Bwahaha. Lockboxes are probably <2% return on investment. At least Las Vegas slot machines are >98%.
I'm sure Cryptic thanks you for your "contribution." :rolleyes:
Hey guys, as you can see from title I have really bad luck.
I've opened over 40 Lockboxes in past 3 months (15 are from yesterday and today) and got no epic mount or companion.
Several of my friends got them with 2, 3 boxes max.
So I wonder, what are the odds to get mount or companion from lockbox in %? :eek:
40 Lockboxes with no epic mount or companion is not really bad luck. Anybody who gets either within 2 or 3 boxes just has incredibly (emphasis on incredibly) superb luck.
40 Lockboxes is nuthin. Most people don't get epic mounts or companions until after several hundred lockboxes.
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pers3phoneBanned Users, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited November 2013
Just watched a clip of one guy opening 52 in 10 minutes or so and didn't get them so yeah.
How to get an epic mount from a lockbox, in two easy steps.
Step 1. Take the $40 in Zen, that you would of spent on keys and convert to AD.
Step 2. Use new pile of AD to purchase mount of your choice from the Auction house. For a listed price you can see and with zero chance of poor luck having an effect.
At present exchange rate. The cash spent to open those 40 boxes would of gotten you enough AD to purchase an Owlbear off the AH. And you would still have a few hundred thousand AD left over.
Opening boxes, just to get the companion or mount, is a suckers bet.
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commanderkahlainMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited November 2013
Lockboxes are more useful when you have a large stable of alts, of several different classes: It's more likely you will be able to use whatever you get on one of them. This seems to be true on the other PW games I have played.
Best way to think of Lockboxes is like lottery scratch offs: only buy keys if you have some gaming money really, really burning a hole in your pocket. AND there is really nothing you want to buy with AD. Like Sockmonkey says, if you are after something specific, go with AD every time.
If your really want an epic mount I suggest buying one on the zen market because its shared across all characters. If you just want the pet/mount in that specific box then your pretty much gambling (which isnt known for paying off). The chance to get either is pretty low, I would say around 1 or 2%
lol 40 boxes is nothing... I opened 200+ and still not gotten any of the epics... Like the forest lockboxes though, think u get and average return of ur ad spend(if u convert ad to zen) on close to 90% so thats not to bad..
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khimera906Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 898Arc User
edited November 2013
You are not unlucky, it's just that your friends had really, really, amazingly good luck. I think I opened around 40 boxes myself, but I knew what I was getting myself into. Got some useful stuff from them, so no hard feelings. Plus gambling isn't really my thing.
If you want a mount just buy one from the AH it will save you a lot of AD and a lot of headaches.
I hate dancing with Lady Luck. She always steps on my toes.
Someone recommended just spending the money you would have spent on keys on AD instead, then buying a mount or companion from the AH. This is good advice.
I opened about 15 lockboxes before I came to the same conclusion. Although, I did get a pseudodragon on the very first one I opened, but it's just a cash drain most of the time - buy the diamonds and go to the AH as this guy says...
Like the forest lockboxes though, think u get and average return of ur ad spend(if u convert ad to zen) on close to 90% so thats not to bad..
Really? I am not being sarcastic here. I haven't looked at the Dark Forest lockboxes since the day they came out because I thought they were total losers. Maybe the value of the items increased, but last time I checked the AH almost everything that came out of those boxes sold for less than the price of the key and the only good items were the idol, trade bar jackpot, mount, and dragon. The professional pack's items sell for almost nothing, all of the enchantments from the Alluring Elven Box are junk, and the Enchantment boxes no longer drop coal wards so they are usually a loss. I would think you would see a 50 - 65% loss in AD if you open a lot of these lockboxes and do not get a Owlbear or dragon.
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xhritMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited November 2013
Last night I bought a pack of 10 keys for 425k AD. Had not opened any dark forest lockboxes before.
that's going to mean nothing to people that have never played champions online. if you want to assume that percentages there are the same for neverwinter, you'll have to at least give a little detail about what the top items are in champions. however even if you do that, it's still an assumption and has no factual backing whatsoever.
