matching
To see now that others witness ur failure hurts even more and adds more pain.
As i sayd PVP numbers are irrevelant due unbalance/exploiting/Unmatched gs.
Just Say If you want That leaderboard to be removed ( and state ur reason to)
I say YES for Removal and i stated my reasons as well.
And yes all my chars are 22 000gs + and i win often..thats not the point.
Yes for Leaderboard Removal.
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There will always be "PuG stomping" though. It was there when there was not a leaderboard. People want to feel good about themselves.
Give us some 5v5, 3v3, 2v2 and make it team rating. Peronal rating in a team oriented game dosent work. They should remove the leaderboard for domination, and give us leaderboard for arenas (that we still dont have).
we have this issue since beta.
Im beeing realistic and asking what can be done :
Removal of Leader board.
And i could not care less about leader board ,but it's not actualy fair + demoralize new players.
And im not the type of person that like's to brag and show off ,and show a fake rank by cheating my way up in pvp ranks.
It's Fake and demoralizing.
I think it should be replaced by a set of rankings for win%, K/D ratio, and premade party %.
For example:
_________________Win%_____________________K/D_______________________% of battles in premade
Doodman Killbeard:...88%..................................12.7.....................................99%...........................:
Then have a secondary ranking or ELO based on this system.
Have pre-made% negatively impact your rankings so that a person with 10-1 K/D and 90% win percentage that only ran premades would have a lower ranking than someone who has a 7-1 K/D and 70% wins with 0% premades.
Then make it so any match you quit, or kick people so you can quit without leaver's penalty will go on your record as a zero kill premade loss.
I'd rather not have them waste any resources in this. Voted no just based on that principle.
Also I would be in for INDIVIDUAL ELO score as opposed to an actual "leaderboard"
meaning remove the leaderboard and create a PVP tab that just shows your personal ELO.
So you can compare your e-peen to others if you want, but there isnt a grand "leaderboard" that matters.
Will people still exploit it? Probably
Will less people care? Probably
I prefer people exploiting their e-peen on some meaningless ranking system than diamonds or primary stats.
Any leaderboard that can be manipulated by kicking team members to avoid a loss is severely tainted. It means absolutely nothing. To me, it only makes those on top of the board look bad if I have to look at it.
The last few games I played (with the usual suspects) they didn't even play, they just stood around. Yeah, supposedly "top" players not even playing.
The leaderboard is a hoax that is ruining PvP for people who want to actually play
So they'll either:
1) kick their team-mates in a losing match, so he/she can leave the match with no penalty
2) kick their team-mates in a winning match, so his/her ELO rating will remain the highest by winning a 1v5 match (pretty obviously who it is)
3) only ever enter a match with a premade troll team
4) if they're in a losing match, they just give up really early to prevent having more deaths that can affect their ELO rating
5) exploit the leaderboard so their losing match doesn't count
I can see at least 4 out of 5 of this problems can be eliminated by getting rid of the leaderboard, so I vote Yes.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
Any official link for this?! Cause i see no reason for this to be a part of elo...
I vote NO:
- Leaderboard is a nice addition! It needs improvements like separate queues, ability to vote kick and so on.
- From my experience when you get higher you face stronger and stronger opponents so ranking works for the most part and usually people from top 5 are rly good players.
- If someone abuses the system there is a report function, but if the guy pays as much as all of you together it rly doesnt matter what he does, also being no.1 in ladder has no impact on the game whatsoever...
My reasons:
- Premade vs PUG,
- AD farmers,
- campfire warmers,
- if you are kicked, you get penalty, even if you are innocent, this applies to the many disconnections too,
- GS brackets don't exist,
- the requirements for classes aren't tailored to the respective class,
- cheaters, exploiters, bots,
- odd game mechanics, which are confidential, like if you win, you still can fall down the rankings or if you play only a few matches and win a few, you are ranked higher, than a player, who plays all day,
- the players behavior itself is making a leader board useless, like many just cap, don't fight, many only take the last shot and leave the fight and of course the deaths to others, many don't go into battle, they let others do the dirty work for them...
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Unless you're a TR, it makes little sense to go into battle. Mod5 pvp for GF/SW/CW/HR/gwf/DC is about riding, not fighting. But the blame is not on the leaderboard, removing it won't improve the balance.
Tired of Dailies/Tyranny of Dailies/Timers of Doom/Tricked Or Duped/Tremendously Obnoxious Dailies/Try Otherwise, Devs
The only thing gained is a boost to ones ego.
