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warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
new sets looks very underpowerd 3% improved armp form gwf set is to little and base stats of set it self looks weaker then black ice sets
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  • lazaroth666lazaroth666 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Most players already have capped ArPen for PvE so this set doesn't provide any kind of help to the group, if it's going to be "3% to something" at least it should be 3% more power or something even better.
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  • crixus8000crixus8000 Member Posts: 1,205 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2014
    Where are these sets ? I want to see them but don't know where to look....
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  • klangeddinklangeddin Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 882 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Underpowered is an understatement. They're trash.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    no one will use the new sets but this is not something you didnt expect so move on
  • janr92janr92 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Tr set don't have power and crit...So yes, they are trash.
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  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Good. People will still buy t2 armors from AH then.

    What's the bonus for SW by the way?
  • midnightfang93midnightfang93 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    vasdamas wrote: »
    Good. People will still buy t2 armors from AH then.

    What's the bonus for SW by the way?

    Probably lifesteal?
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Probably lifesteal?

    lol

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  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    warpet wrote: »
    new sets looks very underpowerd 3% improved armp form gwf set is to little and base stats of set it self looks weaker then black ice sets

    Yepp its underpowered .
    Mybe if they change it to 5% more dmg or 10 % more power. It will be viable and good gear.
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  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    crixus8000 wrote: »
    Where are these sets ? I want to see them but don't know where to look....

    GF have a good set 5% more DMR + the set main stat is power.
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  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    vasdamas wrote: »
    Good. People will still buy t2 armors from AH then.

    What's the bonus for SW by the way?

    3 % more ls for pt.
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  • crazymikeecrazymikee Member Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I feel like the new gear sets there adding in every module is worse and worse then the original base t2 sets...
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  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    and how this can compete with high wiz and high prophet sets? and dont forget this sets have useless and low base stats atm
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Agreed.

    The set bonuses are not very appealing - especially for the stats (I should say LACK OF) that they have. Honestly they should give this set a 2 pc bonus of an extra "enchant slot" so players can slot a radiant for more HP for instance etc etc...

    The 4 piece bonus seems pretty lazy to just have it be 5% more X...
  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I add one more thing. There is a new super owerload enchat, lazar can give you guys more detail i am not home can't login rigth now to see it later i will add all new sets for this thread.
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  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Yeah but have you seen some of the insane marks that can be added to the overload slots? look at the crazy OP Shimmering metalic mark in this thread and it's effects xD - http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?712391-New-Shimmering-Marks it's probably going to be nerfed but still it's like you can tailor your armor set effects .
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  • myvain7myvain7 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 77
    edited July 2014
    We exchange good gears (T2) against an overload slot for an enchantment that has 25% chance to compensate the missing stats for 20 sec once every 60 sec...
    There is not even tenacity.
    Disappointing :/
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  • shavaruinshavaruin Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    myvain7 wrote: »
    We exchange good gears (T2) against an overload slot for an enchantment that has 25% chance to compensate the missing stats for 20 sec once every 60 sec...
    There is not even tenacity.
    Disappointing :/

    "compensate"?
    It has more than double the effect of a perfect armor enchantment. I would hardly call that "compensate".
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    You can also slot two different overload enchantments and these new marks can be slotted into black ice sets.
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    as far as i know overload enchants dont last 20 seconds.
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    iambecks1 wrote: »
    Yeah but have you seen some of the insane marks that can be added to the overload slots? look at the crazy OP Shimmering metalic mark in this thread and it's effects xD - http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?712391-New-Shimmering-Marks it's probably going to be nerfed but still it's like you can tailor your armor set effects .

    but bi sets have a lot higher bases and it can be improved with bi refine if anyone will use this enchants then they will use them on bi sets for sure
  • hfgtfsdfshfgtfsdfs Member Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited August 2014
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  • grogthemagnifgrogthemagnif Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,651 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Could be you're not factoring in the 3rd enchantment overload slot.
    warpet wrote: »
    new sets looks very underpowerd 3% improved armp form gwf set is to little and base stats of set it self looks weaker then black ice sets
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Could be you're not factoring in the 3rd enchantment overload slot.

    i cant see how this can make it better 3% arp for team is still useless 2 part bonus is very bad and gear it self dont have to good stats so how can all this problems be fixed with once in a min enchant?
  • mircalla83mircalla83 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 36
    edited August 2014
    The issue with GWF is that their current 'Best in Slot' Set is pretty much the strongest selfbuff in the game. The only thing that would cause a GWF to drop it would most likely be an even stronger Damageboost, which I don't really see happening.

