Crazy Mike's CW PvP Guide [Mod 3]

crazymikee · June 2014

CRAZY MIKE's Control Wizard PvP Guide

Builds
Tactics
Tips

Overview

Welcome! This will be my first guide that I've made about this game (I think) and it will most likely be the last, but who knows. I will be going over a number of different approaches you can take as a CW in player versus player combat, in domination matches and the new open world zone. Thank you for choosing my guide over the *nonexistent* others.

Race
Your Race is not the BIGGEST factor in your toon, but the passive bonuses from the different races all have their significant advantages. *pick your poison* My current CW is a Dwarf just for the 20% cc resist since CW's have naturaly low deflect so the 3% deflect from halfling wouldn't be at its full potential unless I stack over 1.5k deflect

Dwarf:
20% CC resistance

Halfling
10% CC resistance
3% Deflection Severity

Teifling
5% bonus damage below half hp (enemies)

High Elf
10% CC resistance
2% AP gain

Ability Roll

Your ability roll is one of your most basic customization, and probably one of the most important.
There are a number of different possibilities for your ability roll, a complete list can be found HERE.

Your going to have to decide if you want more base survivability, or more base damage.
My current CW's ability roll has the highest CON (hitpoints) a CW can get, 20.
http://gyazo.com/f7be030e65f34db0f48e46b0bb00dbe7

An ability roll like this one definatly doesn't have as much DPS in mind as others with much lower base CON, but this ability roll also will get a much higher base hitpoint boost then the other DPS rolls. Making it easier to stack your hitpoints higher and increasing your survivability that much more.
(A living CW out-DPS a dead CW any day)

http://gyazo.com/7f298fb41322445ff3fec58a65505725
My base hitpoints with 20 CON is *roughly* 26k. Which is much higher then a CW with, lets say 12 CON. Another plus with this type of ability roll is that because your hitpoints start out much higher, you can put more offensive gear on your character without a large decrease in your survivability, making up for some of the less inteligence bonus you will have.

crazymikee · June 2014

Feats & Powers

Your feats are probably the second most important part of your character, but you already know that xD
Your powers are equally as important because only a select few are even viable for PvP.
I'll just get right to it.

MY current feats & powers:
http://nwcalc.com/cw?b=p9b:1na0hs:16f7ws,1ei3cki:1u0000:1z055v:100000&h=0&p=ssm

With your feats, the best path that benefits me personally the most is Thaumaturge, most of the spell bonuses it gives are the spells that I normally use. (CoI, Shard, IR) My Feats are designed for my own play style so don't hesitate to switch out anything that doesn't suit you for something more beneficial to your own play style.

crazymikee · June 2014

Setup for the Situation

Your encounter setup is defiantly the 3rd most important thing, behind everything else I put above :P

Know your weakness
-Shard of Endless Avalanche bugs out if your hit with any type of CC effect. (besides prones)
-Ice Rays DO NOT stop GWF from threatening rush
-DoT's can trigger an HR's 4 set PvP gear bonus (hitpoint regen)
-Another CW can be almost as hard as a GWF to fight
-Force Choke can be negated to almost .2 seconds if deflected (HR/TR/GWF)
-Repel bugs out a majority of the time (HR/TR/GWF/CW)
-DoTs activate cockatrice 3 second root (OPVP only)

That being said... All of the above abilities can ALSO be very useful versus said opponents. But you have to either know exactly what your doing when using them or just have blind luck. (like me 90% of the time hehe)
A few ability setups that I use for different situations prove to be fairly effective:

Domination:

2 CW / 2 HR
TAB: CoI (the amount of chill stacks you get are very useful for bonus damage (feat needed) aswell as the extra CC at 7 stacks (6 stacks +1 more)
Q: Chill
E: RoE
R: Choke

2 GWF / 2 GF
TAB: RoE / Shard (2x RoE can be very lethal versus high DR if you have teammates with you / your daily charged, shard is very good aswell because prones dont glitch the shard aswell as being able to keep them off you for a decent amount of time)
Q: Chill
E: CoI / RoE
R: Choke

2 TR
TAB: Ice Rays
Q: Chill / RoE (chill glitches out a lot if you cast it and a rogue stealths before it hits them)
E: CoI
R: Choke / Steal Time (steal time is surprisingly effective versus TR's, it gives you a good idea of their position)

Pre-Tenacity Super Nuking in OPVP

Currently it's possible to hit very close to if not higher then pre-tenacity Ice knife (20k+) in open world pvp, heres how.

