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hamletswords
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So, I'm currently sitting at a little over 13k gear score, but my stone companion adds over 1,500 stats (which I assume would put me over 14k gear score if it was added). It looks like I'll be at this GS for awhile as any meaningful upgrades are going to be pretty expensive.
If you were in the same situation, would you say "14k (class)" or "13k (class) + stone" when responding to lfg requests?
Do you think it's disingenuous to advertise yourself as 14k when you're GS says 13k, although you're over 14k with your equipped stone?
14k just sounds so much better than 13k+stone, IMO, and may make the difference in me getting parties or not.
How do you personally advertise your GS if you have a stone or cat?
If you were in the same situation, would you say "14k (class)" or "13k (class) + stone" when responding to lfg requests?
Do you think it's disingenuous to advertise yourself as 14k when you're GS says 13k, although you're over 14k with your equipped stone?
14k just sounds so much better than 13k+stone, IMO, and may make the difference in me getting parties or not.
How do you personally advertise your GS if you have a stone or cat?
My Harem: Dawn HR, Erin CW, Piper TR, Zoe GWF
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The only people who are going to care about your score. Are those who are going to judge you by it, fairly or unfairly. And trying to explain it to them will just be a waste of time.
-Any NW player.
That's probably true, but GS is all about stats, so your actual stats are what matters. It's basically a bug that companion-transferred stats aren't added into your GS. Hopefully it is just considered a bug like how hp-stats didn't transfer before, and they will get added and I can stop worrying about it.
If anything, I'm going to outperform someone sitting at straight 14k GS if they don't have a stat-companion because my stats with the companion-stats added in put me well over 14k (Not sure how they're translated exactly but it seems to be roughly 1 stat for 1 gs point).
Everyone cares. Unfortunately it's the only way to judge someone before partying with them, however unreliable it might be.
And it is unreliable- I just finished a CN today doing 1/3 more damage than a person of the same class with 2k higher GS, just because of the skills he chose to use and how he used them.
Plus, if you want to get groups, it's better to get 2 items from each set to get double the tier 2 bonus in stats to your GS, even though the full set bonus is probably going to increase your performance more (but it doesn't show up in GS).
Eh, a million or so AD is expensive for me. I just spent the last week or so farming up 500k AD for my epic mount.
And besides, once I do hit 14k, it's still going to be an issue of whether people consider it "OK" to advertise myself as "15k" or must it be "14k + stone".
There's this one experience recently doing Epic Spellplague with only 11k GS (have done all T2s with 10k GS legit back in beta), it was a very tedious and long run, including repeating the final boss fight numerous times for 2 hours. Basically it was a PUG from LFG channel, the team was carrying a 13k HR + Rare Stone while other than his 14k guildmate who is geared in epics, the others were more random. No epic gear on him, all blues, everything was spec offensively, dies to nearly anything in 1 hit. 2 hours repeat boss fight was the only time I came close to initiating a votekick. The 13k+stone HR always died pretty soon after the boss fight starts.
if u have 14-15k+ everyone knows to except a stone and g vorpal or plauge fire at least also charging gs is not always better idea then upgrade of weapon gems i have 14.9k and i went for p vorpal instead for 3.5 m more instead of 16k gs since p vorpal improves my damage by some 7% while i would not get so much from 1000 higher stats
+1. A lot of ppl care more about GS than anything.
Gear Score can only be used to ensure that someone isn't horribly undergeared for a dungeon. They can still be a liability even if they beat the required GS by many thousand points. Player skill and personality are far more important than a having a high semi-arbitrary number based on gear and (some) feats.
And that is the problem with looking at GS and damage stats.
They only look at 25% of the picture.
A CW with full HV gear is doing more for the group that someone wearing a mixture of T2.5 gear for the extra stats and 2 piece set bonuses. Once you are above 13k the diminishing returns on increased GS is not going to override a GOOD party damage increasing 4 piece set bonus like HV.
Likewise, personal damage don't tell the whole picture. Most of that is from huge crit numbers against adds that drop in 1 hit anyway.
Shorter answer: don't party with people who stipulate GS requirements. See above for reasons.
If you say 14k, people will think you're 14k + Stone, they will expect a grand total of 16k - 17k
When using the LFG channel (not in PE obviously as it is flooded by gold sellers) I do not mention my Stone nor my GS. If I did, I would feel like shouting that I have no skill.
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You have it wrong. It is not the gear score to blame. It is players who judge others entirely only on their gear. If it was not for the gear score then these players would come up with other ways to judge one another. Therefore taking away the gear score would make it worse.
The gear score then helps, because it gives players a unified measure and an orientation to improve their gear. In the end does it let us play together even with the most judgemental kids.
Hah! Citation very much needed, I think.
Taking everything about a player and their gear, throwing most of it away and summarising the rest (badly) as a single epeen number is a terrible mechanic, and absolutely is a negative influence on the game.
If you want to argue that truly judgemental mentalists would still find criteria to judge people, then...eh, maybe you have a point, but if the GS wasn't there, they could still manually inspect someone (which if you're that concerned about gearing, you should be presumably doing anyway), but they'd actually have to pay attention to what they're wearing and how they're set up, rather than simply going "nope, arbitrary number too low: GTFO".
Do this.
Anyone with half a brain (so you might be out of luck in /LFG) will realise that 13K + stone is actually as good or better than 14K...
Personally I never share my gear score when looking for a group. I simply state whether or not I know how to win the requested run already. 95% of the time I look in the /NW_Legit_Community group (see my signature block) rather than /lfg. Anyone interested in non-exploit, non-cheat game play should check that channel out. Not only do people there not care about your gear score, there are lots of people that will help you run things you need to build up your gear score.
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Problem is, most don't know/will only pay attention to the number.
I'd just say 14K, plain and simple.
Well I did mention a certain condition had to be met........
I have seen this in other games, too. It is just normal teenage behaviour... It is kids who want to be the elite. They even do it in school. "My Dad drives a BMW. What is your Dad driving?", and if your Dad is driving some cheap 2nd hand car guess what happens.
By the way, your intolerance towards the gear score is bad, too. Why will you not accept it? Do you not have enough GS or do you not know how to get it?
GS simply serves to make "being a pointless elitiist idiot" that much easier. It's like saying "want to dismiss people entirely out of hand without ever actually playing with them? We streamlined that for you in one (badly coded) number! YAY!".
We should not be making it easier for people to be idiots. Idiocy is common enough already.
Of course the correct response to any sort of GS-req LFG spam is 'to not party with those people', because frankly anyone who says "LF2M ToS 14K EXP ONLY" has neatly outed themselves as an idiot, and should thus be avoided.
GS shouldn't even be required for dungeon entry: dungeons can be done naked by a team of decent players. If I were coding it up, I'd simply make "has completed the previous dungeon" the prereq for getting into the next, starting at CT and ending with EDV/CN/VT/MC all at the top (because nobody should be forced to run EDV unless they really want to). This'd also have the bonus of making the crappier less-played dungeons like GWD get some air-time.
Low Gs= Nub
This is true most of the times. Although high gs doesn't always mean good player, low gs means a player who didn't farm enough to get better stuff. Also a 14k+ gs party can hardly fail and can do runs very fast.
Aren't those fun?
I ran through with my CW, and a TR, GWF, GF & DC. GWF, GF & DC all die before the first transition. TR & I finish the boss fight.
Make it into the dungeon before you were gone.
And high GS makes things GO FASTER. I have no doubt that a lot of you can clear these things with any GS, but as a PvPer I want in done with as fast as possible. That is a lot of the reason that people judge on gear score, speed.
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