I gave up trying to get a mount from the boxes, after many dissapointments.
I used the Tarm bars I got from the boxes, to buy a blue Pharaoh Steed instead. :cool:
Really? I am not being sarcastic here. I haven't looked at the Dark Forest lockboxes since the day they came out because I thought they were total losers. Maybe the value of the items increased, but last time I checked the AH almost everything that came out of those boxes sold for less than the price of the key and the only good items were the idol, trade bar jackpot, mount, and dragon. The professional pack's items sell for almost nothing, all of the enchantments from the Alluring Elven Box are junk, and the Enchantment boxes no longer drop coal wards so they are usually a loss. I would think you would see a 50 - 65% loss in AD if you open a lot of these lockboxes and do not get a Owlbear or dragon.
The trick is not to open the items u get out of the box, weapon and artificer pack Sells for around 35k, alluring box is 15-20k, and weapon packs usually go for 25k(was up to 40k last week for some reason)... Besides that u also get 3-4k worth of ad in the bars u get with each pack... So not to shabby all in all:)
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khimera906Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 898Arc User
...The professional pack's items sell for almost nothing,...
You can't really judge the value of those assets based on the current prices in the AH. Think how cheap the Leadership assets used to be and hoe expensive they are now. That's because we used to get them in Nightmare Lockboxes. When we're not going to get Artificing and Weaponsmithing assets from the Lockboxes their price is going to increase a lot.
I hate dancing with Lady Luck. She always steps on my toes.
You're bound to get a whole lot of idols and awesome enchantment. Sell the ones you don't want, for a reasonable quick sale price, and turn in the idols. I bought a Lillend that way, and a Pseudodragon. Watch the market and wait for a time when prices drop; of course patience comes into play here.
How to get an epic mount from a lockbox, in two easy steps.
Step 1. Take the $40 in Zen, that you would of spent on keys and convert to AD.
Step 2. Use new pile of AD to purchase mount of your choice from the Auction house. For a listed price you can see and with zero chance of poor luck having an effect.
At present exchange rate. The cash spent to open those 40 boxes would of gotten you enough AD to purchase an Owlbear off the AH. And you would still have a few hundred thousand AD left over.
Opening boxes, just to get the companion or mount, is a suckers bet.
Exactly how do you think the mounts that get posted on the auction house got there?
Exactly how do you think the mounts that get posted on the auction house got there?
Farmers and profiteers. There is a large number of folks who open boxes expecting more then just one single item. They can make a profit, or at least break even, by harvesting and selling everything that comes out of the box. They also, typically, have the resources to open the boxes in significant quantity to work the odds.
This is far different from the average person who might open a box hoping for a singular rare drop. Those people are far less likley to win and as such less likely to offer said prize for sale on the AH.
RNG is a fabulous thing really.
- opened 2 Wauken top tier boxes and got cloak and pantaloons;
- opened three Inferno boxes and got mount;
- opened 40+ Feywild boxes and got ****
I know a guy who opened 300 and didnt get a pet or mount. He posted on here about it somewhere but i cant find it. He never paid $ though, all his keys he bought with ad, ad he made from playing the ah and farming cn. But it gives you some idea of why its such good advice to buy w/e from ah rather than gamble with $ and get nothing.
In truth I HATE lock boxes its the ONLY thing I don't really like about this game, but i feel the same way, if the pets and mounts would be account bound i say I go for a few, then again I just buy them in the AH, its cheaper in a sense.
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khimera906Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 898Arc User
edited November 2013
The thing about Lockboxes is that you don't have to open them. You can chose to, but you're not forced into it. The game is completely and perfectly playable without opening any Lockboxes.
I hate dancing with Lady Luck. She always steps on my toes.
Hey guys, as you can see from title I have really bad luck.
I've opened over 40 Lockboxes in past 3 months (15 are from yesterday and today) and got no epic mount or companion.
Several of my friends got them with 2, 3 boxes max.