    For the GF however, the Draconic Set seems nice. Not completely overloading on Defense, some actual ARMOR PEN on it.....and a Group Buff that actually seems useful.
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mircalla83 wrote: »
    The issue with GWF is that their current 'Best in Slot' Set is pretty much the strongest selfbuff in the game. The only thing that would cause a GWF to drop it would most likely be an even stronger Damageboost, which I don't really see happening.

    For the GF however, the Draconic Set seems nice. Not completely overloading on Defense, some actual ARMOR PEN on it.....and a Group Buff that actually seems useful.

    this set is bad for everyone for example how can this sets compete as team buffing with high wiz and high prophet?idk any dc or cw who will take this new sets for party buffing

    to fix this sets they need to replace useles +150 as 2 part bonus with 450 power and make 4 part bonus at least 15%+something for team like resist from gf,power from dc, deflection from gwf,movment speed from hr,crtic chance from tr,def reduction from warlock and controll bonus from cw this would make this sets more worth of takeing and they still could not compete with high wiz or prophet sets
  • mircalla83mircalla83 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 36
    edited August 2014
    warpet wrote: »
    this set is bad for everyone for example how can this sets compete as team buffing with high wiz and high prophet?idk any dc or cw who will take this new sets for party buffing

    to fix this sets they need to replace useles +150 as 2 part bonus with 450 power and make 4 part bonus at least 15%+something for team like resist from gf,power from dc, deflection from gwf,movment speed from hr,crtic chance from tr,def reduction from warlock and controll bonus from cw this would make this sets more worth of takeing and they still could not compete with high wiz or prophet sets

    You can pretty much assume that, when the Draconic Sets are not used 'enough', that there will be an adjustment, further down the line. And we all know how that will end up. Hint: HP/HV/AoW/RG getting the chop to 'collection gear'.
    Also, I agree on the horrible 2/4 bonus. However, I strongly disagree that EVERY Set needs a +450 Power bonus there. Rather, they need a +450 Bonus to a USEFUL Stat that otherwise isn't covered by the Set itself.
    Example, GF, last I checked, no crit on it. Put +450 Crit in. TR? No Crit on it, so put 450 Crit on it. DC? No Lifesteal, so +450 LS. (Naa, joking on that one. But technically, putting Armor Pen on it would help DCs a big chunk with soloing and it would also increase return on a certain Heroic Feat, which creates an AoE Heal around the enemy that was critically hit by a DC). CW Set is lacking Recovery, so slap +450 Recovery on it, and so on.

    If we would get '+15%' Auras on gear, it would have to be made sure that you can only benefit from ONE instance of each Aura. And in some cases, if the Aura is 'additive', this would be MORE than overpowering. An Aura that gives a flat +15% Armor Penetration/Resistance Ignored? Oh boy......you would have people ditch the ArP gear and enchants faster than you you say 'Yolo', at least for PvE.
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mircalla83 wrote: »
    You can pretty much assume that, when the Draconic Sets are not used 'enough', that there will be an adjustment, further down the line. And we all know how that will end up. Hint: HP/HV/AoW/RG getting the chop to 'collection gear'.
    Also, I agree on the horrible 2/4 bonus. However, I strongly disagree that EVERY Set needs a +450 Power bonus there. Rather, they need a +450 Bonus to a USEFUL Stat that otherwise isn't covered by the Set itself.
    Example, GF, last I checked, no crit on it. Put +450 Crit in. TR? No Crit on it, so put 450 Crit on it. DC? No Lifesteal, so +450 LS. (Naa, joking on that one. But technically, putting Armor Pen on it would help DCs a big chunk with soloing and it would also increase return on a certain Heroic Feat, which creates an AoE Heal around the enemy that was critically hit by a DC). CW Set is lacking Recovery, so slap +450 Recovery on it, and so on.