TAB: 2x RoE
Q: CoI
Eye of the storm proc
Combat advantage (helps alot)
5k+ Power for straight damage bonus
High Vizer set if you already have one

=profit (It's on another CW but I've had similar effects on tanky toons aswell (DC/GF/GWF)
http://gyazo.com/aca98c083cb8994f8bdc293482011451
(non crit)
http://gyazo.com/9517adbf380fa25ab4255dc39e6c953b

crazymikee · June 2014

Gear Sets

Your gear setup defines how your going to play, either the glass cannon approach or the super hitpoint tank. You will need to have a good setup to compete with the other high tier players in the game. there are several advantages to the different sets out there. I'll put my current setup as well as other common setups people use.

My Current Gear Setup: (Better for OPVP/Companions)
Higher offensive
http://gyazo.com/e61feb73846fecd3474b844a80e02774
higher defensive (hp)
http://gyazo.com/2825633371dc68624312fd704648c0c3

Grim / Profound Thaumaturge: (Better for DOM)
http://gyazo.com/b5a39ddeb8b865580030d6b3c77d28df

crazymikee · June 2014

Domination & Open World

much reserve

jayrad8 · June 2014

*reserved*

#puglife

lisaxxii · June 2014

*reserved for future trolling*

Quick question, what's your CWs in game name and guild so we can tell if you are legit or just another pug.

valencay · June 2014

lisaxxii wrote: »

*reserved for future trolling*

Quick question, what's your CWs in game name and guild so we can tell if you are legit or just another pug.

what does this even mean?

rustlord · June 2014

I thunk his name is Twerk Team..could be wrong.

crazymikee · June 2014

valencay wrote: »

what does this even mean?

it means he wants to be a d**k

Twerk Team is my ingame name. 17k+ CW pure pvp build.

crazymikee · June 2014

valencay wrote: »

what does this even mean?

it means he wants to be a d**k

Twerk Team is my ingame name. 17k+ CW pure pvp build.

Ill finish making this later today when i get out of work

bielka72 · June 2014

Interesting build Mike, really looking forward to the rest of it!

In regard to your feats, why do you have 0/5 in snap freeze, and 2/3 in blighting power? For example in pvp, it's highly likely that you will be the only one applying chill onto a target either through rays, CS, COI, ray of frost, so by not taking snap freeze you are missing out on 15% damage. Surely if you had both snap freeze and blighting power you would have the double advantage of both damage from before chill and after chill.

lisaxxii · June 2014

crazymikee wrote: »

it means he wants to be a d**k

Twerk Team is my ingame name. 17k+ CW pure pvp build.

Ill finish making this later today when i get out of work

Yes yes, I was trying to be a bit of a d**k

But its a reasonable question, if people are going to take advice from someone about builds/play-styles/tactics I don't think its out of line to ask for some credentials.

There are a whole bunch of people on these forums offering advice that have no business doing so. Not saying this applies to you Mike, but I don't know that it doesn't.

Now that I have your ingame name I can look you up on gateway and see that you are running mostly rank 9's but have not sprung for perfects which tells me you are fairly serious about the game, but you are not a top tier PvPer. Thats important information.

I can also look you up on the leader boards, no the leader boards don't mean much, but I can at least see how many games you have under your belt and that matters as well.

I can also ask around, see if any of the regular PvPers have played against you, or members of your Guild. Their opinions and experiences would also help me decide if I want to take your advice.

None of those things will tell me definitively what kind of PvPer you are, but collectively they can certainly paint a decent general picture.

Now from here you can decide that you don't care if I think you are a good PvPer/Theorycrafter or not. Thats fair and completely up to you. But you wrote a guide and I'm assuming you want people to get use out of it so justifying and backing up your theories with performance is a very good way to get traffic.