So I wonder, what are the odds to get mount or companion from lockbox in %? :eek:
This is typical of most box systems. The only time I've ever seen an improved system is when a game offers free boxes inside the game that have the current drop rate you are seeing and they sell boxes that have an improved drop rate. That way people will have a slightly easier time getting the items without spending so much money.
It works out well in the end and you end up with fewer complaints.
RNG has never been a good system to rely on anyways and more and more games are seeing that especially when the RNG items can't be sold that's like the worst system out there.
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I'm sure Cryptic thanks you for your "contribution." :rolleyes:
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40 Lockboxes with no epic mount or companion is not really bad luck. Anybody who gets either within 2 or 3 boxes just has incredibly (emphasis on incredibly) superb luck.
40 Lockboxes is nuthin. Most people don't get epic mounts or companions until after several hundred lockboxes.
Step 1. Take the $40 in Zen, that you would of spent on keys and convert to AD.
Step 2. Use new pile of AD to purchase mount of your choice from the Auction house. For a listed price you can see and with zero chance of poor luck having an effect.
At present exchange rate. The cash spent to open those 40 boxes would of gotten you enough AD to purchase an Owlbear off the AH. And you would still have a few hundred thousand AD left over.
Opening boxes, just to get the companion or mount, is a suckers bet.
Best way to think of Lockboxes is like lottery scratch offs: only buy keys if you have some gaming money really, really burning a hole in your pocket. AND there is really nothing you want to buy with AD. Like Sockmonkey says, if you are after something specific, go with AD every time.
If you want a mount just buy one from the AH it will save you a lot of AD and a lot of headaches.
Cheers
Calvin
I opened about 15 lockboxes before I came to the same conclusion. Although, I did get a pseudodragon on the very first one I opened, but it's just a cash drain most of the time - buy the diamonds and go to the AH as this guy says...
Really? I am not being sarcastic here. I haven't looked at the Dark Forest lockboxes since the day they came out because I thought they were total losers. Maybe the value of the items increased, but last time I checked the AH almost everything that came out of those boxes sold for less than the price of the key and the only good items were the idol, trade bar jackpot, mount, and dragon. The professional pack's items sell for almost nothing, all of the enchantments from the Alluring Elven Box are junk, and the Enchantment boxes no longer drop coal wards so they are usually a loss. I would think you would see a 50 - 65% loss in AD if you open a lot of these lockboxes and do not get a Owlbear or dragon.
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that's going to mean nothing to people that have never played champions online. if you want to assume that percentages there are the same for neverwinter, you'll have to at least give a little detail about what the top items are in champions. however even if you do that, it's still an assumption and has no factual backing whatsoever.
I used the Tarm bars I got from the boxes, to buy a blue Pharaoh Steed instead. :cool:
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The trick is not to open the items u get out of the box, weapon and artificer pack Sells for around 35k, alluring box is 15-20k, and weapon packs usually go for 25k(was up to 40k last week for some reason)... Besides that u also get 3-4k worth of ad in the bars u get with each pack... So not to shabby all in all:)
Oh well though, just wanted normal inferno nightmare from tarmalune vendor.
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Exactly how do you think the mounts that get posted on the auction house got there?
Farmers and profiteers. There is a large number of folks who open boxes expecting more then just one single item. They can make a profit, or at least break even, by harvesting and selling everything that comes out of the box. They also, typically, have the resources to open the boxes in significant quantity to work the odds.
This is far different from the average person who might open a box hoping for a singular rare drop. Those people are far less likley to win and as such less likely to offer said prize for sale on the AH.
- opened 2 Wauken top tier boxes and got cloak and pantaloons;
- opened three Inferno boxes and got mount;
- opened 40+ Feywild boxes and got ****
This is typical of most box systems. The only time I've ever seen an improved system is when a game offers free boxes inside the game that have the current drop rate you are seeing and they sell boxes that have an improved drop rate. That way people will have a slightly easier time getting the items without spending so much money.
It works out well in the end and you end up with fewer complaints.
RNG has never been a good system to rely on anyways and more and more games are seeing that especially when the RNG items can't be sold that's like the worst system out there.