    If we would get '+15%' Auras on gear, it would have to be made sure that you can only benefit from ONE instance of each Aura. And in some cases, if the Aura is 'additive', this would be MORE than overpowering. An Aura that gives a flat +15% Armor Penetration/Resistance Ignored? Oh boy......you would have people ditch the ArP gear and enchants faster than you you say 'Yolo', at least for PvE.

    i dont think 15% buffing would be op atm high prophet and wiz buff up a lot more as for stacking only 1 of the same kind should work
    as for them doing anything to balance them later this wont happen every class use only 1 set since cb and they done nothing to change it
  • mircalla83mircalla83 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 36
    edited August 2014
    warpet wrote: »
    i dont think 15% buffing would be op atm high prophet and wiz buff up a lot more as for stacking only 1 of the same kind should work
    as for them doing anything to balance them later this wont happen every class use only 1 set since cb and they done nothing to change it

    The thing with HP/HV is that they aren't exactly the best examples of a 'balanced' Bonus, just like the HR Set Royal Guard (a well placed Rain of Arrows can in theory proc that 4/4 bonus 4-5 times in one second. Had that happen often enough), or the completely out of bounds AoW Bonus (annoying to get it going, since it requires the use of 3 Encounters, but after that, using Roar or Not So Fast, ridiculously easy to maintain in a longer fight). So I completely have to disagree that those are the measurement where any future Set is to be measured against.
    Lets say, the TR Draconic 4/4, giving 10% more Combat Advantage Damage. This is a good bonus, at least as long as it is ADDITIVE, not multiplicative. It rewards Teamwork and positioning - or bringing a HR who has Aspect of the Pack slotted and isn't ditching increasing his teams' Damage Output by increasing only his own (upcoming 'Stillness of the Forest' Feat for Archery, or, in case of a Combat or Trapper Stormwarden, Bladestorm/Twinblade Storm Class Feature).
    Now, for a more direct 'In your Face' Bonus for the GWF, that Aura could give 5% more Damage at all time - or 10% more teamwide Crit Severity.

    Edit:
    On the Set changes - remember that the GF also had 2 Sets used since Beta that got redone. So there IS Precedence.
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mircalla83 wrote: »
    The thing with HP/HV is that they aren't exactly the best examples of a 'balanced' Bonus, just like the HR Set Royal Guard (a well placed Rain of Arrows can in theory proc that 4/4 bonus 4-5 times in one second. Had that happen often enough), or the completely out of bounds AoW Bonus (annoying to get it going, since it requires the use of 3 Encounters, but after that, using Roar or Not So Fast, ridiculously easy to maintain in a longer fight). So I completely have to disagree that those are the measurement where any future Set is to be measured against.
    Lets say, the TR Draconic 4/4, giving 10% more Combat Advantage Damage. This is a good bonus, at least as long as it is ADDITIVE, not multiplicative. It rewards Teamwork and positioning - or bringing a HR who has Aspect of the Pack slotted and isn't ditching increasing his teams' Damage Output by increasing only his own (upcoming 'Stillness of the Forest' Feat for Archery, or, in case of a Combat or Trapper Stormwarden, Bladestorm/Twinblade Storm Class Feature).
    Now, for a more direct 'In your Face' Bonus for the GWF, that Aura could give 5% more Damage at all time - or 10% more teamwide Crit Severity.

    i dont want sets to be op but if they are made for buffing then they should buff atleast half as good as 2 best buffing sets in game and 15% bonus to something would alow them to do this at least i cant see someone taking in group ppl for haveing this sets atm since buffs they provide are way to weak to even notice them
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