Just my 2 AD, as I think the RPers say

Roar.

valencay · June 2014

But belonging to a top PVP guild doesn't always mean you use a good build or you are a very skilled palyer, or maybe it's better to say that if you are not in a pvp guild that doesn't mean you don't know what you are talking about. what I wanto to say is that it is useful to know a palyer background but not essential

rustlord · June 2014

Usually when somebody writes a build guide, credits and credentials go before or after the post. Seeing as it's just a few placeholder posts it's a bit too early to critique. On the other hand, these many replies to a "placeholder" I-will-write-my-build-here-later thread says a lot about how excited we all are in seeing a legit PvP guide for the CW. It's been a long time coming!

crazymikee · June 2014

lisaxxii wrote: »

Yes yes, I was trying to be a bit of a d**k

But its a reasonable question, if people are going to take advice from someone about builds/play-styles/tactics I don't think its out of line to ask for some credentials.

There are a whole bunch of people on these forums offering advice that have no business doing so. Not saying this applies to you Mike, but I don't know that it doesn't.

Now that I have your ingame name I can look you up on gateway and see that you are running mostly rank 9's but have not sprung for perfects which tells me you are fairly serious about the game, but you are not a top tier PvPer. Thats important information.

I can also look you up on the leader boards, no the leader boards don't mean much, but I can at least see how many games you have under your belt and that matters as well.

I can also ask around, see if any of the regular PvPers have played against you, or members of your Guild. Their opinions and experiences would also help me decide if I want to take your advice.

None of those things will tell me definitively what kind of PvPer you are, but collectively they can certainly paint a decent general picture.

Now from here you can decide that you don't care if I think you are a good PvPer/Theorycrafter or not. Thats fair and completely up to you. But you wrote a guide and I'm assuming you want people to get use out of it so justifying and backing up your theories with performance is a very good way to get traffic.

Just my 2 AD, as I think the RPers say

Roar.

not offense but what are you even talking about

lisaxxii · June 2014

valencay wrote: »

But belonging to a top PVP guild doesn't always mean you use a good build or you are a very skilled palyer, or maybe it's better to say that if you are not in a pvp guild that doesn't mean you don't know what you are talking about. what I wanto to say is that it is useful to know a palyer background but not essential

I feel like thats almost exactly what I said. If you didn't get that from my post then "yeah what you just said"

Usually when somebody writes a build guide, credits and credentials go before or after the post. Seeing as it's just a few placeholder posts it's a bit too early to critique. On the other hand, these many replies to a "placeholder" I-will-write-my-build-here-later thread says a lot about how excited we all are in seeing a legit PvP guide for the CW. It's been a long time coming!

A fair point.

The only problem is that I don't have the spare irl money to throw down on this game as well as the time it takes to get it from doing high tier dungeons, I occasionally do them with friends but I don't grind / pay for free to play games. That being said, My goal is not to dictate how others should play, this guide I'm attempting to make is from the sole experience I've had playing only CW class since I started just under a year ago. In the title it says "Tactics / Tips" which mean I'm trying to point people in the right direction, I've had fairly good success with PvP since that's all I've done since a month after I got level 60 and a majority of my cash. I only really want to have fun I don't care for tryharding F2P games

Thanks for answering my question

GL with your guide!

crazymikee · June 2014

lisaxxii wrote: »

I feel like thats almost exactly what I said. If you didn't get that from my post then "yeah what you just said"

A fair point.

Thanks for answering my question GL with your guide!

/last off topic post

I couldn't find your @name above me on the leaderboards, wat page are u on

dakbur · June 2014

Dwarf has 20% CC resistance? I just looked it up on the wiki & don't see that listed... am I missing something?

I thought they just resist DoTs, & knockdown...? Is there new info? Resist knockdown & 20% CC is awesome

letojarred1 · June 2014

dakbur wrote: »

Dwarf has 20% CC resistance? I just looked it up on the wiki & don't see that listed... am I missing something?

I thought they just resist DoTs, & knockdown...? Is there new info? Resist knockdown & 20% CC is awesome

CC is a general term for any crowd control in this game and DoTs and Knockdowns are considered as CC. Halfling's CC resistance is 10% w/c I believe applies to all form of CC while dwarf's only in DoTs and Knockdowns.

lisaxxii · June 2014

crazymikee wrote: »

not offense but what are you even talking about

You can't edit your post after it's been quoted man!