So removing it is totally pointless.
If however some sort of reward system was implemented and it was used in its current state then there would be cause to have it removed.
Even if you fix the leaderboard so people can't exploit it. The introduction of it pretty much ruined the pvp community, it gets smaller everyday.
Since it's introduction I have watched people who used to group with anyone and any team comp, people that also taught and mentored new comers, change to people who only solo que or duo que. There is no investment in future players. There are to my estimation 50 hardcore pvpers who insult and argue about their epeen size all day, and would do anything to get on page 1, including exploiting. And then there is a small group that loves pvp and have pvp builds, and then you have all the people who do it just for dailies, which are the majority. There used to be a ton more hardcore pvpers, with less insults because the group wasn't so tiny and insular.
I have watched people that used to do arranged pre mades all the time, refuse...in case they lose, OR or stuck in a position of defending a node where they won't get a lot of kills or caps, and maybe even suffer more deaths, even if it allows their team to win. I have seen people in the middle of a Premade refuse to go to their node because they feel they are dying too much, and watch their team go from a win to a loss because of it.
I have watched 20K GS people not want to que without "The perfect Comp" sometimes waiting 30 mins, and then get into matches where the other team quits in a minute over and over...it is no fun. I personally have gone back to taking any comp and any GS, or jsut solo quing. And yes my any comp any GS team resulted in a 90 min match last night, but some of that was due to game mechanics that are being fixed, and it was the most fun I have had pvping with a full team in months.
This whole game was played different before the leaderboard. As much as I thought it would be cool because then the 3 guilds who care about who is best, would know, I now admit that I was wrong, I think it has been detrimental. All anyone has to do is join pmvspm and listen to how the reamaining people who care about pvp talk to each other.
And lastly, the best guild is in the minds eye. Is the best guild one that consistently wins but no one helps each other? Or is it one that wins most of the time, has a lot of fun, and helps each other improve.
Oh wait, we are talking about PVP, people only care about themselves, not guilds.
+1
As long as people have an ego and we do, we are human beings, the leader board is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. I never use those things in table top DnD as a GM, cause the only thing you gain is trouble and bad feelings.
Leader board made people too defensive, how many times have i seen players flee and letting their team down, fearing for their virtual lives, while the other or others have to keep doing suicide to bring the team to winning line and at the end all you see in ranking is the end result, you don't see, how much or how less a player has done to achieve victory or loss.
Leader board should only be introduced, if Devs make all the unfair things disappear from current PVP ranking and of course then also it should be reset every while to let new players catch up, but all together i think it does more harm, than good.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Foundry PvP maps (offering no rewards at all), a lobby for doing premades, more types of PvP like capture the flag/deathmatch etc., those kinds of things would improve the community. The leaderboard has not contributed in a positive way in my opinion.
Jeffrina Jones, GWF
Jeffrodo, CW
Jeffrogue, Rog
Jelfro, GF
Jeffrogolas Do'Urden, HR
Jeffrodo Jaggins, SW
1) Solo-Ranked Q
2) Premade-Ranked Q
3) Unranked Q
The leaderboard is seperated into TWO catagories:
1) Solo - this matches you against ONLY your own class.
2) Premade - this matches you against EVERYONE.
To get your solo elo up, solo Q for a ranked game and win. NO teammates are allowed to que.
To get your premade elo up, get a group of 5 and Q. NO solo que or teams <5 are allowed to que.
If you want to que with 2-4 players or even a team of 5 or by yourself and have it NOT count towards the leaderboards, you can unranked Q.
The issue with the leaderboards is that every module certain classes are at a dis-advantage. Ontop of that, premades can PUG stomp.
So the solutions:
1) Solo-Ranked Q - cant premade, always PUG, leaderboards ONLY ranks you against your own class. It determines your individual effectiveness at YOUR class.
2) Premade-Ranked Q - ONLY premade vs premade. matches your true premade ability in a team setting. Cant PUG stomp.
3) Unranked Q - FFA. NO leaderboards.
#1 and #3 I would imagine would have very short que times. #2 could be longer que times and for this I would recommend not even using an ELO matchmaking system. Just any 5 man team that Ques can go against anyother 5 man team.
Problems solved.
Leaderboards do give incentive to pvp.
Theren Moonshadow.
1) people should have a way to teach to their guildies without thinking to their ranking.
2) it has to be fixed, no more kicking, no more losing positions for winning.