Here I'll put it back for you:

The only problem is that I don't have the spare irl money to throw down on this game as well as the time it takes to get it from doing high tier dungeons, I occasionally do them with friends but I don't grind / pay for free to play games. That being said, My goal is not to dictate how others should play, this guide I'm attempting to make is from the sole experience I've had playing only CW class since I started just under a year ago. In the title it says "Tactics / Tips" which mean I'm trying to point people in the right direction, I've had fairly good success with PvP since that's all I've done since a month after I got level 60 and a majority of my cash. I only really want to have fun I don't care for tryharding F2P games

As for your question about my position on the leader boards I'm down in the 100s most likely, I play maybe 2-3 times a week and when I do it's usually just a pug or two solo.

I do however have hours of PvP gameplay against the best players in the game up on my youtube and twitch if you wanna go watch those. I don't want to brag but my mom tells me I'm pretty much the best player in NW. If you watch my vids I'm sure you will agree, my mother is usually correct when it comes to these things!

lisaxxii · June 2014

letojarred1 wrote: »

CC is a general term for any crowd control in this game and DoTs and Knockdowns are considered as CC. Halfling's CC resistance is 10% w/c I believe applies to all form of CC while dwarf's only in DoTs and Knockdowns.

Yeah, Halfling > Any other Race for PvP, by a long shot unless you are doing some kind of unique build/concept.

3% deflect is pretty huge, especially for CW. I can't see Dwarf or any other Race out performing Halfling in PvP but I don't play a CW so I could be wrong. (Im not wrong :P)

bielka72 · June 2014

Isn't Meatball a Human CW? he's pretty good.

lisaxxii · June 2014

bielka72 wrote: »

Isn't Meatball a Human CW? he's pretty good.

Yeah, I think he is. But Blacksheep does whatever Blacksheep does, and still owns so its w/e

crazymikee · June 2014

lisaxxii wrote: »

Yeah, Halfling > Any other Race for PvP, by a long shot unless you are doing some kind of unique build/concept.

3% deflect is pretty huge, especially for CW. I can't see Dwarf or any other Race out performing Halfling in PvP but I don't play a CW so I could be wrong. (Im not wrong :P)

I do better on my dwarf cw then i did on my halfling, its all about preference ^^

rustlord · June 2014

Just to point out if you haven't already done so, your thread title reads PvP Guild and not PvP Guide. If you quickly PM a mod they are kind enough to change it for you. They helped me with the same issue in one of my threads before.

sapdragon · June 2014

What enchantments do you use bro? Vorpal or PF?

crazymikee · June 2014

sapdragon wrote: »

What enchantments do you use bro? Vorpal or PF?

I used to use Plaguefire a lot but I switched it for a gvorpal because I've been noticing the damage bonus from vorpal a lot more, not to mention in open world plaguefire = death if someone has the cockatrice companion, and open world pvp is more fun in my opinion because it's definatly a fresh change from domination ;p

plaguefire has very good defence reduction
vorpal has very high critical bonus damage

Also if someone already has a plaguefire in your party (pvp or pve) then only one of them will be reducing defence, so one person is only getting the damage bonus, not the defence reduction

bucklittle · June 2014

The competitive scene in this game is nonexistant and any strategy and metagame that would exist in competitive play is completely undeveloped.

IF he's high on the leaderboards that's good enough for me.

crazymikee · June 2014

bucklittle wrote: »

The competitive scene in this game is nonexistant and any strategy and metagame that would exist in competitive play is completely undeveloped.

IF he's high on the leaderboards that's good enough for me.

I think it's just the people that are undeveloped. Most of them trash talk as a hobby and like to troll other people who atleast try to contribute in any way. (not talking about the guy who posted earlier)

The competative scene is basically who bought the most AD, I just tried to point people in the right direction with their characters setup from my personal experience

lazaroth666 · June 2014

crazymikee wrote: »

I think it's just the people that are undeveloped. Most of them trash talk as a hobby and like to troll other people who atleast try to contribute in any way. (not talking about the guy who posted earlier)

Crazy Mike's CW PvP Guide [Mod 3]

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